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[Dr. James DeYarman]

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[Dr. James DeYarman]

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[Dewayne]

Tell it to da' judge....

 

Seriously, that's why we have courts. Hope it works out for whoever is right. Personally, I'm just glad I'm about to have some hair!

[Hair28]

Dr DeYarman:

I don't think you would offend anyone by stating in this forum the reasons why you've decided to sue Pat and this website. I think all of us want to hear both sides of the story, and we are all smart enough to reach our own conclusions based on the facts presented here.

Hope to hear from you -publicly- very soon.

 

Hair28

[TheEmperor]

Given that Pat explained his side of it (with his spin), I think it would be fair for you to express your opinion.

 

Besides explaining that you were removed from the coalition, his post painted you in a negative light. I was actually surprised to see him airing his dirty laundry. It seemed unprofessional if not slanderous.

 

As I am constantly reminded, web sites are not "open" and they are not democratic. They are owned by a single individual who imposes his views and can deleted posts as he sees fit.

 

I like to think of Web forums as coffee houses where our freedom of speech is NOT protected. (Imagine being escorted from a coffee house for expressing a view counter to the proprietor's. Probably not legal. Not a big fan of "moderated" web sites but as far as hair loss web sites go, this is probbly the better of the two.)

[flyby]

Hi Dr!

 

If this is truly an open forum I think it would only be fair to allow you to post your side of the story.

 

As far as lawsuits go I've been in some myself as a business owner, and I truly believe that most are simply a waste of time and resources which could typically be handled better outside the courts.

 

This site serves a number of purposes and I think that some of the main purposes are to provide quality information regarding HT procedures, doctors, support and personal experiences. Another main purpose should be to help potential HT candidates find the best HT surgeons in the world in order to assist in narrowing down the decision of who's right for them. The main way for this to happen is for Doctors and their patients to show MANY DETAILED before and after photos of patient results. After all great results speak for themselves and it requires many results to determine a good average baseline of each doctors skills. And when it comes to something such as an HT, I think we all want a doctor who achieves the best possible results for each patients individual situation every time. Doing great work 70% of the time shouldn't cut it in the HT business or any medical practice for that matter.

 

So why not start posting high resolution before and after pictures of your patient results? I'm sure that if explained to patients and their identities are properly concealed many would consent. It seems apparent that you still have the ability to post. I for one know I would love to see your results on a regular basis and I think we would all be very honest with our opinions of your work. If your work is consistently stellar then it will be known and I'm sure you would recieve many recommendations and you'll have a thriving HT business. If your results are not consistently stellar then that should also be known and I would hope you would consider a different area of practice. I think we've seen the pain bad results cause and it should not be acceptable at all. If you're not willing to put your work out there then I think that would speak for itself as well.

 

I look forward to hearing your feedback and seeing results. The picture above has a great resolution, but in order for me to give any feedback I would want to see some before pictures to know what you were working with, post op pics and the several varying pictures of the final results including donar scar area.

 

Take Care!

[Pat - Community Publisher]

Dr. DeYarman you are certainly welcome to post your view point and patient results on this open forum. As you know, I invited you to share your point of view and your patient photos on the topic entitled " Dr. DeYarman's Lawsuit against the Hair Transplant Network " when I wrote:

 

 

"Dr. DeYarman is welcome to prove me wrong any time he wants on this forum. He is free to respond to this topic/issue and post examples of his recent patient results."

 

My attorney has advised me to not discuss our case in public. However, since your lawsuit impacts this entire patient based community, I felt I had a duty to inform the stakeholders in this community about your lawsuit, which was already a matter of public record.

 

My decision to remove you from the Coalition was not personal. I had to suspend your membership based on the quality issues that I became aware of.

 

Over the past several years, I have made the choice to not recommend hundreds of physicians on this community. This has made me unpopular with many hair transplant physicians.

 

But I'm not running a popularity contest. I'm running a patient based community that is focused on helping patients achieve HIGH QUALITY RESULTS. I will not promote physicians who I believe do not deliver consistent quality results.

 

I would have much preferred that you had turned things around and that you were now doing excellent work. I believe if this were proven to be true this community would welcome you back. But in my opinion this is still not the case.

 

But please ??“ prove me wrong. As I suggested to you numerous times, create photo albums documenting your recent patient results and share them widely and regularly on this forum.

 

In my opinion, your time and money would be much better spent on improving your quality control and sharing impressive patient results rather than paying your attorney hundreds of dollars an hour in a futile attempt to pressure me into readmitting you into the Coalition.

