Grace

Sorry to be a drama queen as I'm accused of here, but this is a sad day and I understand *COMPLETELY* how: This forum has DRIVEN AWAY a respected member like folica who was one of the only *FEW* people who *TRUELY* had PowerRanger's concern at heart in this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...861/m/8761077033/p/4 This forum has DRIVEN AWAY a knowledgeable member like Thomas Ortiz. JASON, don't DENY the fact that almost everything you learned about the highly repsected Dr. James Harris was from all the juicy stuff Thomas posted on Hairsite. Please tell Pat that! This forum has DRIVEN AWAY a knowledgeable member like Peter MacDonald just because he was affliated with DHI. Do you see what you guys are FUCKING doing?! The one thing that we have *LEARNED* from the past is that we have *NOT LEARNED* from the past! We are all REAL BREATHING PEOPLE HERE and not just "posters" on the screen. PAT .... or BILL! SAY SOMETHING!!! -Grace

Something is a little iffy here.... What happened to one of our respected posters, folica? Why do I get an error message when trying to view his profile on *every* thread of this forum?! And his weblog has disappeared from the face of this planet as well! Bill, What's going on here?! If things are being *quietly* deleted I want nothing to do with this forum! -Grace

OK Bill I had a bad day yesterday, alright? I'm sorry. Listen Bill, you, out of all people should understand that women can go through mood swings and become emotional especially in an alpha-male dominated community like this one. So if you feel the need to *actively* portray me as a total slut then fine I don't mind Why can't you reference some of the other nicer things I called you in my past PowerRanger thread, eh?... such as... MUFASA (I apologize for not asking permission yet to use your pic. I will seriously stop this if you are offended) In a more serious tone Bill, I have a job for you. Have at least 6 respected members of this forum *copy and paste* the following list of agreements enveloped in quotations below and post them on this thread. After that is done, I'll be ready to post some pics by this Sunday. Thanks. -Grace " I completely understand that: 1). Grace was *originally* provoked to come to this forum due to a former prospective patient (PowerRanger) and I will at least consider the fact that she has good overall intentions. She truely believes that there are some educational information on this website. 2). Grace is not recommending Bosley and she is posting pictures solely because members of this community is encouraging her to do so. 3). Before/After pictures that Grace will be posting will be faceless pictures selected by her doctor and not herself due to legal formalities. 4). Graft counts, hair counts and single-hair graft incision sizes will be revealed for each photo that Grace posts. 5). Grace's doctor is not comfortable in revealing himself nor the location of his clinic. 6). I fully realize that some of the non-coalition recommended doctors of this website and even a few coalition doctors listed here: http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physicia...nsplant-surgeons.asp have yet to put *ONE* photo on this forum that recommends them. At the very least, Grace should be respected in doing something many recommended clinics have not. 7). After viewing the pictures posted by Grace, I will consider listening to the constructive critisms she has to say about this forum as well as try to evaluate the notion that each clinic and doctor should be considered as separate entities. 8). Most importantly after posting some pictures, Grace will be allowed to go away quietly at anytime without the need to defend her clinic or further explain herself. "

NervousNelly and folica, Posters like you are *dangerously* sucking me into this forum more than I want. But hearing some supportive words from you have convinced me. I want to personally thank you. So this is the tentatively plan. I will give an update on things this Sunday so that everyone is crystal clear on my stance. And then the following week I'll post some pics. Sorry for the delay. Reason being is that posting pics of patients on these online forums require some legal formalities and social etiquette. In addition, my doctor doesn't know actually that I've become this involved on this forum... oops. Before I get sucked in any further I really need to ask his permission on all this. But some posters have questioned my *PERSONAL* integrity, so if need be I'll seduce the doctor in his office so that I'll be allowed to post some pics. Talk to you again soon, NervousNelly and folica. I didn't let you down with PowerRanger, right? And I won't let you down this time either. -Grace ============================================= And a general side note to everyone!!! I just have to say that the testosterone level on this thread is getting out of control! You guys are bald enough without the extra DHT!!! Some of you are getting a bit too daring with your sexist comments. Please tone it down. I'm not that kinda girl. -Grace

