GeneralNorwood

Yes, you marked right temple, so it was 373 grafts in this red area.

Option 2 and 3 are worth considering. Option 1 won't eliminate huge contrast between front and back. Hairpicees, wigs etc, its not for me. I don't even like using fibers. FUT is definetely an option. It is better for sure, then depleting donor(if it can be an issue).

Yes and the real question is : "What is possible now?"

BHR wrote to me that they saw my post about consultation with Bisanga and they said that unfortunately in real life my hair look worse then on the pictures that i posted on forum. I don't know why exactly i shouldn't share such important information like consultation with such recognized doctor like Bisanga. I mentioned in my topic that i am going to consult with him 2 months ago. You expect me now to hide bad news and pretend that everyting is fine? 😅

That's true, every case is different so it's not good argument when somebody says "Eugenix did even Gatsby, so you are easy peasy!!!"

I am taking dutasteride 0.5 mg daily since september 2022 Today i started minoxidil 5mg daily

If there was some multi part plan, i would like to know about this before jumping into procedure There were 720 grafts total for the temples, from which some where singles splitted from doubles i believe. He said something about structure of my beard, that it differs from my hair. Yes, i can say that i wasn't properly educated in subject of diffuse thinning.

The issue is that this was not 2-step strategy. Why would Bisanga reject me when I had over 6,000 grafts in donor while now with half of the donor he didn't reject me

You are only at 4 months, so the best results are coming.I like graft distrubution that you had.

In 2 weeks it will be 11 months. Slick back doesn't look so good yet. I took this pictures 2 days ago :

Can you elaborate? I don't know the details, but i remember that oral version and liquid have different mechanism. Also microneedling+liquid minox is superior to liquid minox alone.

Today i received oral minox 5mg from Belgian pharmacy. I ordered 2 times 100 capsules, so i have supply for more then half year. Photo after i took first capsule for future reference : My hair were in a mess, so i decided to take a shower. After blow drying hair look somewhat better: Guys, do you think it's better to abbandon liquid minox completely if i am taking oral minox now? I could for example use dermapen + liquid minox once weekly, as a bonus.

That's why i will take both 😂 Even more with the switch from finasteride to dutasteride That's some nice perspective. The idea of not doing any more transplants for a long time is interesting. I will definitely consider this option in the coming months when I use oral minoxidil and my new frontal hair will grow even longer. We'll see if long hair slicked back will be something that will satisfy me. Thank you for your message

Well, that was group video meeting with Hariom, Amandeep, Dr Das and Dr Arika. Firstly i had some quick chat with Hariom and he tried to explain why Eugenix graded me 3V. He said that norwood scale doesn't take into account diffuse thining and because of that i have a lot of native hair, they graded me 3V. But i saw many doctors grading cases like mine NW5a or higher. I don't know what is scientific consensus here, but IMO grading case like mine so low, can be misleading. He had some remark that my lateral hump area had become worse since procedure, but i replied that this is not true and one have to look at pictures in same lighting condition to see that this area is stable Amandeep and Dr Das joined video meeting. Dr Das presented some hopes with further use of dutasteride, which i do not share, because i am already 2 years on DHT blockers. She said that if she did the operation again, she would do everything the same. According to her, not having the hair implanted on lateral humps area was a conscious choice. She agrees with my idea to wait for 18 months mark before jumping into next procedure. Then Dr Arika Bansal joined us. We talked about height of the hairline, she thinks that higher forehead would look worse for me. We talked about how many grafts were used for the temples and that a lot of them were doubles splitted into singles, so it wasn't like we used 700 grafts on the temples, but around 400 grafts. She mentioned that it would be better to not use all the donor in next procedure, but use part of it and mix it with beard grafts. I told her that i ordered oral minoxidil 5mg and she said that although she isn't big fan of prescribing it, she saw some good effects from it, so i can hope that in 5-6 months of usage i can see some benefits and limit demand for the grafts. She suggested that till next procedure i can comb back my hair, so it will look better. To sum up, They supported my idea to not rush into next procedure and assured me that they would not leave me and would be in touch with me. Hariom will be in touch with me and the doctors as well if needed. The transplant plan will need to be reevaluate prior to the procedure

I don't know No, however after a while Dr Arika joined video meeting and i was talking with her about height of the hairline. She said that this is popular subject after procedure, that some people complain that it is too high too. In her opinion if i had made higher hairline, my forehead would look to big and now it looks fine.

Yes, this is good case study. Medication did really good job. It did some part of me thinking that i am Norwood 3V.

I think you are right, because today Dr Das told me that she wasn't implanting on lateral humps on purpose, because of my young age. She said that if she had to do the operation again, she would do everything the same

The other reason is that we started on 11:10 am and finished on 8pm. People want to go home 😅

Just tu clarify, there were 2 sessions. During first day i had implanted 2160 grafts and on the second day 1354 grafts.

