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Here we go again....Wait till we hear the full story. Some evidence would be nice as well. I love how everyone is calling this guy a butcher without any facts.

No offense doctor, but you must also understand the hypocrisy of your own actions. To form a club to counter another while still using the word "board" which you find offensive might level the playing field, but nevertheless, works counter to your own argument.

Bill, I thought you would know better. Your rational behind this suspension comes of as sexist and frankly, reeks of censorship. We dont have to collectively agree on everything thats posted. For this community to exist independent of agenda, speech must not be regulated that closely.

Hi Hairme07, I didnt mean to be critical towards you (Armani i believe is a cheat, i have researched this enough to garner my opinion of him), but regardless of density, it a transplanted hairline will never look like your original hairline. It will look nice cosmetically, but never the same. Almost all cosmetic surgeries are the same however. A boob job or a nose job can look nice, but they will never be as nice as a god given nose. I have seen these Armani hairlines in person, and yes they are thick, but they are not the same as your own. I'm sorry, but this i believe to be true. And a few i have seen that look like very thick wall of hair transplated hair. A hairtransplant with 80-90 percent density is not the same as your own hair at 80-90 percent density. They might come close, but they are not the same. Anyone trained to spot it can. There was also a poster, BigKuash who went to Armani, and came to the conclusion that a transplant will never give you what nature did. Good luck nevertheless, and hope it turns out like you wished. If however you have been or are obsessed with your hair in ways that seem to be extreme, please i advise you and others to look into BBD. From reading these forums, it seems that this is never addressed and i certainly think that a number of people fall into this catergory. I also think that maybe your pre op pics created this confusion possibly. But from what i can see, it looks like you just traded a nice hairline with a tranplanted one. With the density transplanted, many native hairs will be transected. It looks like a trade of, and this is why i have a problem with Armani. Like B-Spot said, half the number of grafts would have gotten you to the same place with your native hairs in tack. Anyways, of course its your life and your decisions, so Best of luck. And i think that its going to look nice when its done.

Becuase if he was really hampered by "constantly dealing with his follicular issues", then judging from his pre-ops, it might be a case of BDD, not MPB. I think that Armani is a cheat, plain and simple. Hair Transplantation is not the same as all cosmetic surgery. It is a progressive disorder. If the man had no issue of MPB, then great for him. But if he does, then this is clearly unethical for a 27yo. Also, why would you exchange your natural god given hairline, and his looked about having 80 to 90 percent original density, with a transplanted one. You can never recreate what was first natural. It might look cosmetically appealing, but it will not compete with a full natural hairline. Sorry, but thats the truth. People get Hair Transplants becuase they do not have hair, where once there was. Rarely do people get transplants for pure cosmetic reasons, ie: lowering an already full hairline. But when they do, there should be very little risk because a: they do not have MPB, b: they are at the right age where the balding stopped. BTW, taking propecia does not mean that balding disappears, sorry but thats the truth, it is in the literature. MPB will continue, albiet a bit slower, but its still around. I hope the poster the best, but if it is an obsession for this man, then nothing will make it better. BDD seems to be more prevelant in these forums with younger posters, ones who are especially intersted in Armani. The man(Armani) is making lots of money, doing procedures that are not necessary in the first place, and decieving the younger patient.

this dude is a riot.....maybe i shouldn't feed the troll.

from the limited info about eyebrow restoration, i think this guy is recommended http://www.hairtransplant.com/subnewportbeach.htm

Anouar, i am not saying that i dont believe your experience, i am just coupling it with the fact that it was 1000G 8 years ago. I dont know about Limmer specifically, but the industry has changed dramatically between then and now. So, im just saying that context is important.

sanjayahair-- Sorry, you came asking for questions at the wrong time. but really, there are many good people on this site with lots of good information. I hope that you do your research, but also go to the Drs. that are on your list, and look at both patient results and photos. This will help you make a really informed discussion.

Hairbank- I agree that we need to find the truth in matters concerning poor performance. But context is very important. To me, both good results and bad need to be verified before we make conclusions. As for mob mentality, this has become a sort of cheerleading fan site, where we always root for the home team. I think that we need to take the information first, before alliances. I personally didn't like the way Pat went after the new site and there Drs.. This too me was agenda oriented. The other site has been up for a while, but the mission to destroy it was distasteful. I mean, this is not the end all to be all in HT forums, and shouldnt be. And really, why would Pat force other Drs. of that site? It really makes me wonder. Aside from that, i really have no problems with anybody here. I think that most of the regular posters are good guys who mean to help, including yourself, but why is it always us against them. Coalition Drs against everyone else. In the end, this is all a form of advertisment under a more noble viel. I mean, do you really think that the word "ultra refined grafts" mean much besides marketing.

guys, are you not reading what i am reading. when someone writes about having 1000grafts 8 years ago, how can you draw conclusions without anything else to go by. dont forget that this dr is part of the coalition...and Pat wrote a glowing review about there clinic when he visited them just some time ago.... this is a free market, and people have the right to be affliated with other websites, and also, to create other forums. people will ultimately decide the validity of it, but let that happen naturally. the only person that should have an issue with it is PAT, who becuase of his livelyhood(making money from this site) has to be concerned with competition, and its effect on his pocket. i am not saying that this is wrong, but this isnt an altrustic website for the benefit of manking, come on now, some common sense please. this is mob mentality here period. sanjayahair, Dr Limmer is highly respected. should it matter to you what his affliation with another website forum has to do with a hair transplant. NO. Bill, i respect your positions, and i also believe that you are here to help. but i sometimes think that we are not being objective here.

i have not posted in a long time, but coming back to the site, i am very displeased at what is happening. all the regulars need to step back for a second and think alittle. this is getting to a really bad point, and the tactics are getting dangerous on all sides. please, get away from agendas. and yes, i believe that Pat himself has an agenda, he makes his living from this website, although it is in many ways a benefit for many people, but the politics should be his concern, and the helping should be the forum members concern. this is not a flame, this is an opinion, i am entitled to one, so please use good sense.

