Regular Member wings Posted January 28, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted January 28, 2014 Sadbuttrue, I really don't know how much grew. Right now i'm in process of sending pic's to SMG to get an accurate and fair assessment to them year over year. All i can say is that i didn't get near the result i anticipated. I will repost again to show an accurate comparison from the first procedure to the second. In my own opinion there is very little difference from the end result of both procedure's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Forever21 Posted January 28, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Artas is such a new procedure and your right there are bound to be bugs and i got bit. I guess i can say i took one for the team. That makes me so upset. I had planned to get the manual fue procedure but they kept pushing the Artas as a superior choice to manual. I didn't realize we were guinea pigs. I had only agreed to Artas after they called me and said the people from Artas were going to be there during my surgery but that never happened. Edited January 28, 2014 by Forever21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member SADbutTRUE Posted January 29, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted January 29, 2014 what has smg say about your case? what are your plans moving forward? good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Janna Posted January 30, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted January 30, 2014 We encourage all our patients who are concerned with growth to contact us directly so that we can assess their progress properly. We have a reputation for being conservative and cautious and it's especially true with the Artas. We feel it's better to be cautious than be agressive with a new instrumentation. So the issue of growth may be due to less grafts rather than the extraction method. As mentioned below of Dr. Ron's participation in the Artas conference in February, I encourage those with issues and concerns to meet with him in Southern California next week. I recently addressed some of the concerns with the Artas on another thread - here is my post: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We understand that there are some issues of growth/concerns with few of our patients who had the Artas used. No matter what type of procedure we do at SMG, we take utmost care in achieving satifactory outcomes . Please contact Matt or myself so that our physicians can review your files objectively with proper pictures and surgery data. If there is an issue of yield with the Artas, we'd certainly like to know about it. Aside from few posters here, the feedback we've been getting from our Artas patients have been positive. There is a conference next week with Restoration Robotics and all the physicians using the ARTAS, it'd be good to present our cases whether it's positive or negative. When we first started using the Artas, the main concern we were hearing was the size of the punch, that the dull punch size was considered too big and therefore it may create unexceptable donor scars. We started and still maintain our cautious approach in using the Artas. We generally start off the two day FUE procedure by using the Artas the first day. If the grafts look good under the microscope we'd proceed, or switch to SAFE if the extractions were difficult. The second day we'd use the SAFE method to even out the extraction pattern and get remaining grafts needed. Patient Care Services & UK Patient Advisor for Shapiro Medical Dr. Ron Shapiro, Dr. Paul Shapiro and Dr. David Josephitis are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. http://shapiromedical.com/info@shapiromedical.com http://shapiromedical.com/contact/request-a-consultation/janna@shapiromedical.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted January 31, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted January 31, 2014 Janna, Thank you for clarifying. "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hdude46 Posted March 6, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 6, 2014 I had my surgery on feb 3rd-4th with Dr Ron Shapiro. Unfortunately the results are not what i had been expecting, very disappointed with the Artas. I sent in my year review a couple of weeks ago have yet to hear back from them. I'm sure they are aware of the poor results now that there first trials are coming up on a year. I really wish i could have those graft's back and do it the right way this time. No more Artas for me, just straight FUE by hand. i had 1800 grafts this go round. this was my second procedure with SMG first time around i had 1800 as well. Not really a noticeable difference between the 1st and 2nd procedure results. Sorry to hear about your predicament. SMG is one of the world leaders in the HT field. I'm honestly shocked seeing your result as SMG usually produces impeccable hairlines but that does not look natural at all. I'm sure SMG will get you straightened around as they are first class but yes I think you have a right to be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Janna Posted March 7, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hdude, Wings isn't stating his hairline looks unnatural. I believe he's stating there's mp difference between surg #1 and surg #2. The pic he's posted is with his hair straight up, which isn't the most flattering shot. We're waiting on better and more recent pics from Wings. Of course we hope that he'll notice a difference but we'll work with him to get him to where we feel he should be. Patient Care Services & UK Patient Advisor for Shapiro Medical Dr. Ron Shapiro, Dr. Paul Shapiro and Dr. David Josephitis are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. http://shapiromedical.com/info@shapiromedical.com http://shapiromedical.com/contact/request-a-consultation/janna@shapiromedical.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hdude46 Posted March 7, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hdude, Wings isn't stating his hairline looks unnatural. I believe he's stating there's mp difference between surg #1 and surg #2. The pic he's posted is with his hair straight up, which isn't the most flattering shot. We're waiting on better and more recent pics from Wings. Of course we hope that he'll notice a difference but we'll work with him to get him to where we feel he should be. The hairline comment was my own observation. The pinkish hue at the recipient site and the way the grafts are place just make it look unnatural to me. Obviously this is the exception to your clinics usual great results, although it seems there have been a few posters here lately not satisfied with their result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shmiggy Posted March 8, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 8, 2014 Janna, is SAFE a robotic procedure? Does SMG not perform manual FUE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted March 8, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2014 Janna, is SAFE a robotic procedure? Does SMG not perform manual FUE? The SAFE system is a motorized punch but operated by hand The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shmiggy Posted March 8, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 8, 2014 Uh! Just watching that makes me queasy! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainforehead Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I've been researching Fue options for several years, the Safe system operated by Dr Harris seems very good. The drill Dr Dorin uses is not a Safe drill. Here is a video of the Safe system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Janna Posted March 10, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 10, 2014 Wow, thanks captain for the video on Dr. Harris's SAFE system. I was going to explain that there is a difference between SAFE (dull punch) vs the sharp drill on Dr. Dorin's drill. Each type of drill can take out quality grafts as long at the extractor is experienced and skilled at it. Dr. Dorin and Dr. Harris are experienced extractors obviously and make the use of using their instruments look easy. Patient Care Services & UK Patient Advisor for Shapiro Medical Dr. Ron Shapiro, Dr. Paul Shapiro and Dr. David Josephitis are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. http://shapiromedical.com/info@shapiromedical.com http://shapiromedical.com/contact/request-a-consultation/janna@shapiromedical.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member avivalasvegas Posted March 14, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 This picture shows growth 1 year after the ARTAS FUE procedure. I'd love to hear your thoughts as Dr. Paul has stated that this is the end result and near 100% of the result has been achieved. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted March 14, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 I've been researching Fue options for several years, the Safe system operated by Dr Harris seems very good. The drill Dr Dorin uses is not a Safe drill. Here is a video of the Safe system. Nice pick up. I had forgotten that True and Dorin do not use the SAFE system unlike alot of North American surgeons. The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted March 14, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 This picture shows growth 1 year after the ARTAS FUE procedure. I'd love to hear your thoughts as Dr. Paul has stated that this is the end result and near 100% of the result has been achieved. :confused: Anymore shots in different lighting so we can make a better analysis? The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member avivalasvegas Posted March 14, 2014 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 If you compare the previous shots Ive posted, they've all been taken in the exact same lighting. Was there something specific you had in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mickey85 Posted March 14, 2014 Senior Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 Is the pre-op shot in the same lighting/room as the 12 month shot? The only 2 threads you will ever need: Revamped Advantages/Disadvantages of FUE. Myths dispelled. Educate yourself Everything FUE. Manual, motorized, ARTAS, NeoGraft, physician details and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shmiggy Posted March 14, 2014 Regular Member Share Posted March 14, 2014 This picture shows growth 1 year after the ARTAS FUE procedure. I'd love to hear your thoughts as Dr. Paul has stated that this is the end result and near 100% of the result has been achieved. :confused: I respect Dr. Shapiro's work and will probably have a procedure with he or his brother in the next year or so. With that said, this is a very disappointing result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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