GeneralNorwood

Or he is user from Italian forum hungry for discussion. It's speculation unless you have prove. So i don't know why ban him for 2 weeks.If he is not welcome in this thread, just ban him from this thread 🙄

Yeah, but Titanic had only 20 lifeboats that could accomadate only half of the passengers. That's why Leo died and he had Norwood 1... Interpretation is obvious 😄

Unfortunate metaphor dude. DId you ever see "Titanic" ? 🤣

Well, for the last 20 years i belive there was little improvement. But now this Chinese guys from Kintor are up to something and hopefully things will speed up.

But it can be after 20 years so i don't care. If you are good responder to finasteride/dutasteride, it is scientifically proven that this drugs will stabilize your hairloss for 10+ years. I started finasteride 2 years ago(now i am on dut) and since then i am better off. I will be extremly happy if i finish this journey with 2nd HT and mantain effects for next 10 years, i am dedicated to stay on medicine therapy. And on this forum we have @MazABwho is taking finasteride since times that it wasn't even called finasteride, so + 20 years and i think his hair are pretty stabile since he started taking this drug.

i am from Poland, so we have different products here and i use some polish brands You have to test different products for yourself. I can elaborate that my hair mask has sunflower oil, rycin oil and avocado oil. My conditioner has wheat protein, soy protein and arginine. My hairdresser recommended to use this kind of "women products" when she saw that my hair are very dry. Here is the result :

Well, your hair look a lot better then month ago. Waiting for pictures from photo session before and after procedure

You need to ask a lot of questions before procedure, they won't do it for you. Number of grafts is basic question. You didn't agree on specific number of grafts, so they did low effort job, harsh truth. Trust, but verify. Nah, you won't gain anything by contacting them. Would you go for another touch up? I wouldn't. So contacting this clinic is pointless. Can you send some pictures in daylight, when you are outdoors? Another thing is that your hair look dry on some pictures. Do you use protein conditioner and hair mask? It should improve condition of your hair. You can use hair mask once weekly and leave ir for 30-40 minutes, then wash it.

Tony, maybe you can try using 5% minoxidil, because as i remember you only mentioned using topical dutasteride. Topical minoxidil can do tremendous job for beard grafts. You can use it once per day, before going to sleep.

Yeah, my is maybe even little more aggressive then this "ideal hairline" project for Bandit90. However i am 3 Norwood stages lower, having Norwood 4 with diffuse thining, having good donor too, taking dutasteride and minoxidil, so i hope that i will pull it off.

You can take it only at night as i do, because of the long half-life

As i wrote in the first post, Dr Priyadarshini didn't want to implant grafts on top of my head to not harm native hair. But after watching photos from session i insisted to implant some hair on the top and she agreed to implant around 300 on the crown, it was finally 351 hair. Ok, that's fair 😄

and here comes "That's just your opinion" eristic argument. Remember that people can judge , which opinions and arguments make sense. Thanks for talking.

It's not "to me". I provided objective criteria that proves this cases are not alike. "a lot of beard grafts" is not good argument to state that 2 cases are similar. Well, i can agree to this conclusion. Tony is now rightfully unhappy about the result and he is manifesting this in overdetailed description of his communication troubles with Eugenix. Well i understand that Tony got angry when he was hearing from long time "wait, wait" and nothing changed. But clearly now Tony has Dr Sethi attention and i suggest to descalate situation a little bit and try to resolve it in private. Tony, based on your first post, The original plan was to implant a lot more grafts in next procedures, but seeing current outcome you have to establish with Dr Sethi if there is sense to continue HT journey. If possible, you could see Dr Sethi in person, so he could examine your scalp in person. Ask him if he is coming to US this year. You can get second opinion from one of forum recommended HT Surgeons too.

Man, im not asking about exactly same procedure, but similar. Gatsby's first procedure is nothing like Tony's. Tony had 2500 beard grafts and 500 scalp grafts- which is propably around 3500-4000* hair implanted on high norwood. Maybe Tony can answer if this number is correct, if he knows amount of singles,doubles etc. Gatsby had 3200+ scalp grafts and around 5000 beard grafts- which is propably around 12000* hair implanted on high norwood. So Gatsby had 8000+ more hair implanted in procedure, so there is 0% similarity. *The number of hair is my estimation based on that average hair count per graft in scalp is usually around 2 and in beard around 1.

Well Gatsby had 3000+ scalp grafts in the first procedure, so you can't compare it to Tony's procedure( 500 scalp grafts)

My hairdresser told me about this new technique called AirTouch. It's more expensive and takes more time, but they won't color all your hair.The result can be very natural, hair will blend nicely, you can look into that.

Can you show me ?

Dr Bicer is on of the few recommended in Turkey. It looks like crown started to grow, we will se how it will improve in 2-3 months. Could you provide some side pictures? Happy growing

The thing is that your procedure is solely based on beard grafts. 2500 beard vs 518 scalp, so more then 80% grafts were from beard. And i guess most of this beard grafts were singles, which means worse coverage. In ideal world your procedure would have opposite ratio of 2500 scalp grafts and 500 beard grafts, which would provide more density and natural look, but of course it was impossible because of your donor supply. This is first case that i saw with so high level Norwood level that had so big beard to scalp grafts ratio. And now imagine that you have unlimited beard grafts supply and you implant another 7500 beard grafts on the scalp. It will provide you basically new beard, but placed on the scalp. It won't look natural. If im mistaken, please somebody provide case that had implanted 8000+ beard grafts on this level of norwood and the final result was looking good.

It's interesting because this opinion that i went too aggressive is very common in this topic and nobody says that for example Bandit90 went agressive. And our hairlines are not so different, maybe his is 1cm higher. Like guys, i think that i dont need 8000+ grafts to close the deal.

You mean how many cm it is from mid frontal point to glabella? It is 6 cm. Or do you mean how many square cm i had implanted in frontal region? I dont know that.

Can you elaborate what it means? Yes, but you are definetly around 60 grafts/cm2 in the old hairline, because they added extra grafts to old 40 grafts/cm2. But how about this completely new area, where there was no hair, did they implant there 60 grafts/cm2 or around 40 grafts/cm2?

Well, there other factors too, check out this video :

From my information, standard density in Eugenix is around 40 grafts/cm2. I don't know the details, if they use this kind density equally or they tend to pack grafts more dense in the front, rather then in the back. This is safe approach, which provides high succes rate, when they are using their HT method. Implanting with 80 grafts/cm2 is very risky and can cause necrosis. And it's not definetly for Norwood 3 and above patients, because of donor managment. I remember that in one of Eugenix articles i saw that they can maixmally implant 45-65 grafts/cm2. I belive this 65 grafts/cm2 is only for some individual cases.