 

You told me during our last phone conversation that you would drop your lawsuit only if I reinstated you into the Coalition and removed the unflattering information that was posted about you on this forum. But lawsuits are not how physicians get recommended on this community. They become recommended and respected by demonstrating consistent high quality patient results.

 

I'm prepared to go the distance in court and present ample evidence supporting my actions. In my opinion no reasonable judge would order me to promote a physician I can't in good conscience support. You are pushing the proverbial rope.

 

So rather than expending even more time and money on your futile lawsuit, why not post some patient photos?

[hairthere]

I'm gonna have to concur with ht55: i don't know what that patient looked like before (maybe he was slick bald) but that does not look like a dense packed hairline. i have seen much more impressive work from other docs...

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

I also agree with HT55. Of all the pictures you must have ,you post that one. Actually Nuhart packed the grafts in closer in my hairline . Im sorry ,but thats not impressive at all.

I know that youve been around for quite awhile but theres no shame in going to one of the elite surgeons out there and learn one pass techniques

[Bill - Seemiller]

Dr. Deyarman,

 

We run an open patient based forum community and therefore, you are welcome to post here.

 

Our community is interested in recommending only those surgeons who perform state of the art hair transplantation. As a patient member of this community for 3.5 years, I do agree that your removal was necessary at the time. In order to regain the trust of this patient based community, providing strong evidence of consistence in quality of results is vital. Therefore, we strongly encourage you to create regular compelling patient photo albums that demonstrate consistent impressive patient transformations. For instructions on creating patient photo albums, click here.

 

It has been our hope from the beginning that you would do this in order to demonstrate the quality of your work and potentially earn your way back into the Coalition.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

[thanatopsis_awry]

his (Pat's) post painted you in a negative light. I was actually surprised to see him airing his dirty laundry. It seemed unprofessional if not slanderous...

 

 

The guy is getting sued, and he feels the lawsuit, already a matter of public record, is frivalous and assaulting; moreover, it impacts this community, which Pat was candid enough to be forthright about by making one thread. I don't see how that is "unprofessional"; and if it is "slanderous" then objective critique should just be silenced altogether, because Pat's postings on this matter have been if anything temperate and unmalicious. If his explanation "paints" DeYarman in a "negative light" it is by virtue of the explanation itself (Pat's side, of course), not by result of some smear campaign.

 

Pat has publically stated his reasonings in a clear manner. More importantly, he has urged(multiple times) DeYarman to post examples of his work, and offer *his* reasonings.

 

Frankly, refusing to do as much publically, under the pretense of not wanting to "offend" us, strikes me as evasive to say the least.

[the B spot]

I think it is honorable to come on here and offer an explanation to those who want one.

 

Everything is not always black and white, so to be fair lets see what becomes of this.

 

Perhaps this is the opening needed to work out a solution that does not involve attorney's and settles the situation amicably.

 

For what it is worth, any help I can offer, I will if needed.

 

Again, I hope this resolves itself in the best interests of the balding men and women out there.

 

Take Care,

Jason

[jesdog112781]

Well it's time I spoke out, I got my first and only hairtransplant with Dr. Deyarman and let me say i'm clearly unimpressed with the results a year and a half after the surgery. I was 25 at the time and had a pretty decent receeding hairline. I was a little sketchy before the procedure since Deyarman has a low attention span and appeared to be getting bored with my questions and concerns, and the guy always seemed tired. But he was actually recommended on this site at the time and had good reviews so I figured he was good to go, much better than a few of the other surgeons in the area who had terrible reviews. The day of surgery he marked where the surgery would take place, cut out the donor area and then let his female assistants extract and then one on each side begin placing the implants on each side of my temporal region. It was a bit alarming realizing he wasn't doing the implants but I didn't know what to say, partly because it the surgery had already begun, and partly because I was pretty doped up with anestesia. Then the new assistant at the office was begging the lady working on my left temple to let her get a chance to do some implants, I guess I would be the new assistant training dumbie. I figured I guess if my Doctor whom I trust thinks it's ok then why not. But today my left side where that little untrained assistant had worked has almost no growth and hairs are few and far in between. I'm still bald in the area only it appears worse because now I have sparse hairs and it gives a strange appearence. The other side seems to have filled in well. I also suffered severe shockloss on the left side, partly I think again to an untrained person working on my left side. So pardon my french but screw Dr. Deyarman. Also his morals and ethics are screwy if he takes peoples trust, money, and personal security and trashes it with poor preformance than he deserves to be taken off the list and good riddance. I put all my money I earned in the service serving in Iraq and Afghanistan into this surgery and for what? To lose more hair then I gained?? Just because Dr. Deyarman hates doing his job, he should wake up and realize people are paying him top dollar to do the job right, and that his poor preformance will cost him as it is now. I will post photos soon. Also let me know if anyone has any questions or concerns and would like to contact me directly even though i'll be checking the posts at this site. jessdog112781@hotmail.com

 

Important Notice - Posted on May 6 2008

 

After reading the above post I emailed "jesdog112781" in an attempt to help him. I did not get a reply. More recently Dr. DeYarman posted a new topic " 100% TOTAL LIES" alleging that the person posting was not a patient of his.