An example of why I cannot win no matter what: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/showthread.php?t=145694

I'm sorry. I hope certain *intelligent* people reading this can understand why this forum is quick sand for me. I don't know why I even bother. The reason why I say that "I do not recommend Bosley" in my signature is simple: I can never win here NO MATTER what I do, period. dakota3 has expressed his concerns about scarring and wanted to see what a real trico donor closure looks like as he stated in this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...111003033#5111003033 I want to help him and educate him so that he can be more knowledgeable and conversant with his plans of attack with Dr. Epstein. I feel that I can educate him by letting him see a REAL patient of my *PARTICULAR* clinic with great trico donor scar results. Here I am offering dakota3 from the kindness of my heart to let him *see* in person a *REAL* patient of my *PARTICULAR* clinic who has, IMO, great 5 months post-op results, so that dakota3 can be more knowledgeable when discussing his plans of attack with Dr. Epstein. Even with this genuine gesture I am brutally attacked by M&M and wanthairs. This forum is filled with posters like M&M and wanthairs. To the quiet readers out there notice how these attacks by M&M and wanthairs are *VERY PERSONAL* in nature. I highly doubt that M&M and wanthairs would be courageous enough to show their faces when they say these personal insults to me. To: M&M and wanthairs, I am proud of my work and of the *PARTICULAR* clinic I work for. The *PARTICULAR* clinic that I work at was a great place to launch my career in this industry that I love after graduate school. My patients have told me directly how happy they are with our work at my *PARTICULAR* clinic. I am very proud of my personal achievements. No one can take that away from me. -Grace ====================================================== To: dakota3 the offer is still on the table so let me know. -Grace

I do *NOT* know Dr. Phillips at all. Everyone, please DO NOT put words in my mouth and *use* me to *PURGE* your angers on Bosley. dakota3, I just got back from my vacation and new to this forum and thus just realized about this private message function. As stated in my signature I do not recommend Bosley. I repeat I do not recommend Bosley. I repeat I do not recommend Bosley. Bosley clinics operate *autonomously*. I cannot do anything about your money, I am truely deeply sorry about that. The only thing I can offer as a *PERSON representing herself* I repeat as a *PERSON representing herself* is my advice and knowledge from experience. *FOR EXAMPLE* you mentioned in a post that you are concerned about the donor trico closure. The best thing to do right now before seeing Dr. Epstein (who will provide you with great care) is to see a real live patient with that type of closure. It is all about education and expectations. Now luckily my cousin who flew to have an HT with my *PARTICULAR* clinic currently lives in Western Massachusetts. If you want I can ask him to see if he is willing to drive to Boston so that you can *CLOSELY* look at his results at 5 months post op. My cousin was given the upper edge (aka Marzola) trico closure and had his recipient transplanted at 40 follicular unit per cm2 with 0.8mm recipient incisions and 2100 grafts. You want to get this second round RIGHT with Dr. Epstein so I think it is in your *BEST* interest to see a real live patient with the above sugerical specs so that you can be more conversant when you discuss your plan of attack with Dr. Epstein. Please reply publically on this thread if you are interested in seeing a live patient with the above surgerical specs. -Grace ================================================ And Bill, do *NOT* make assumptions on things you are unsure of. I do *NOT* work for and do *NOT* know of the doctor in question as dakota3 has verified. -Grace

Good evening everyone, since I passively checked this forum today and felt obliged to reply to another thread just now I might as well briefly reply to this. Thank you for your comments. As some of you know I just returned from my vacation this past Sunday and I am swamped at work and at my condo (I'm repainting). I am not trying to "go in hiding". By this Sunday I will reply and address all of your comments. You have my word. -Grace

Are you asking me out?

... I guess it's nice to hear that coming from someone with 4000 posts!! You know what? I don't have a lot of time in my hands. I have a gift of finding information quickly that's all and I'm quite good with the computer. The thing with you Bill, is that you are always nitpicky and asking for proof, so I needed to research past threads in order to give you proof otherwise I won't have credibility. Sorry.

