Dr. Alan Feller Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 This patient told me he got the corners of his hairline done for free. Does it look ok to you, or do you see some issues? Try and guess how many grafts he got. Look at the close up before you answer. Dr. Feller Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplants Great Neck, NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member johnny2000 Posted December 21, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2015 This patient told me he got the corners of his hairline done for free. Does it look ok to you, or do you see some issues? Try and guess how many grafts he got. Look at the close up before you answer. Dr. Feller Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplants Great Neck, NY I dont Think i would be happy with that result. I would say it look alot worse irl than on the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member home1212 Posted December 21, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2015 he was trying to get the recessions filled in at the temple area, unfortunately the result looks pluggy and some of the grafts and skin seem to have risen - is that pitting?? maybe 200-500 grafts on one side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member newbie33 Posted December 22, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted December 22, 2015 Difficult to guess from that pic, and without any before shots, so there's a lot of assumption going into this. However, like all good maths students who know they've got the answer wrong, I'm going to show my workings out and hope to get a point for it. His hairline looks to have been in a V shape and they've tried to fill in the recession, making it more into a U shape, but not quite got the hairline right (leaving a slightly pronounced widow's peak - giving a sort of W shape) and the grafts haven't all taken, especially as it nears the temporal peak. (Please see technical drawing 1 for an illustration). If that is the case, I'd estimate it's an area of around 10-12 cm2 that they've tried to fill on both sides. At the hairline, let's say they're aiming for about 45 grafts per square centimeter. So, 12 x 2 = 24 square centimeters x 45 grafts = 1080. But, let's make another assumption that this is fue and they may have gone higher, knowing the rate of non-growth would be higher (and also make an assumption that this is what you're trying to show). So let's say 55 grafts per centimeter on average, making it around 1,300 grafts. On the face of it, looking at the picture, I'd say the growth is about 30-35 grafts per cm2 tops and in some places it approaches nil. So let's say an average of 25 grafts over the area of 24 cm = 600. So the guy's had over 1,300 grafts but barely half of them have grown. He's got an unnatural hairline, with patches of no growth, and some hairs are growing at an odd angle. In the UK, this would get me an A* at GCSE. It's all here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181125-ive-read-entire-forum-so-you-dont-have.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Blake Bloxham Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Newbie, Very impressive analysis. I would have given you an "A" for that! And, as usual, interesting answers from the general community as well. Any other thoughts on issues or estimates of graft numbers?? Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network. Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center. Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles. Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation. Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hairsearch21 Posted December 29, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted December 29, 2015 I think he got MUCH more grafts. Its a "failed" dens packing. Because the gaps between the hairs are significant on some places and on some the hair seems denser. So i would say 1700grafts in total but only 60% growth. Its not a total failure... Bevause no money involved and the direction of the hair seems correct (the angles). But the grafts are gone... Just my "view". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Blake Bloxham Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Hairsearch, Very interesting. So you think he received a dense pack but the growth yield was poor opposed to it being a low density transplant with good growth? What makes you think this? Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network. Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center. Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles. Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation. Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mav23100gunther Posted January 5, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2016 So gentlemen, what is the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spanker Posted January 5, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah, 2 weeks is too long to keep us in suspense. I am an online representative for Dr. Raymond Konior who is an elite member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. View Dr. Konior's Website View Spanker's Website I am not a medical professional and my opinions should not be taken as medical advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Stig Posted January 5, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2016 I give it o Feller, he is a savy businessman. He certainly uses this forum well. Now I am also curious to know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member newbie33 Posted January 12, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 12, 2016 So, Dr Feller, what is the answer.... It's all here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181125-ive-read-entire-forum-so-you-dont-have.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairJo Posted January 14, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 14, 2016 To me I'd say he gt about 1400 grafts very large pluggy looking grafts. For free I'd say at least he has a base to work with and do another procedure and fill it in but then again with one great procedure he would have not wasted his donor area. To me he has no choice but to do another procedure to fix it so you never get anything for free. Cheap is expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Blake Bloxham Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 1,400, huh? Not a bad estimate. Newbie: we'll announce it tomorrow. May be trickier than you think! Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network. Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center. Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles. Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation. Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Stig Posted January 16, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 16, 2016 1,400, huh? Not a bad estimate. Newbie: we'll announce it tomorrow. May be trickier than you think! So almost 1 month later and still no answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mav23100gunther Posted January 22, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 22, 2016 Any answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairJo Posted January 22, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 22, 2016 I want to know too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mick50 Posted January 23, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) What does this non rely from Dr Feller tell you? I will explain it, it puts in context quite clearly the professor's dilemma, he asked could Dr Feller do the transplant as he understood he would be doing in the first place, but no Dr feller refused , the same arrogant attitude is here , he will reply when he's he good and ready so feck you, any other Doc who started this thread would have enlightened us by now now not that it was a particularly interesting thread to begin with, but hey there's no such thing as bad publicity Edited January 23, 2016 by Mick50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Blake Bloxham Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Hi everybody, Sorry for the delay. I'll go ahead and answer this one. So Dr Feller's original post said: "This patient had his corners done for free. Was it worth it?" Well, they were definitely free because, believe it or not, this is the patients own natural hair. He did NOT have any transplants done in this region. I know what you're thinking. And we were thinking the same thing. When first evaluating this patient before surgery (for work in his midscalp) we looked at the hairline and asked who did the work. He laughed and said that it was his own natural hair and he never had a transplant before. However, he had been on several consultations and asked the same question each time. It turns out he has rosacea, and his dermatologist told him that this is what caused the slight "tenting" look at the base of the hair shaft -- which is why it looks like a transplant. So a bit of a "trick" question, but we thought it was interesting (and it even fooled us a little too). However, we're happy to report that this patient is now around 5 months out from his mid-scalp transplant and growing nicely. Has anyone ever heard about this phenomenon with rosacea or any other skin condition before? Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network. Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center. Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles. Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation. Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member newbie33 Posted January 31, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted January 31, 2016 Thanks for the answer Blake. I've heard/seen rosacea before. Always thought, as the name suggests, it would appear more red and pronounced than that. Reminds me of the (no doubt unfair) joke about the ease of being dermatologist too: Thirty conditions - only two creams. It's all here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181125-ive-read-entire-forum-so-you-dont-have.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Blake Bloxham Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Newbie, Generally, it does create more of a raw, reddish type of appearance in the skin on the face. Most frequently around the cheeks and nose. However, apparently it can present this way as well. Pretty interesting! And yes, we've definitely heard the dermatology jokes too! Hope you guys enjoyed the thread. We'll post another "quiz" type question/thread soon. Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network. Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center. Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles. Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation. Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member bunsenburner Posted February 10, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2016 Interesting presentation. Thank you for sharing. Research, research, research! Doctors I'm considering: FUT: -Feller -Hasson -Konior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairJo Posted February 11, 2016 Senior Member Share Posted February 11, 2016 All great choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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