Permanent SMP disaster repaired by Shapiro Medical Group Trico/FUE combo

[lorenzo]

Hairingiscaring.

I do not think you will get a response.

[HairingIsCaring]

Do ya think?

[HairingIsCaring]

I never said the result would not be great. I meant nobody can or should not guarantee that it will not fade quickly or change colors. Everyone skins reacts differently even if it is only a small percentage.

 

I think one of the main characteristics of a "Great" treatment result is Longevity. If the smp results fade within the first year, they are not "Great" results. If the color of the pigments change, the treatment results are not "Great." I feel this is the consensus among most providers as well as clients.

 

I helped an italian patient that told me he had SMP 3 months earlier. I saw it and he said it completely disappears within 4-6 weeks. His friend who had it done right after him it still looks great after 3 months. Why is this? Is it because they did it differently or his skin absorbed it quicker. Both had SMP from same tech, same instrument, same ink, two hours apart on both days.

Yes, i agree there are some factors that may contribute to results fading quicker than others like a person's immune system, but you must understand that this is an EXTREMELY RARE occurrence if the treatment is done correctly by a skilled technician who has used the proper tools, method and pigments.

 

Some clients may require an extra treatment or two, but If an individual has to repeatedly make return visits to clinic for additional session- after- session -after- session because of fading they are either a member of a very small percentage of individuals, or the clinic is not doing the treatment properly. 9 times out of 10 it is the latter. (speaking of permanent smp of course not tricopigmentation where fading is expected and desired)

 

Hairingiscaring.

I do not think you will get a response.

 

The reason Shapiro is not responding is that he knows all of the information I have presented is Factual. He knows that this information raises questions and suspicions about certain claims he has made against GLI on this thread and he is unable to refute the facts I have posted.

I did not think I would see a quality clinic like Shapiro get involved in competition bashing through the use of fabrications like the "story" that "Mmac6804" has posted but it seems not too many clinics are above this kind of deceit.

[HairingIsCaring]

Shapiro med's temporary smp specialist Nicole Large actually worked for the very same clinic~GLI~ that she is making false claims against on this thread. She began her employment with GLI ONE MONTH AFTER "mmac6804" supposedly received such a horrific smp treatment from them.....convenient timeline for this fable, no?:rolleyes:

 

Below is her LinkedIn profile which she has removed her photo from

[BHilt]

Incredible treatment. Mmac6804 could you post updated photos now it has had time to settle down?

[Bill - Seemiller]

HairingisCaring,

 

I feel the need to chime in here because it's obvious that this is an agenda driven post with intent to smear Dr. Shapiro's hard earned reputation. I don't know if you represent GLI or just have way too much time on your hands, but other than launching a smear campaign, I see absolutely no purpose to any of your posts.

 

For starters, where are you getting the information that Nicole started working for GLI in 2012 and as late as 2013? And even if that is true, what does that have to do with Dr. Ron Shapiro's procedure today?

 

Dr. Shapiro already stated that he was trying to learn the procedure. Perhaps (and I am speculating here), Nicole was unhappy at GLI and decided to start working with Dr. Ron Shapiro, worked with and trained with him at the various places to improve upon the SMP procedure over the last several years and they're now offering a superior service today.

 

So what does it matter if Nicole was or was not employed by GLI in 2012 at the time of MMAC's procedure? The point is, he was unhappy with his experience and result there and is now happy with the result he achieved at SMG.

 

You say you just have "questions" for Ron Shapiro. Then why not send him a private message? And you aren't asking questions, you are making statements and judgments, including ones that attempt to (foolishly I might add) dispute statements he's already responded to.

 

For instance, Dr. Shapiro already addressed the fact that he asked GLI not to use his photo. Your argument is that he must be "ok" with it because he didn't file a lawsuit. That's foolishness. Not everyone files lawsuits just because someone doesn't honor their request. Dr. Shapiro is exceptionally busy and has better things to do with his time and money than worry about whether or not someone is using a photo to advance their practice. Just because he didn't file a lawsuit (which I'm only assuming he didn't) doesn't mean that he supports them using his photo.

 

I will be speaking with Ron Shapiro about this situation later today and will get a better understanding of the timeline as you call it. In the meantime, I suggest having the courage to identify yourself (first and last name, city, state and place of employment) so that we have a better understanding of your interest and alleged knowledge of this topic.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[mmac6804]

I will post updated pics. I am very pleased with the results and very pleased the way I was treated by SMG. They took me in and treated me with the most respect and professionalism than I could imagine. I continue to see improvement and looking forward to wrapping both treatments (FUE and SMP) all up and be a finished client.

