Looking for HT

On 5/30/2020 at 6:24 PM, watterot said:

Hi all,

Will keep this as short as possible since I find long posts hard to digest myself. I have my HT with Dr. Bhatti (Darling Buds) on 6th December 2019. He had transplanted approx 3500 grafts, with 2400 at the hairline and front. And subsequently 1100 in the crown after a lunch break. I had met Dr. Bhatti a year prior to the op and while I had got the recommendation from this forum, I did not go through many of the disastrous results his patients have been putting up on this forum.  

I am now 6 months post op and the results have been extremely underwhelming. My biggest concern however as been from day Day 1, that the clinic decided to leave a spot bare at the midscalp.

I noticed something was wrong right after the surgery and asked the doctor in my discussion with him the day after. The conversation went as follows:

Me - I noticed a large spot has been left bare

(Dr. Bhatti observes)

Dr. Bhatti - We fell short of grafts 

Me - How can that be possible. After leaving this area bare, 1100 grafts were placed in the crown! 

(Dr. Bhatti give it another look)

Dr. Bhatti - Don't worry, if you take Finasteride it will grow there

(SPOILER ALERT - It did not)

Now every subsequent month I wrote to the doctor with pictures to show that the area obviously did not have any growth. His response was to no worry and just keep on taking Finasteride. Which is of course did.

After six months (show in the subsequent two pictures), when the area where no grafts were planted looked extremely disconnected from the rest, I asked him again why the clinic had decided to leave the area bare? His response again was that it was 'DUE TO A SHORTAGE OF GRAFTS' and that he will check his records. I had to remind him once again that this was not possible! Since hair was planted in the crown after leaving that area empty! 

Now that I have gone through many HT experiences on this forum and others, this has to be the first time I'm seeing a doctor falling short of grafts (even though in my case it wasn't really him falling short? And the experience of dealing with Dr. Bhatti post HT is an absolute nightmare. 

Has anyone here had a experience where the doctor leaves an area bare and moves to the crown? And then claim he fell short of graft? The only explanations I can think of:

1. Incompetence - The clinic simply forgot to plant the grafts in the area and moved on the crown (with the 30 min lunch break in the middle!). This would explain why Dr. Bhatti insists that he fell short of grafts. After all, that could be the only logical reason why a clinic would do something this silly. Of course, on reminding Dr. Bhatti that he could not have fallen short of grafts due to the subsequent crown HT, he simply says he needs to check his records

2. Malice - Leaving the area bare means the patient would need come back for a follow up procedure. This is a risky strategy since it assumes that the HT is successful otherwise. Which was not the case with me. I'm willing to accept that this was simply a case of negligence and incompetence from Dr. Bhatti and the clinic. After all, why attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. 

 

I have failed to get a clear and honest answer from Dr. Bhatti regarding this for six months now. He is asking me to come visit him. With the current COVID situation in India worsening that would obviously not be possible at the moment. In any case, I do believe he owes me an explaination to why the area was left bare and why he keeps insisting that he fell short of grafts when he clearly did not. The way the HT was conducted meant it was meant to be a failure from day 1. I am now reaching out to other doctors to get their perspective. 

 

 

Sorry about your experience mate. I have never heard a doctor saying that they fell short of grafts and left an empty patch. Pre planning done by an experienced doctor can judge the number of grafts required approximately.  Also lets say if they do fell short, a good doc would always find ways to accommodate a patient and atleast talk to them and not just leave a blank spot.

Dr Bhatti was on my list. Lucky, I didnt go ahead with him. 

Ask for some refund for the trauma you are going through and go to a different doctor. Not sure if Bhatti would even consider that .

21 minutes ago, Zoomster said:

Hi All 

just wanted to give everyone a better idea of the donor area in day light buzzed  to a #2 after 5400 scalp grafts extracted ..

I think it’s testament the all the team @Eugenix for a job well done 

excuse the big Zit over right ear ready to pop at any moment now 😊

hope this helps 

Z

 

 

Amazing Karl 👌👌😃

1 hour ago, Fluffhead said:

Keep growing your hair out. I think the illusion of density is a critical part of the process. @Zoomster @paddyirishman and myself are all in this with you eagerly  awaiting the great leaps in appearance. It feels good to know there is a band of Eugenix brothers out there who all had surgery around the same time. Seeing our collective progress has given me good perspective on the range of outcomes after 5 months. Up to now, you and I are on the slower side, but I remain bullish on a 12 month timeline. Keep the faith, brother. We are all in this with you!

 

Thank you very much mate. I get so much motivation from yourself and other Eugenix patients as you are right that we all had Surgeries almost same time. Actually it was a coincidence that a fellow Irish @Zoomster had surgery the same days like myself. I am very excited for him @paddyirishman is the most positive person I have ever come across😝 Thank you all. @Fluffhead Your progress looks amazing and I am keeping my fingers crossed for improvement in month 6 😃

Have a great Sunday !!

17 minutes ago, Zoomster said:

@Fluffhead... Thank you for support..