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Please note that this post requires the reader to have a bit of patience to carefully read the links to other threads as well as a certain level of mental capacity. Also please note that it might take awhile for me to reply to all of your comments because I'm very busy with my job. When I have sometime, I will try post again. Realize that I'm disclosing the fact that I'm affliated with a Bosley clinic to abide by forum rules, however what I'm about to write in this post is ENTIRELY my PERSONAL OPINION and and does not represent Bosley. For the time it takes for you to read this post, please think of me a mere 30 year old woman representing herself. This post is more geared towards the fresh new members who quietly read this forum. The background story: My motive for me to originally post on this forum before going on my vacation was to rectify the *DEFINITIVE* statement given to a prospective patient of mine that ALL Bosley doctors are butchers. In fact, *I am not here to recommend Bosley at all.* The truth about this forum as I stated before in my thread to PowerRanger: *There are educational information on this website*. However, this forum is dominated by a handful of clinics that hire people to proactively post on the forum. Thus clinics earn a reputation not based on their actual work but visibilty. Patients end up with a deceptive fixated view on a handful of clinics and miss the holistic picture of what the HT industry is really like. This website is *NOT* the golden list of *all* good doctors. If a doctor is good but does not want to pay s/he will not be listed on this website. I cannot let the trend continue to happen in this industry where *SO MANY GOOD* doctors work HARD humbly without the "aid" of "cheerleaders". This is 2007 and not 10 years ago. There are many good doctors who can perform microscropic follicular unit transplantation nowadays. I *UNDERSTAND* that some employees of clinics are more "geniune" in their intentions on what they post and working in their clinics at a more medical capacity. However, I think it is important to have a centralized list to keep track of *ALL* posters who are employed/paid. Here is the list please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll delete and repost. (all pictures have been taken from public domains at hairtransplanetnetwork and hairtransplantementor..com - hope you guys don't mind since you have nothing to hide, right?): Maybe there are more who don't disclose their information. It is my opinion that there is a greater chance for *OBJECTIVITY TO BE LOST* when you are paid. Before going on my vacation to Bali Indonesia, I took A LOT of time (over 2 full days) to study the past threads of this forum as well used resources from Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations, where I received my Bachelor's and Master's degree in the analysis of public opinion, to try to understand what this forum is all about and the protagonists herein. My conclusion: *BEWARE* of the *DEFINITIVE* statements being made by some posters. Some statements are *OPINIONS* NOT FACTS. This forum is to a certain extent educational but potential patients and readers must *FILTER* some of the information being presented especially those from employed/paid posters. The reason being is that employed/paid posters have subjective tendencies (which they not be fully aware of) to *MANIPULATE* consciously or unconsciously, information IMO in order to *DEFEND* their clinics. I can show *NUMEROUS EXAMPLES* of this in past threads. You know what? Why don't I prove this notion to you all infront of your very eyes. I will show you how *some* information *can* be twisted on this forum. Watch how the employed/paid posters will miraclously *POP UP* and "SWOOP IN FOR THE KILL" when I make these *UNDENIABLY TRUE AND FACTUAL* statements: Statement 1: Even the doctors who are considered to be "elite" by this forum have unsatisfied patients. Here is one example of a patient who has expressed his unsatisfaction with his results from Dr. Victor Hasson (Please don't remove this link, I'm not posting it for "promotional" purposes): http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?cati...63&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE= Statement 2: Some people have said that SMG is being ran similiar to that of a "hair mill". Take a look at these two threads carefully: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...