[HairingIsCaring]

I will post updated pics. I am very pleased with the results and very pleased the way I was treated by SMG. They took me in and treated me with the most respect and professionalism than I could imagine. I continue to see improvement and looking forward to wrapping both treatments (FUE and SMP) all up and be a finished client.

 

Hi Mmac6804:

 

1) Who was your technician at GLI?

 

2) When you decided to go to SMG for your repair were you aware that their Micropigmentation Specialist was a former technician for the very same provider who messed up your treatment?

 

3) Did you file a complaint against GLI with the Better Business Bureau?

 

4) How was your New Year?

Edited January 3, 2017 by HairingIsCaring

[NicH0le007]

MMac, who was your technician when you went to Good Look Ink in 2012

 

She began working for Good Look Ink during the summer of 2012, the same time period MMac claims to have received treatment from GLI.

 

 

 

Hello HairingisCaring,

 

Thank you for your questions. However, I don't believe the patient, Dr. Shapiro, nor myself mentioned that Mac went to GLI for his procedures. I also reviewed all of Mac's older posts and he never once mentioned GLI by name. You have come out with both barrels blazing with a list of questions directed toward Dr. Shapiro and myself as well as Mac to put Mac's experience and our motives into doubt. Assumptions are one thing but you have prevented assumptions from being a part of your questions and have carried on as if you know where Mac went specifically. You appear to be anxious to discuss the facts so how do you explain this fact? No one mentioned GLI by name so why is it that you are asking specific questions about GLI and their supposed involvement in this case?

 

With regards to the dates of my employment with SMG, I can hardly imagine what the specifics of this represent. In order to remove any questions I will be glad to clarify the facts. First, Dr. Shapiro did not have the dates exactly right because he was traveling when he posted and didn't double check the specific dates. This shouldn't really be an issue but you seem to think it is so, as a correction, I started working at GLI in July 2012 and left in May 2013. At the time of my hire I was an administrative assistant and it was not until about five months later that I began my SMP training. My hire date and my SMP training date remove any possibility of me being Mac's technician during his procedures. I did however meet Mac while I was at GLI since I was in charge of communicating with patients after their treatments.

 

When I returned to Minneapolis at the end of summer 2013 I wrote to Dr. Shapiro and explained my situation. I asked if he would consider hiring me. He had just finished his own training with Beauty Medical in Tricopigmentation. We talked and he liked the fact that I had sought training at my own expense. He felt that I was ethical and cared about patients, and he liked my eagerness to learn new things. With respect to my previous SMP experience, he felt that it was beneficial to some degree that I had seen negative results as it made me more aware of what not to do, and the problems that could exist when SMP is performed incorrectly. He eventually sent me to Italy to get more training from Milena Lardi personally. Since then I have also traveled to England to have additional training with HIS Hair and Brandwood clinic. This has only added to my overall knowledge and experience with multiple forms of SMP and the methodologies used to administer them. At this time I am a very well rounded SMP technician due to the various trainings I've gone through and the disciplines I've learned. It has allowed me to learn much more than I imagined was possible before I started working at SMG.

 

So that is the factual unfolding of my SMP experience, both before I arrived at SMG and since. I'll be honest, I'm a little worried about your line of questioning and the determination you've shown to get more information about me. It is unusual that you felt so strongly about this issue that you announced my full name to the entire forum community. Also, interesting that you think you even have the right to question details of my employment. Why do you care and why would any non-provider care why Dr. Shapiro hired me? This is what it feels like to be stalked, which I do not appreciate, and quite frankly this is making me feel uneasy.

 

**It should be noted that today GLI is now under new ownership and operation and my experience is not a reflection of the current management and ownership at GLI.

[Bald36]

What is the accusation? I see a patient that was helped and is happy and someone saying it's interesting to see a photo of Dr. Shapiro at a clinic and that Nicole once worked where the patient went for his old work five years ago. I don't see what the big deal is. I think the idea of FUE and SMP combined is interesting.

[caseygeorge]

To be fair, he confronted some of your contradictions, which you ignored. And I would hope as a provider you would know that people have easy access to your full name and your employment history. I'm surprised you were offended he asked you. I would think every provider here would want to openly disclose that without even being asked, so I'm glad you did because that increases your credibility.