Well i have different opinion and i wasn't talking about you in particular, because you provided some valid critique against clinic, so i can't say that you are onesided. That's not what i meant. I am all for free speech. If somebody wants to write onesided opinions in favor of clinic, feel free to so, but it just doesn't look serious to me and that's my opinion. My post was only meant to make forum users reconsider their objectivity.

Maybe don't worry so much about clinics, they will be fine, trust me 😂 Hair Restoration Social Network is forum "Created by and for patients". Maybe it's a slogan, but i like to belive in it. I know that some of you had great experience with particular clinics, everything was friendly, results are astonishing etc. But it doesn't mean that you have to defend clinics, they are not your friends, be sure of that. If you don't want to critique particular clinic's other patient case, because you personally had great experience, perhaps a better choice is diplomatic silence instead of being overdefensive. That doesn't mean that nobody can provide argument in favor of clinic, feel free to do so if you have solid point But some posts in my topic, like yours, seem to me overdefensive in favor of clinic and this posts are going in wrong direction. Because why do you care so much if Dr Pradeep, Dr Bisanga or any other doctor will be pleased? I personally can better identify with other patients then clinics, because i know what fighting with hairloss looks like. Yes, i am genuinely seeking a good looking natural end result. I started my story here on hairrastoration and on polish forum too. I have to be transparent with other patients, so they can benefit from my experience and i can benefit too, upon reading advices from other members. Care more about the patients, less about the clinics.

Yes, it is 6 cm from glabella to MFP. There is not further progression of baldness, just to be clear. You have to compare pictures in the same lighting condition. This is January 2022 vs January 2023 :

This is true that Dr Das said that she has hope of further improving with finasteride, but i was already more then 1 year on finasteride and i was like "this is as good as it gets. So there was no such hope in me, personally. I am on dut 0.5 mg daily since september 2022, so half year. During today's videoconference, Dr Das emphasized some hopes for further use of dutasteride. And again, i can't connect with this hopes, because i am already 2 years on DHT blockers and it is what it is. There are some studies that show that dutasteride has better effect on hair then finasteride, but it is only around 10% more effective. We can't expect that this miniaturised, thin, light colored hair will become terminal hair. To give you full perspective, when i came to conference room in Hotel Marriott, Dr Bisanga was sitting in front of the computer. I shook hands with him and started filling some form from BHR. Then Dr Bisanga asked me "what is my goal here today?". Keep in mind that i was facing him, so he saw only front of the hair, so at that time maybe my goal wasn't obvious. I told that i want him to evaluate my HT. He was like "Our job is not to evaluate other's clinic work, son". But then he stood up and started to look at my scalp. He noticed what's going on and asked if i give the permission to record, because he is teaching young doctors about HT and he wants to show this case to them. That was free consultation and it lasted around 30 minutes, we had to finish because other people were waiting. Later i was waiting for friend from polish forum, who also had consultation with Dr Bisanga. His consultation lasted only 5 minutes. His case was kind of botched job from turkish clinic with depleted donor and wrong shape of harline. But apparently, Dr Bisanga didn't think it is worth recording. I don't think it's "tactic" to compete with Eugenix. You know only about this consultation because of me. Even if Dr Bisanga decides to publish this video online, i am sure he won't be disclosing clinic's name. Dr Sethi also publishes videos when he points out mistakes in hairtransplant. Furthermore, Dr Bisanga, Dr Sethi and Dr Arika, they know each other and from what i know, they are in good relationship. Yeah, the thing is that i like wearing my beard, so first of all i don't want to overharvest it. 2500 is much and i think your beard is more dense.

I didn't think i will need second one right after first one. I know it's necessary, now it's obvious. If we did hairline on the level of native hair, and treated lateral humps and midscalp, result would be more blend, so there wouldn't be such pressure for 2nd pass IMO. No temples, hairline on the level of native har, doing midscalp, humps and crown. How about this scenario? True. On video call Hariom told me that Eugenix graded me 3V because i had a lot of hair on scalp and Norwood scale doesn't take into account diffusse thinning. I must say that i don't agree with this argument. You can't grade someone Nw1 because he has 100 hair all over around the scalp. If hair are miniaturised and with low density they shouldn't lower your NW grade. Just look at this example. THs patient has hair all over the scalp, but Dr Pinto graded him Norwood 5a : The pont is. If i knew that im NW6, i would think twice before going with such aggressive hairline. True. Even during today's group video conference, when Amandeep told me that if i want to improve lateral humps, they can do that, i explained to him that Eugenix can't listen so much what i want, because i can be wrong about the approach and all i want is natural look, which i clearly i don't have now.

Berba, that's what i meant. Instead of lowering hairline, Of course situation changed, because half of the donor was used on the front. It wasn't like that. For sure, i didn't like the disconnected look between front and back. Reinforced by forum members, i had hopes that it will be repaired during 2nd pass. Consultation with Dr Bisanga gave me new perspective and emphasized how diffucult my case has become.