amoore1981 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Hello everyone, long time lurker, first time poster. Had my FUE one week ago and received 1,290 grafts in the hairline to fix the recession. Healing has been going quite nicely, but I am concerned about density. I have researched a ton and looked at many pictures online, and I have a feeling that my grafts aren't as dense as they could be. I emailed my doctor to ask how many grafts per cm2 he placed and am awaiting his reply. What do you think? I realize it is way too early to know how anything will turn out, and that there is a psychological aspect to this process, but I can't shake the feeling that the grafts could have been more tightly packed. Pictures below. P.S. - Because of the nature of my question and that I openly admit I may be psyching myself out, I will not yet name my doctor. And to be clear, I signed off on the number of grafts, and after the procedure, looked at the completed product and signed off on it. So if there is something wrong here, I am partly to blame. Thanks for your help, fellas. **EDIT** Not sure what I did but my photos uploaded upside down or rotated at an odd angle. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member refuse2lose Posted December 15, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted December 15, 2014 On first glance they do seem to be spaced out a bit. You had a similar pattern that I had, but the doc told me I needed 2000 grafts. Once it finishes growing and you can evaluate it, you can always do another procedure to increase density. Did the doc suggest only 1290 or was that what your target was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 The doctor suggested around 1200 and we ended up with 1290. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member stinger99 Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 Looks too spaced out to me for hairline, but u will need to wait it out to see how it grows out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSA Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 no offense but that looks terrible! who is ur HT surgeon so the rest of us can avoid him. I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen FUE thats looks like old plugs. those are spaced WAY to far apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member densedream Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 Sorry to say but this is going to turn out bad and not match the hair behind the transplant. I guarantee that the doctor who did this is not recommended on this website. Start saving for another transplant after one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rawkerboi Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not upto the mark! Its so spaced out! Anyways wish you a luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member JayWalker Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 Oh dear, that is very poor work, sorry to see this. http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/journal.asp?CopyID=10024&WebID=2832 October 2011 - 1647 FUT - Dr Dorin January 2014 - 1580 FUT - Dr Dorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairweare Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 Look at the post today from Klkiss as he had similar frontal zone work done with 2000 grafts. It is quite a stark comparison however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member fisher4man Posted December 16, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 It looks it comes from very beginner FUE clinic. But Klkiss's density is not also so good and there is some spacing among the grafts as well, His area was required at least 2500. Anyway if grafts hold about 3 hairs on average, they may cover the area well, but I think this is not the case here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Raiden76 Posted December 16, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted December 16, 2014 yeah, looks like the work i had done 14 years ago.. will likely look pluggy. You mentioned you were a lurker on here for a while, did you go with a doc recommended here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 After my first post, I had to stay away with the negativity posts regarding my results. The responses really put me in a dark place, but here I am at 6 months in. As you can see, the results are light, as we expected. Although I must say that this is a situation where the pictures look much worse than in person. With that said, I just lay my hair down in the front and the transplant is 100% undetectable. Six more months and I can get this fixed. I just have to remind myself that this is a "FIRST WORLD PROBLEM" and not to get down about it. Also, the left side looks HORRIBLY sparse for a reason. Growth was really light there (I'm talking a handful of hairs) and so I trimmed that side until my hair was long enough to cover. Two weeks ago, I was finally able to cover it and stop trimming. Now it's sprouting at a decent rate. These pics were taken a week ago and it's probably improved quite a bit since then. Any supportive comments are welcome and appreciated. --- Wet hair without product: http://i.imgur.com/qiuUvk1.jpg Dry hair without product: http://i.imgur.com/1lG8SaV.jpg Dry hair with product: http://i.imgur.com/q3BBFxh.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Motoro Posted June 15, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 15, 2015 Hey man, you are going to be just fine. You weren't botched, as far as I can tell. You obviously need more density, but the hair you had transplanted is growing. It's thin, but that's not the end of the world. It's also early, at only 6 months. Another pass by a recommended surgeon and you'll look great. Remember, most people need more than one transplant during the course of their lives. Some people need that second procedure quite soon after the first. You're one of those guys. That's no big deal--you'll turn out fine in the end. It's just going to take some time, money and patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member voxman Posted June 15, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think you are going to need another pass, but it should turn out alright by what your pics show. It appears you healed well and there is evidence of growth. On another matter, I am sorry you