=213000966#213000966 also read arfy's comment in this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...216051861#5216051861 Statement 3: Dr. Shapiro does not do his own phone consultations and have Matt Zupan, someone with no formal medical training, determine donor hair density. As a results there have been patients who have been *UNSATISFIED* with their donor assessments. Here is one example (please pay close attendtion to B spot's response to Mudpuppy): http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...271090502#3271090502 Pat himself was dissappointed with his results so far from his most recent HT with SMG: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/showthread.php?t=152031 Statement 4: Dr. Victor Hasson has stated in the following thread that he will be disclosing hair counts, but to this day we have yet to see *ONE* patient who was given his/her hair count from H & W. Even the highly respected Moderator, Bill, is too *CHICKEN* to call Dr. Hasson and ask for his own hair count to benefit this forum he represents: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...171097662#2171097662 Statement 5: Shapiro Medical Group website is very outdated with non-current information. Eventhough it was mentioned numerous times that this problem will be rectifed, nothing has happened for years. Take a look for yourselves: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...391015582#4391015582 Please, please, please *don't* interpret the above statements as personal attacks on the doctors. I'm just giving the facts and it's my way to show that the end justifies the means. Doctors especially those in the coalition are very good doctors but there are not gods deserve of worshipping and NOT the *ultimate list* of all good doctors - this is a true fact. In my opinion, doctors who perform microscopic Follicular Unit Transplantation and who can show a dozen of good before/after pics, clean post-op pics as well as allow prospective patients to talk/see other live patients are "great enough". Remember what I said in the beginning of this post about the fact that the forums are fixated with a handful of clinics? Well, Dr. Shapiro and Dr. Hasson are very good doctors. However, I feel that in this industry certain doctors (you know who) have been elevated to some sort of Hollywood celebrity status. I feel that some patients just merely go to these doctors just to have bragging rights. Some of these patients don't even talk to doctors over the phone until the day of surgery! *ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE* about this forum, from my study of past threads there are several *UNPAID* regular posters who are extremely knowledgable, objective and know when to re-evaluate their stances when appropriate. Those saints IMO are the following people in my order of preference: folica - The understanding father in Phoenix who has empathy towards young patients (... and I'd love to go on a date with you thanks for asking!) NervousNelly - The great medical doctor from Michigan with a well-rounded perspective - a true gift to this forum. Gorpy - The most logical and systematic engineer of Arizona with the best hairline this world has ever seen. John_in_NC - The nice guy who has a keen eye to spot an unnatural hairline a mile away everytime - Good call on Bill's hairline. spoon - The quiet guy who speaks out only when it matters the most and move mountains with his solid arguements. Aquarius - A good "friend" of James. He has good intentions and shows his love to others in his own distinct way. Mrjb - AKA JOBI, who knows the true meaning of "cheerleader". On the same token, in my opinion there are posters who are apart of the "mob" and who like to spew blatent and *cannot be trusted*. I won't name names but you'll see what I mean. I realize that this post will get the *MOB* going so to all the quiet readers out there, please observe carefully how *CHILDISH* some of the members of the mob will be in their use of foul language. Do you guys want to hear my interpretation of why the B Spot is now hired by Shapiro Medical (which he might not realize)? Notice how more and more patients these days are deciding between Dr. Hasson or Dr. Shapiro? A good example is the poster, EmuSteve. SMG now more than ever needs a vocal *cheerleader*, someone who has an *IN* in this community to counteract Jotronic. SMG's Less agressive session sizes Vs. H&W's More agressive sizes SMG's Stick-n-Place Vs. H&W's No Stick-n-Place SMG's Sagitals VS. H&W Laterals IMO, the passive battle between SMG and H&W lives on. You guys should have read what B spot wrote to Jotronic before he edited his post in this thread about the difference in philosophy on session sizes (B spot, what did you and Jotronic talked about over the phone?): http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...221046223#2221046223 To summarize, the points I'm trying to make: 1). There are many great doctors in and outside the coalition who do not have employees posting. 2). If possible, we should strive to have patients INDENPENDENTLY post results. 3). Filter information when appropriate particularly from those who have financial incentives. 4). The HT industry is more political than you all think. 5). Have some correspondance either via phone or email with the doctor DIRECTLY and not soley from the consultants before booking surgery. It is your head. 6). Sometimes a reality check is in order. Thank you and I would like to extend my *apologies* to those I have offended, Grace C, MS (Yes, believe or not as you can see from the photo shoot of mine....even I have vanity. For those who dare, why don't you show your faces as well and let's talk face to face. Sometimes I wish these forums were face to face.)