 

I again emailed the above poster jesdog112781 in an attempt verify his claims. Again, I got no response.

 

In the interest of fairness, I think those reading this topic should know that this poster's claims could not be verified, despite multiple attempts to contact him.

[Pat - Community Publisher]

I'm very sorry and mortified to hear about your experience with Dr. DeYarman. I'm also very sorry that you found him on this community before he was removed in March of 2007.

 

Please accept my most sincere apology. I will be contacting you privately to see what can be done to get you first rate care with a different hair transplant physician in your area. You did your service and you deserve 1st rate service and results now that you are back.

 

As your experience points out, grafts are very sensitive and poor cutting and or handling of them can mean the difference between grafts that grow or do not grow.

 

My greatest fear in publishing this community is a visitor getting sub pare results from one of the physicians presented on this site. Fortunately this happens very few and far between. The issue is then investigated and if the physician/clinic is found to be providing inadequate services they are promptly removed. Inadequate growth, along with other concerns, is chiefly why Dr. DeYarman was removed in March of 2007.

 

Please feel free to post your photos or send them to me privately at pat@hairtransplantnetwork.com

 

I would really like to help you get the results you deserve.

 

Best regards, Pat

[hairthere]

jessdog, sorry to hear about your bad experience. hopefully a top doc can help you sort it out if you are indeed interested in going under the knife again. one point to note, and this is not to defend deyarman, but very few docs actually place the grafts. they generally excise the donor strip and make the incisions and the techs do the placing. that being said, the techs do need to be very good at what they do, and an unexperienced tech can ruin even the greatest ht doc's work.

[Bill - Seemiller]

jesdog112781,

 

I too am very sorry about your experience with Dr. Deyarman.

 

Please take Pat up on his offer to help you get the quality service you deserve with a first-rate hair restoration physician.

 

If there is anything I can do for you also, please don't hesitate to contact me at help@hairtransplantnetwork.com.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

[MeBlindMelon]

"But lawsuits are not how physicians get recommended on this community. They become recommended and respected by demonstrating consistent high quality patient results".

 

 

"But I'm not running a popularity contest. I'm running a patient based community that is focused on helping patients achieve HIGH QUALITY RESULTS".

 

Love both of those lines! After jesdog's post I highly doubt we'll be hearing from Dr. Deyarman on this site ever again. This particular jury has spoken.

 

But in case he'd like to give us another "two sides to every story" rendition, here's some advice...

 

Doctor (in a whispering voice) if you had planned to generate any business from this site, do yourself a favor and remove the sample photo you attached. Unfortunately for DeYarman medical, it does "speak for itself".

[flyby]

That sucks Jess. Even though it's a major financial and personal burden to have to get some repair I'm sure your case is much less worse than people who had subpar work from years ago. Not that that makes you feel any better .

 

I'm glad you said you were going to post some pictures because that seems to always be required by Bill and Pat when negative reviews of a Doctor are given.

 

Best of luck to you and thanks for your service!

 

I personally think that if a doctor is going to be recommended as a Coalition doctor on this site they should be REQUIRED to post results for at least one patient (before/after photos) per month. That way the doctors are being held to high standards on a continuing basis and this gives potential customers a better idea of the results the doctor achieves. Any thoughts on this Pat/Bill? Is one a month really that difficult.

[Byehair]

If this is DeYarmen's posterboy, I would be running scared.

[Hair28]

Has anybody noticed that there have been 20 replies (including this one) to this post and Dr. DeYarman (who started this thread) has not even replied once?

With that kind of interest in public opinion, why does he even bother to work on this field?

[Dr. James DeYarman]

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[chucky]

Thanks for the update doc.

[TomA]

Based on my reading of these two threads, it is hard to believe this came to a lawsuit. That only needs to happen when one side has completely refused to negotiate and I don't see that here at all.

 

Hell, my wife and I didn't even go to court when we divorced because we knew we'd just end up poorer. And guess what? We're still friends today! If we can do it, anyone can. In cases like this, no one wins in court; one side just loses less.

 

It sounds like this could be worked out. Please consider mediation...