In all fairness to the photos above, it is very hard to tell about the naturalness of the transplant with hair that short, becuase the illusion of density isnt really at play.

(no harm no foul) Of course not... same team at the end of the day bro..

I didn't mean to be inflammatory, and i suppose that the way my resonse came across was just that. I do apologize. My only intent was to show that had it been a different Dr, maybe H&W or Shapiro, etc. our collective reaction might have been somewhat different. Meaning, we would wait for more information before beating the drums, which i still believe was done. I am not a patient of this Dr. and have no reason to defend him. I think i am only reacting in a rational manner, one in which information is critical to my own assesment. The other thing i was doing was granted the wish of the patient, instead of causing more stress. She asked for restraint, and i think her wishes was best granted in this particular case. What good is it to insight more stress then already was present, and to make her feel regretful of ever posting. She asked this demand repeatedly. Remember, Dr's are Dr's and they have a duty to care for there patients, especially ethical Docs, and so, let them take care of the situation first, and when thats not resolved, we come to the boards. Also, she is a grown woman, and can seek medical second opinions for her self. Why would i assume other wise? And why would i assume that i understand the situation medically when i am not qualified to make that assesment. Dr Fellers response echoes the non severity of this particular case, although the pictures themselves are horrible. That is my argument to wait things out, to get the information. Thats all.

I have no intent on arguing with you B-Spot or anyone else for that matter. I think that it is safe to assume that if this was Ron Shapiro's patient your reaction would be different. Are we to think this is the first time something like this occurred? No. I dont mean to be personal, i just want to give a different perspective.

With due respect B-Spot, i feel that you have continued to vilify the Dr without the proper information. It is just not right to assume that this type of infection does not occur with other Drs because i will guarantee that it has. There is always the possibility of complications that arise from surgery, and no Dr. is free from having had some on there records. I surely believe many have, although not everyone goes to the boards right after surgery. I assume that a very low number of people actually post on these boards anyway, compared to the numbers getting the procedures done. You also assume that Rassman is trying to compete with other Drs and thus being reckless. Oh man, that is not fair. I think a man that was doing 4000graft megasessions and dense packing since the 90's isnt playing catch up to anyone. As much as we like to believe, there isnt that much of difficult technology involved in the procedure. It comes down to what works for each individual Dr and what they are comfortable with, usually regarding how many grafts to take out, and the implanting that we find descreptancy's between Drs. Dr Rassman has also been preaching ethics more then any other Dr. Give it some time, get the information, then sound off. I will also mention that although the sore looks bad to the eye, from my limited medical knowledge, it isn't as horrible as it looks.

you guys are very quick to react. take a second, wait for her reply, seems that she is under dr. rassman's care for the moment. this is a surgically procedure, and maybe all the cons have never been explained. although it is unfortunate, there can be many factors at play. it could be mistakes made by the dr, mistakes made in post op care, and of course, everyones distinct biology. wait it out for a while, then make an assesment.

Hi Johnno, I think i understand your first concern. Anesthia and its administration to the scalp is thought of as one of the main reasons patients suffer shockloss, but probably does not concern graft survival. So, if you are under 30, not taking propecia, and have lots of minaturization, then the follicles that were shocked out will probably not come back, whether it be from making recipant sites, or anesthisa. If however, you were on propecia, and have stabalized a bit, then those hairs will come back. Hope that helps.

Bill, in front of...it certainly seems that way with regard to the pictures provided.

Bill, it seems that this surgery is ahead of the previous so there wouldn't be a concern with transection.

I do feel for you, but the picture of your scare is quite normal. It looks to be in the 2mm range which is pretty standard without a tricho closure, and also, you are completely shaved down which shows it more. I am guessing that maybe you didnt get this information. Also, maybe your concern is that density in the balding pattern didn't live up to expecations and you shaved down to find a scar? This is all speculative though on my part. Best of luck.

They are your doctors, you paid for their services so they owe you there services which includes all the information you need pre, during and post operation. I am also shocked that people search the internet for post op instructions when your dr should have explained every detail to you in the first place .(Now, to gain information on how other docs prefer to go about post op is not a bad thing) And then, after you called and asked, and are still unsure, contact them and ask again. It is important to have a DR. patient relationship where communication is open. I am not directing this at anyone, just for readers to understand that you hired your Docs, not the other way around.

Nizoral is great. It is important to have a good routine. Good luck

Hi Vinto, I have had two successful surgery's with Dr Elliot. But if i were you, i would first wait 8 months on Propecia to see what will happen. You are young and hair follicles that are at the first step of minaturization have a great chance to bounce back, especially if you are under 30. If you go ahead with another surgery, you can just accelerate your loss and wind up even more discouraged. I would also say that if you have problems with your dr., even after you have addressed them, then why go back?