Please note that this post requires the reader to have a bit of patience to carefully read the links to other threads as well as a certain level of mental capacity. Also please note that it might take awhile for me to reply to all of your comments because I'm very busy with my job. When I have sometime, I will try post again. Realize that I'm disclosing the fact that I'm affliated with a Bosley clinic to abide by forum rules, however what I'm about to write in this post is ENTIRELY my PERSONAL OPINION and and does not represent Bosley. For the time it takes for you to read this post, please think of me a mere 30 year old woman representing herself. This post is more geared towards the fresh new members who quietly read this forum. The background story: My motive for me to originally post on this forum before going on my vacation was to rectify the *DEFINITIVE* statement given to a prospective patient of mine that ALL Bosley doctors are butchers. In fact, *I am not here to recommend Bosley at all.* The truth about this forum as I stated before in my thread to PowerRanger: *There are educational information on this website*. However, this forum is dominated by a handful of clinics that hire people to proactively post on the forum. Thus clinics earn a reputation not based on their actual work but visibilty. Patients end up with a deceptive fixated view on a handful of clinics and miss the holistic picture of what the HT industry is really like. This website is *NOT* the golden list of *all* good doctors. If a doctor is good but does not want to pay s/he will not be listed on this website. I cannot let the trend continue to happen in this industry where *SO MANY GOOD* doctors work HARD humbly without the "aid" of "cheerleaders". This is 2007 and not 10 years ago. There are many good doctors who can perform microscropic follicular unit transplantation nowadays. I *UNDERSTAND* that some employees of clinics are more "geniune" in their intentions on what they post and working in their clinics at a more medical capacity. However, I think it is important to have a centralized list to keep track of *ALL* posters who are employed/paid. Here is the list please correct me if I'm wrong and I'll delete and repost. (all pictures have been taken from public domains at hairtransplanetnetwork and hairtransplantementor..com - hope you guys don't mind since you have nothing to hide, right?): Maybe there are more who don't disclose their information. It is my opinion that there is a greater chance for *OBJECTIVITY TO BE LOST* when you are paid. Before going on my vacation to Bali Indonesia, I took A LOT of time (over 2 full days) to study the past threads of this forum as well used resources from Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations, where I received my Bachelor's and Master's degree in the analysis of public opinion, to try to understand what this forum is all about and the protagonists herein. My conclusion: *BEWARE* of the *DEFINITIVE* statements being made by some posters. Some statements are *OPINIONS* NOT FACTS. This forum is to a certain extent educational but potential patients and readers must *FILTER* some of the information being presented especially those from employed/paid posters. The reason being is that employed/paid posters have subjective tendencies (which they not be fully aware of) to *MANIPULATE* consciously or unconsciously, information IMO in order to *DEFEND* their clinics. I can show *NUMEROUS EXAMPLES* of this in past threads. You know what? Why don't I prove this notion to you all infront of your very eyes. I will show you how *some* information *can* be twisted on this forum. Watch how the employed/paid posters will miraclously *POP UP* and "SWOOP IN FOR THE KILL" when I make these *UNDENIABLY TRUE AND FACTUAL* statements: Statement 1: Even the doctors who are considered to be "elite" by this forum have unsatisfied patients. Here is one example of a patient who has expressed his unsatisfaction with his results from Dr. Victor Hasson (Please don't remove this link, I'm not posting it for "promotional" purposes): http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?cati...63&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE= Statement 2: Some people have said that SMG is being ran similiar to that of a "hair mill". Take a look at these two threads carefully: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...=213000966#213000966 also read arfy's comment in this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...216051861#5216051861 Statement 3: Dr. Shapiro does not do his own phone consultations and have Matt Zupan, someone with no formal medical training, determine donor hair density. As a results there have been patients who have been *UNSATISFIED* with their donor assessments. Here is one example (please pay close attendtion to B spot's response to Mudpuppy): http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...271090502#3271090502 Pat himself was dissappointed with his results so far from his most recent HT with SMG: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/showthread.php?t=152031 Statement 4: Dr. Victor Hasson has stated in the following thread that he will be disclosing hair counts, but to this day we have yet to see *ONE* patient who was given his/her hair count from H & W. Even the highly respected Moderator, Bill, is too *CHICKEN* to call Dr. Hasson and ask for his own hair count to benefit this forum he represents: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...171097662#2171097662 Statement 5: Shapiro Medical Group website is very outdated with non-current information. Eventhough it was mentioned numerous times that this problem will be rectifed, nothing has happened for years. Take a