 

So, as an unbiased party, the stalker accusation did seem extreme. I'm a potential client and every time I read this board I get more and more wary of this industry. On paper, it seems like an innovative solution, but it seems just wild out there. The cancer thing especially freaks me out and I don't know if it's true that anyone has concrete evidence of its longer term effects.

[HairingIsCaring]

Oh boy....LOL....if anyone ever doubted the professionalism of those involved in the SMP industry then I suggest taking a look at Nicole's previous post...

 

Wow, you are getting desperate and showing your true colors now, sorry your feelings got hurt...

 

At least you are behaving in a mature manner though

 

The counting thing is cute, but it looks as though your "reading comprehension game" isn't on point

 

I broke it down for you, step by step what I googled, and even posted a photo of my search results....and then you tell me I googled the wrong thing and that I cannot count b/c there are 4 providers in Minneapolis...LOL, ahh the logically deficient and their brilliant reasoning skills.

 

I did not Google "Minneapolis smp providers", I googled "Minneapolis SMP Hair Peace", so I did not miscount....

 

Looks like you are just angry that I proved how easy it was to find that gli was the Minneapolis provider who used "hair peace" as a slogan. So basically, your little theory of me being a Minneapolis resident (along w/ obvious implications) was ruined.

 

But you are absolutely correct, i just checked and there are other providers in that city.....I just did not know about them b/c I do not work in the smp industry and do not live there.

The only two providers I knew of were gli and smg. But I was wrong.

 

But the question was:

You never answered my question of how you would know what GLI's slogan in a local commercial was in 2012. Do you live in Minneapolis or did you in 2012? How else would you know this?

 

And my answer was:

 

Step by step Instructions on manually discovering Provider in Question:

1) I read "Mmac's" post

 

2) I TYPED "MINNEAPOLIS SMP HAIR PEACE" INTO GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE AND POOF: GOOD LOOK INK POPPED UP.

 

3) I CLICKED ON THE LINKS, WENT TO GLI SITE, AND CONFIRMED THAT "HAIR PEACE" WAS A GLI SLOGAN

 

So for you to say that I must have lived in Minneapolis to know that "hair peace" was their slogan makes you look very Naive, ignorant, and foolish.

I have taken the liberty of posting "Google Search Findings" of the Great GLI "Hair Peace" Investigation

Please see the attached files that show this slogan on their website.

 

So I encourage you to, once again, follow these 3 easy steps and re-visit the first image attached. Then you should maybe watch that cute little video you posted, applying what you learn from it of course, and count how many providers (in the first image) come up from the google search ("Minneapolis SMP Hair Peace") who use the slogan "hair peace".

 

Awesome sweetheart, Good Job! We'll work on colors and shapes next week

 

Feels like we are going around in circles and you are giving no evidence that "Mmac" 's claims are legit so unless you are able to do so, or unless "Mmac" cares to answer these questions:

Hi Mmac6804:

1) Who was your technician at GLI?

2) When you decided to go to SMG for your repair were you aware that their Micropigmentation Specialist was a former technician for the very same provider who messed up your treatment?

3) Did you file a complaint against GLI with the Better Business Bureau?

4) How was your New Year?

 

......then I see no point in furthering this discussion.

Edited January 10, 2017 by HairingIsCaring

[Bald36]

Agreed. I was about to post to say that my original questions to Hairingiscaring weren't answered but it seems at this point he is more concerned about a victory rather than getting to the truth, whatever the truth is.

 

I still don't know what the actual problem is. Is he saying that mmac isn't a real poster? If it turns out that he is then Hairingiscaring owes Nicole a big apology.

[Bald36]

Agreed. I was about to post to say that my original questions to Hairingiscaring weren't answered but it seems at this point he is more concerned about a victory rather than getting to the truth, whatever the truth is.

 

I still don't know what the actual problem is. Is he saying that mmac isn't a real poster? If it turns out that he is then Hairingiscaring owes Nicole a big apology.

[home1212]

read your story and really felt your pain through your words, so sorry for all you had to go thru, but remember the struggles and hard times are what make us stronger, I hope you've found some inner peace with your renewed natural look, I think SMG did an outstanding job for you, best of luck to you and thanks for sharing your story, I think while your pain is not unique to hair loss sufferers, we certainly understand and empathize.