I've a funny feeling your username will be considered a very apt description of you in a few short months time..in Ireland Fluffhead equals Dude blessed with lots of hair.. 👌

And well said re @Looking for HT... The whole forum is rooting for him.... and it'll come in spades very soon of that im sure.

Looking forward to your next update. 

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May your words come true ... Enjoy the sunny Sunday in Ireland😃

25 minutes ago, Zoomster said:

@Looking for HT...

thanks for that big guy ...I hope you don’t mind I’ve stolen your lovely green smoothie recipe too 👌🏼😊

Hang in there ....all good things come to those who wait 🙌

 

Haha...It is a good recipe alright. Enjoy Sat night😃👍

3 hours ago, Zoomster said:

5 MONTH UPDATE 

Hi All ,

A few signs of hope out there regarding nations recovery from Coronavirus so hopefully all you waiting on making a trip for HTs can do safely soon ...stay safe ..

Nothing major to report between months 4 and 5 ..a slight thickening of hairline however my mid scalp density is a concern ..apparently this is quite common midway through your journey “Density Anxiety”....adding to this feeling of anxiety is the fact that I bumped the top of my head against the roof of the car while being transferred to the airport after my HT  ..3am and still a little groggy as I still had the remnants of a relaxer pill I’d taken for each of the previous 3 days procedures ..sounds stupidly obvious but please be extra extra careful on way home from HT

I witnessed another bloke who had a a HT banging his head off the Overhead luggage compartment while flying home from Istanbul ..stepping across his mate to sit at window seat ..very easily done ..

I sent Dr Sethi a vid from Istanbul airport on my way of Top of my scalp and he said luckily I don’t appear to have done any damage but it still rankles at me ..my heart sank to be honest at being so stupid ..

I’ve taken pics this time in more transparent lighting with less shade on top 

I’m beginning to think my salt n pepper characteristics might actually turn out to be my friend when seeking an illusion of density with my planned grown out hair in the months to come ...I think it might help have a less contrast hair v scalp scenario .

I tried for the first time a couple of days ago salt n pepper fibres from mane.co.uk and to my delight it looks like a perfect match for my native and transplanted hair ..I think it’s a no brainer for those of us wanting to bridge the gap between post HT and waiting for final result to come in ..tbh I think the fibres compliment any HT beautifully if you use a less is more approach with them ...I can certainly see myself availing of them from time to time into the future ..especially for the crown..

Still trying to stick to my daily regime as per previous post ...and trying not to obsess overly about the process ..which is easier said than done ..

overall still very happy how things are paning out....I’d be ecstatic...if I knew extra density was on the way for sure ....

but this is it with HTs ....we’re never sure are we ?😊

love to hear any feedback or comments /questions...

Part 2 ;

pal just shaved back and sides to a number 2 ..much prefer this length and will be the length I’ll be using going forward ...

speak soon

Z

 

 

 

Absolutely amazing progress Bud. I looked at your pre op and now the above pictures. 10 years younger and unbelievable at 5 month mark. 

Thanks for clarity in the pictures and you are going to be a hope to many who are in the same boat.

Dont worry about bumping your head as Paddy mentioned that if there was no blood, nothing to worry about.

All the best and chat soon.

Cheers

31 minutes ago, watterot said:

Wish you luck for the coming months. Sorry if I missed your earlier posts, but why aren't you taking Finasteride? You could lose a lot more hair in six months. So even with a good HT it may not look optimal.

Thanks mate. My native hair has been the same since past 10 years so I doubt if I will lose it at a very progressive rate and thats not a worry for me at this moment.

Yes , wont be taking Finasteride is its not for the transplanted hair anyways, even though it may reduce the waiting time for growth.

23 minutes ago, Abhinay Singh said:

Sir, don't be disappointed as we have seen slow growth in at least 5 to 6% of our patients and Nelson is among them. His growth had started after 5 months only. 

Thank you Abhinay for the motivation I am excited to see how the next few months will be in terms of new growth

9 hours ago, paddyirishman said:

I can see an improvment since your last update. Even though its slight. You are a slow grower but it's where you will be after 12 months is your overall goal to keep in mind. 

Don't beat yourself up by thinking you are losing out on growth because you don't take medication.  Transplanted hair does not need medication. I'm proof of that, I never had taken any medication whatsoever and very fortunately I have great growth. 

Your updates and pictures have been great. You are on a great healthy routine of diet and exercise as well which is a great help and will stand to you for the coming months and beyond for good growth. I have no doubt you will be in a great position in 6 or 7 months from now. You have a lot to look forward to. Happy growing .

Paddy

Thank you Paddy. I do feel motivated with yours and zoomster support

Hopefully this will improve further.

4 hours ago, Zoomster said:

No problem mate.... And thank you for such detailed informed and impartial updates 

You do this forum and its members a great service... All the way down to the clarity of your pics.. I'll be updating my 5 month shortly.. How the hell am I meant to follow that post of yours 😂

Speak soon 

 

Z 

Thanks bud. Your 5 month post is going to blow away lot of minds 😝

25 minutes ago, Zoomster said:

id still swap places with you in a heartbeat regarding 10 to 12 months results situation.. 