look for yourselves: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...391015582#4391015582 Please, please, please *don't* interpret the above statements as personal attacks on the doctors. I'm just giving the facts and it's my way to show that the end justifies the means. Doctors especially those in the coalition are very good doctors but there are not gods deserve of worshipping and NOT the *ultimate list* of all good doctors - this is a true fact. In my opinion, doctors who perform microscopic Follicular Unit Transplantation and who can show a dozen of good before/after pics, clean post-op pics as well as allow prospective patients to talk/see other live patients are "great enough". Remember what I said in the beginning of this post about the fact that the forums are fixated with a handful of clinics? Well, Dr. Shapiro and Dr. Hasson are very good doctors. However, I feel that in this industry certain doctors (you know who) have been elevated to some sort of Hollywood celebrity status. I feel that some patients just merely go to these doctors just to have bragging rights. Some of these patients don't even talk to doctors over the phone until the day of surgery! *ON THE BRIGHTER SIDE* about this forum, from my study of past threads there are several *UNPAID* regular posters who are extremely knowledgable, objective and know when to re-evaluate their stances when appropriate. Those saints IMO are the following people in my order of preference: folica - The understanding father in Phoenix who has empathy towards young patients (... and I'd love to go on a date with you thanks for asking!) NervousNelly - The great medical doctor from Michigan with a well-rounded perspective - a true gift to this forum. Gorpy - The most logical and systematic engineer of Arizona with the best hairline this world has ever seen. John_in_NC - The nice guy who has a keen eye to spot an unnatural hairline a mile away everytime - Good call on Bill's hairline. spoon - The quiet guy who speaks out only when it matters the most and move mountains with his solid arguements. Aquarius - A good "friend" of James. He has good intentions and shows his love to others in his own distinct way. Mrjb - AKA JOBI, who knows the true meaning of "cheerleader". On the same token, in my opinion there are posters who are apart of the "mob" and who like to spew blatent and *cannot be trusted*. I won't name names but you'll see what I mean. I realize that this post will get the *MOB* going so to all the quiet readers out there, please observe carefully how *CHILDISH* some of the members of the mob will be in their use of foul language. Do you guys want to hear my interpretation of why the B Spot is now hired by Shapiro Medical (which he might not realize)? Notice how more and more patients these days are deciding between Dr. Hasson or Dr. Shapiro? A good example is the poster, EmuSteve. SMG now more than ever needs a vocal *cheerleader*, someone who has an *IN* in this community to counteract Jotronic. SMG's Less agressive session sizes Vs. H&W's More agressive sizes SMG's Stick-n-Place Vs. H&W's No Stick-n-Place SMG's Sagitals VS. H&W Laterals IMO, the passive battle between SMG and H&W lives on. You guys should have read what B spot wrote to Jotronic before he edited his post in this thread about the difference in philosophy on session sizes (B spot, what did you and Jotronic talked about over the phone?): http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...221046223#2221046223 To summarize, the points I'm trying to make: 1). There are many great doctors in and outside the coalition who do not have employees posting. 2). If possible, we should strive to have patients INDENPENDENTLY post results. 3). Filter information when appropriate particularly from those who have financial incentives. 4). The HT industry is more political than you all think. 5). Have some correspondance either via phone or email with the doctor DIRECTLY and not soley from the consultants before booking surgery. It is your head. 6). Sometimes a reality check is in order. Thank you and I would like to extend my *apologies* to those I have offended, Grace C, MS (Yes, believe or not as you can see from the photo shoot of mine....even I have vanity. For those who dare, why don't you show your faces as well and let's talk face to face. Sometimes I wish these forums were face to face.)

Wow I just got back from my vacation and now this? Congrats, but what is this? I explicitly asked you who you worked for in my thread to PowerRanger and you didn't disclose the information?! How long was this arrangement in the making? Why can you not be a patient advocate without being paid by Shapiro Medical? To NervousNelly, I have some post-op pics from my clinic. May I please email them to you and if you think that they are good work can you please post them on this forum on our behave? The reason why I want you to post the pictures and not myself is because you have an "IN" in this community. We will pay you 40 US dollars for each picture you decide to post as well as for each good comments you make about our particular Bosley clinic. Thanks. -Grace