[mmac6804]

I don't appreciate my story being turned into something ugly like this. I have suffered more than I have shared with this thread, and the folks at Shapiro Medical Group are the ONLY people that helped." They have stuck with me when the other wanted nothing more to do with me. They didn't even want to correct it in the right professional manner.

 

SMG continues to stay in touch and continues to strive for excellence to be sure I am happy and comfortable with myself and appearance. This has been almost 5 years, yes almost 5 years of recovering.

 

I will repeat, I don't want my story or my experience turned to an ugly topic of conversation.

[Spanker]

This really is bad that OPs thread turned into this. I'm a, little surprised that the admins have let this go on this long.

 

I've long been a proponent for open transparency and debate, however, I see no use for what this thread has become.

 

This case is very important. I don't think OP is alone in bad SMP work and what SMG has done here should be seen without having to wade through all of this.

[mmac6804]

1) Who was your technician at GLI?

 

I can say, with 100% honesty, that Nicole had nothing to do with any SMP procedures. I had before my repair with SMG.

 

2) When you decided to go to SMG for your repair were you aware that their Micropigmentation Specialist was a former technician for the very same provider who messed up your treatment?

 

I knew who Nicole was and had met her before I set foot in SMG. She has, from the start, been very kind, educational, and helpful to me.

 

3) Did you file a complaint against GLI with the Better Business Bureau?

 

I have never filed a complaint against anyone with the BBB. The BBB has no authority and they have no power.

 

4) How was your New Year?

 

Great, yours?

[Bill - Seemiller]

HairingisCaring,

 

I have temporarily locked this topic so that I can evaluate the latest responses from you, which by quickly skimming, I don't see any attempt from you to answer my questions. I also see very criticizing and damning comments from you despite Shapiro Medical Group's very sound and logical responses to your questions. The entire timeline has been completely cleared up and yet you are still questioning their integrity, which I find to be quite alarming considering their outstanding reputation. Moreover, your posts sound a lot like a disgruntled competitor rather than a legitimate party interested in having questions answered.

 

I will read through the responses thoroughly before making a final decision. But as of now, my initial gut feeling is that you are a disgruntled competitor with an agenda against SMG and even if I can't prove you are a competitor, I will be taking action based on your responses and whether or not you've been logical in responding to SMG's logical responses, which I feel has cleared up any confusion about Nicole and Dr. Shapiro's working relationship and Nicole's previous employment.

 

I will be responding again shortly.

 

Bill

[Bill - Seemiller]

HairingisCaring,

 

Honestly, I got through about 2 of your rants and decided enough is enough. You've purposely ignored my request and are acting as if you're some kind of authority here claiming to "expose fake accounts". I am the Managing Publisher here and you don't get to ignore my requests. Simply put, when you are asked to do something by a moderator or a publisher, you either honor that request or you lose your posting privileges. I find your constant badgering of Nicole and SMG inappropriate and annoying and frankly, I think the community as a whole has had just about enough of you.

 

What saddens me the most is that this topic went way off track as MMAC was trying to showcase his excellent results and experience. He deserves the attention on this topic. I initially allowed some initial questioning of the clinic, which I will keep along with 'HairingisCaring's" initial questions and Dr. Shapiro's and Nicole's responses - but only up until the point where Nicole provided all the answers to the questions that then after turned into a blatant attack. Unacceptable. And on a personal note...get a life!

 

Onwards and Upwards,

 

Bill

[Bill - Seemiller]

Members,

 

This topic is now open for discussion and should be reserved to discuss MMAC's results, nothing more. Nicole already did a great job answering all the questions and handled the subsequent attacks like a real professional.

 

I also want to be real clear on this. Our community has no problem with members asking legitimate questions. At first, I even wanted to know the answers to some of "HairingisCaring's" questions. Mind you, his approach conveyed evidence that he had an agenda, but I was willing to let it go in the interest of free speech and getting answers. But once Dr. Ron Shapiro and Nicole answered every question and cleared up any misunderstandings, HairingisCaring became very provocative and blatantly harassing.

 

I did leave his initial questions and all posts up until Nicole's response where she cleared up all misunderstandings. But all posts related to "HairingisCaring's" rants have been removed. Furthermore, "HairingisCaring" has lost his posting privileges and can no longer post here.

 

For the record, nobody gets to ignore a moderators request. If one of us ask a member to respond to something, we expect a response. Failure to respond will likely result in a termination of posting privileges.

 

Now let's get this topic back on track :-).

 

Truly Onwards and Upwards,

 

Bill