had to go through what you had to here with your first posts. The job surely was not world class by any means, but there is a way to respond to posters in a manner that can prepare them to face reality without throwing them into a 'dark place'. In a community designed to support, educate and encourage, we sometimes lose insight into our fellow travelers' needs. A few bedside manners goes a long way. I'm serious. Just look at my face. My Hair Regimen: Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted June 15, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 15, 2015 Looks like you have good growth. I agree that another pass will give you the density you need. Damn your hair looks super thick behind it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted June 15, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 15, 2015 Amoore, Thanks for the update. The density is obviously sparse. But I think the biggest issue is the direction of the graft placement. Like a few others said, however, it can be repaired. However, it will be challenging because the next doctor now has to work through misplaced grafts, which is always a struggle between putting the new grafts where they should be versus putting them ABOUT where they should be while camouflaging the previously placed grafts. For example: say, on a virgin scalp, the grafts in the frontal region would be placed essentially straight forward and at an upward angle of 20 degrees. Let's say, however, the first procedure left you with grafts that are placed sideways and at 40 degrees upward. The next doctor will want to place the graft correctly -- straight and 20 degrees upward. However, this will only make the improperly place graft stick out worse! So the surgeon will have to compromise and place them slightly sideways and maybe with a 30 degree upward tilt. However, he/she may be able to pull off a type of transition where they work towards normal graft placement. Either way, make sure you consult with trusted docs who will know how to pull off the above. Feel free to ask any additional questions. Good luck! "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Thanks for the comments. I'm half way there and looking forward to getting this how I want it. By the way, thought it might be a good idea to show you how it looks styled throughout the day (although the pictures were taken after the gym, so my hair is a bit frayed). -- http://i.imgur.com/S7kVdzf.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted June 16, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 16, 2015 Styled like that i would actually notice you had any work done to be honest. This is going to just be even better with your next HT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 When I lay the hair down like that, I love it. It gives me a nice straight hairline and that's what I wanted. But for the past 5 years, I've styled my hair with a wave (as shown in the earlier pictures) so after the next HT, I'll be able to return to my previous style. Thanks, Jonboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CaliHairGuy Posted June 16, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) It looks it comes from very beginner FUE clinic. But Klkiss's density is not also so good and there is some spacing among the grafts as well, His area was required at least 2500. Anyway if grafts hold about 3 hairs on average, they may cover the area well, but I think this is not the case here either. Except, for natural looks on the hairline, you don't want 2 or 3 hair grafts. You want singles to soften things up. The good thing is, even with less than perfect density, this should be easy to repair/fix once it has grown in. Glad to see it looks ok, except for density...which is minor and a 1st world problem like you said Also, which doctor did this? You never mentioned it. Edited June 16, 2015 by CaliHairGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member CaliD3 Posted June 16, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'm surprised the 6 month results are as decent as they are. You're lucky. It was a small number of grafts so you've got lots of grafts left to work with. The main thing is to use a different doctor next time. I had nose surgery to correct my breathing and over time my breathing got worse. The Dr. said he'd do it again but I paid to go to someone else. Best thing I ever did. He who breaks it can't fix it. You should reveal the Dr.'s name so others can avoid him. You'd be helping people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hair2d2 Posted June 17, 2015 Regular Member Share Posted June 17, 2015 Tried to cover too much surface, imo. You can pluck em and keep a more natural hairline until you are ready for a follow up procedure. You'll be fine after you get the gaps filled in assuming you are able to prevent future loss with meds. You have extremely thick hair which is great. You have plenty of options left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Figured some pre op pictures would help too. I also included my current picture with my hair laid down to cover the sparse density. As you can see, it's definitely an improvement. I'm happier than where I was. But will still need more work. -- Pre op with long hair: http://i.imgur.com/LhoQ4nl.jpg Pre op shaved: http://i.imgur.com/S2Fal3N.jpg Six months post op with hair combed forward: http://i.imgur.com/S7kVdzf.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoore1981 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Seven month update. Things are moving along on the right side. Really weak on the left side. Wet without product: http://i.imgur.com/HeY9vON.jpg Dry with product (without Toppik): http://i.imgur.com/GWABVVf.jpg Dry with product (with Toppik and combed forward - this is my daily setup): http://i.imgur.com/VuYLguR.jpg And for reference, pre-op pictures below. Pre op with long hair: http://i.imgur.com/LhoQ4nl.jpg Pre op shaved: http://i.imgur.com/S2Fal3N.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted July 19, 2015 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2015 I would be disappointed too with the lack of growth and density. You cover it very well in your last pic. will you opt for another ht with a different dr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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