Good evening. Please read everything. Firstly let me call out to PowerRanger since I have left him a voicemail but have not heard back. The poor kid is probably reading this and is confused and scared to death thanks to yall. PowerRanger, if you are reading this please, give me a call and we can work something out concerning your deposit. After all, this thread is about him and his well-being. It disgusts the living day lights out of me that some of you are using this as stage for your own personal entertainment: "Oh the Bosley witch has popped up, let's burn her alive ". You guys are no different from the mob at the Jerry Springer show. In any case, I apologize that I feel strongly about my position. But there some things that must be put forth. I have taken A LOT of time to study the past threads of this forum. I hope that by doing this coupled with my formal training in the analysis of public opinion at Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations will arm me with the right tools and examples to be able to contradict you all and fight fire with fire. The posters that I have some respect for, I will respond to you in the upper portion of my post and at the end of this post I will respond to the scumbags of this forum. folica and NervousNelly, I have respect for you the most. You speak in a manner that makes me truely believe that you have PowerRanger's concerns at heart. There will a lot of formalities to work out concerning his deposit, but I'll work with him to demonstrate that we are not the soul-less sharks this forum has hyped us to be. I would like to address some of your concerns: We do not often operate on young patients like PowerRanger and most of our patients are in their 40s and 50s. In deciding weather a young patient is a good candiate we look at the following criteria: 1) has definitely decided against the 'shaved head' look 2) has significant frontal hairline recession that makes them look significantly older than their age. 3) lack of significant thinning throughout the rest of the scalp 4) commitment to keeping their hair through medical treatment I don't want to violate patient confidentiality agreement but I'll say what I can. You never met PowerRanger, but I have and I believe a young patient similar to him is a mature 21 year old that who can make an informed decision about his life. Someone like him has built himself from the ground up single-handedly to where he is today without any aid from parents. Believe me he has worked hard, in fact too hard for his goals. Some one like him is deciding where to go to college, whether to join the military, who to marry....all of which have life changing consequences. Likewise I think he can weigh the pros and cons of doing a conservative follicular unit transplant procedure. I remember very vividly what he said to me during consultation: "Ms Grace, I have been saving up over a year and half so I can become handsome enough so that I can get a girl as beautiful as you so that I can finally be happy. Thank you thank you thank you for helping me". (PowerRanger loves saying thank you to people as you noticed from his posts). Anyways, those words were the saddest and at the same time the most uplifting thing I have ever heard. I am confident that our clinic can carefully provide the 700-1000 grafts that he needs so that he doesn't have to spend more of his hard-earned money to get on a plane like all you suggested to go to one of the coalition doctors. Money and personal situation are a factor to some people. I just believe PowerRanger can happier sooner rather than later. There are doctors that I respect that refuses to treat patients under 25 for example Dr. Alexander, who I have the utmost respect for. So I think this is an area of legitimate disagreement. Folica, you have chosen a great ethical doctor of the highest order. One that doesn't hire a consultant to routinely manipulate info in this forum. He is not "hyped" up, but he is one of the best in the world. Don't let anyone like Bezane tell you different. NervousNelly, I hope that you will change your mind that not everyone needs a BMW and all the "standard options" that comes with it. Seriously, in this industry, we have elevated certain doctors to some sort of celebrity status. Some people feel that they have bragging rights if they went to this doctor or that doctor. There is one advice I would like to give to you when you have your procedure with Dr. Shapiro whom I respect. And that is: make Dr. Shapiro HIMSELF assess your donor density. Don't let anyone else M do this. I wish you well. . Next in line: Bill! the Mufasa of the Pride. I have some respect for you too. Firstly what did you mean when you said this (thanks for the offer btw): I did not realize you speak on behave of everyone else on this forum. Are you now the unofficial moderator of this forum? Because I've seen numerous examples where I can provide links if you wish where to TELL people WHAT to post and NOT to post! Correct me if I'm wrong, but your virtues is that you noblely welcome every new member to this forum. I think that is great. Everyone thinks you are a nice guy and I think that you are too. A VERY VERY nice guy that this forum needs. However, you're not the most TECHNICAL guy out there. You have NEVER READ one single scientific published study, you have NEVER GONE to any conferences, you have been a patient but have NEVER witness a surgery in process. Sorry to single you out, but actually this is true for most posters here who only get diluted over-hyped second-hand info. I truely feel you are a GENUINELY VERY NICE GUY and have a great new mane of hair and an EXTREMELY HOT bod that I'd glad throw myself at (but you are taken, your wife is a lucky girl). HOWEVER I'll say it again that you are NOT the most technical of people as exemplied by this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/346...591084313#2591084313 So don't argue with me about the Laser comb and things like that when you HAVE NOT READ ANY OF THE PUBLISHED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!!!!!!! IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE FINE PRINTS OF THE STUDIES LET'S DO THAT! But Don't just definitively say that a FDA product is a "SCAM" and "there is no proof that it works" because that is VERY INACCURATE. If there is something SPECIFICS in the study that you disagree, let's hear at what page of the study and at what paragraph!!!! In addition, I've seen threads where you advised a 40+ guy to stop taking finasteride and advise your friend hairfree to stop using minoxidil. IMO these are all bad advice and if you want a link to where you stated this I can provide them, I just don't want to clutter this thread with so many links. I digress, I think you are a nice, generally helpful guy and I find your muscular physique extremely hot . Who's next?! Oh Yes, the B Spot. (Should I call you B spot or J?) Firsts of all who are you? Who do you work for and what is your agenda? You seem to be TOO technicially conversant to be just "another poster". Why did you finally decided to "pop up" again. Is it your intent to help PowerRanger or to just roll your eyes at him? You made an esoteric joke to him in your first post, days ago and now that the Bosley lady has arrived things are getting exciting so you decide to chime in again?! Why did you not "warn" PowerRanger if you really cared for his well-being? An yet you publically state that it is your call of duty to SAVE people from the "chain mills" in this thread: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/146...361073813#5361073813 So I ask you again. WHat are your intentions and what do you think PowerRanger should do? Now, I will answer your questions and address your concerns in a more serious tone. You are entitled to your OPINION. Yes, may I ask if you have EVER worked in the HT industry or gone to any of the conferences? Ofcourse, similar to you having no problems giving SMG free advertisement with your signature as well being the head cheerleader for recommending Dr. Shapiro and Dr. Rose even though the former doesn't do his own phone consultations and the latter doesn't even have a SINGLE before/after photo in his NEW website. I still however have the highest respect for those two doctors. I disagree, Bosley has a vast network of good doctors and a lot of resources. Please elaborate your point. Well if you cannot systematically quantify artistry how do we come to an agreement to who is elite and who is not? You know what? You don't have to be Michael-Angelo to design a good hairline. It takes less than 20 minutes, IMO. How long did Dr. Shapiro spent designing your hairline? 0.8mm for single hair grafts, which I understand is not the smallest, but in my opinion, very adequate. I'm sure there are coalition doctors that uses similar size incisions for single hair as well. Sagital incisions everywhere except in the mid-scalp section where we employ lateral for 3-hairs and 4-hairs graft to capitalize on the "fanning-out" effect - Do you understand what I mean? I can elaborate further if this is unclear. Doctor make all the incisions as well as places a lot of the grafts. 35 to 40/cm2 Max strip is 30cm by 1.5cm. It is our belief that going "beyond" the ears is highly risky. Dissolvable sutures. From experience, patients like this the best. Past patients who received staples all complain of the pain when removing staples. 2, 3 max Microscopic slivering and dissection. My respect to Dr. Limmmer who is the inventor of this technique. 3.75 dollars per graft for all session sizes. 7 years. 1 tech 5 years. the rest of the techs 2.5 - 3 years. Yes and member of ABHRS as well. I mentioned before in another post in this thread that good doctors are very busy keeping there clinic running smoothly. Posting pictures and hiring consultants to post them on online mob-ish forums are not the highest priority. In addition, there is more legal formalities and social etiquette than you think to just post pictures of a patient online. It's not that easy unless the patient actively offers. Furthermore, we don't want to advertise here. The motive for me to originally post here was to rectify any inaccurate "don't-even-consider-any-Bosley-clinc" info/mentality given to a prospective patient. Last thing: what is this with the double standard? There are plently of coalition and recommended doctors who have yet to put one photo on this forum that recommends them! OK fine I'll give you the coaltion doctors. But how about your recommended doctors on the recommended list? Hope I answered your questions. It is nice to talk to someone who is technically conversant unlike others here and who actually "appear" to know what they are talking about. My Thanks. . dakota3 - I am sorry for your situation. I will report that clinic that you mentioned to our central office to start an investigation. Keep in mind that poor growth could be due to your physiology and not doctor's skill and that there are risks to any surgery. Coalition doctors have been removed due to poor result. I've seen patient complains about poor growth with doctors who are still in the coalition as well. Here is an example: http://hair-restoration-info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/746...861/m/9721061723/p/1 . Lastly, TO THE SCUMBAGS of this forum who took my bait and proved to this forum how childish you are. But let me play along one last time and see if you take the bait again. To: youngsuccess: You are so ugly yo mama had to feed you with a sling shot when you were a kid.... wait you still are! Care for a b-job? NoBuzz4Now: I saw your photos and you look like a half man half toad with a really REALLY (I repeat really) small wrinkled up wiwi. In my professional opinion that old repair is going to be EXTREMELY hard to fix. Congrats. thanatopsis_awry: Have a nice life filling your post with verbose SAT words. You have a long way to go, my boy. I'll tell Peter to tell Dr. D to teach you a lesson you'll never forget. One last thing: UCONN SUCKS!!! It is normal for someone like you to have an inferiority complex. -Grace