Theres nothing surer that is gonna be fab.. Hairline, temple points, crown still intact etc etc.. NW 1 territory by Christmas 

Call it a hunch...... 

Z

 

Haha...Thanks bud. Only time will tell but thanks for the motovation🙏😃

1 hour ago, Pyrat said:

You also mentioned that the hairline and the temples were implanted on the second day even though the slits were made on the first day. Do you think that the areas that are showing slower growth are these areas where the slits were pre made the previous day. You also mentioned that the doubles and triples had to be split for the hairline and temples which could also be another reason. Just trying to reason out what could be the cause for the delay in growth.

Good question and I did not even think abut this until now. I will ping the doctor and see what they see.

However, I believe the doctor would not have done it if they knew that it could hamper the end result but will check with them.

Thanks mate

4 minutes ago, Pyrat said:

Thank you for the post. That was super detailed, specially the side by side comparisons between the 4th and 5th months. This has got to be one of the slightly slower results from Eugenix. 

The increased length of the hair does make it appear like there is more density, specially from the sides but it doesn’t look like even 40 percent of the grafts have taken hold and started growing. Hopefully the new hair that you talk about are slowly going to get longer and thicker. Did the doctor say if this was normal or what percentage of the patients take this long at their clinic. 

Thanks mate. Yes, the growth has been very slow and I am yet to see the grafts grow where there are gaps. It does worry me but will give another month.

I just had a video call with Dr Sethi after you replied above and he mentioned that out of 100 patients 5 fall in my category and this includes Nelson who works at Eugenix and is at the forefront when it comes to marketing. Nelson only started growing at month 5-6. This gave me some peace of mind that I am not alone and others took time but achieved good results.

Again, I want to stress this point that anyone looking to get their HT and not taking the medication should set up expectations that the progress can be similar to myself.

Thanks for following my progress and I appreciate your feedback  I will keep everyone posted with the progress.

Cheers

Month 5 update

Dear all

I hope you and your family are well and safe in these uncertain times.

Today, I have completed exact 5 months since I got my HT done with Eugenix , New Delhi, India with the involvement of Dr Sethi, Dr Arika Bansal and the technicians.

Please see below the pictures which will give you an insight on my progress so far and comparison between month 4 and month 5.

As you can see, the transplanted hair is getting longer, giving an illusion of denser look. In terms of new hair, the parts which have been patchy are not seeing any new growth at this stage. There have been new tiny hair in some areas though which is a positive sign and provides some comfort and motivation.

My areas of concern right now are the mid frontal and the left temple. It is worrying but as many have suggested to give atleast 6 months, I still have another month to go. Being positive and patient but I have to admit that it is a very challenging part of the journey.

I would like to share my daily schedule that I believe will help the grafts to nourish and hopefully the ones in the dormant state can wake up too.

Daily schedule:

Diet

150gm protein- lean meat

Good carbs only

Good fats only

Homemade smoothie- Spinach, kale, apple, ginger, lime juice, mint leaf

3 litre water

Raw onions incorporated in diet and yes, I hate the smell

Exercise

5 km run- Sweat helps to open the pores and increase the blood circulation

Light weight lifting

Laying upside down for 3-5 minutes so the blood rushes to scalp

Hair care:

Revita shampoo

Massage scalp everyday- 3-5 minutes- Avacado oil

Cold water after shower. Read that blood rushes to scalp to keep the temp. warm, if cold water hits the head.

Vitamins and minerals:

2 x Hair burst

MSM- 1- 2 caps daily

 So if I ask myself, Am I happy right now? I would say not 100% as areas of concern have not seen any new growth apart from existing hair getting longer. Only Month 6 will tell how things pan out. However, it definitely looks denser due to the longer length of the hair.

I appreciate anyone following my progress and any comments, advice and suggestions are welcome.

Stay safe !!

Regards 

7 hours ago, Pyrat said:

@Looking for HT, it is the 22nd in India which is technically the correct 5 month mark because you were in the Indian timezone when you got it done.😁😁

Haha...Posting it shortly as wife just took pictures. 

15 hours ago, Pyrat said:

@Looking for HT, we’re almost at the 5 month mark. Hoping for a little transformation in your pictures.

Haha...Happy that you are following my progress and I will be waiting for your feedback. May 22nd and you can see how it looks now😃

2 hours ago, BaldingEagle1 said:

I think the reason why it’s taking a bit longer is no Fin. 
 

almost all of the results that the clinics posted are of patients taking fin. 
 

could the lurkers that posted their results on here, that went to Eugenix confirm this?

 

either way, from what I’ve been reading it seems the true results are form 8th month onward. I doubt you’ll see good growth on the 6 month mark. 
 

you can see the outline. So that is most definitely promising. 
 

patience my man, it’ll turn out good.

here’s to some more growth, OP!

Thank you very much for the motivation mate.

I am convinced that super results are from patients taking Finasteride as I havent come across anyone otherwise. 

In 2 days, Ill complete my 5 months and I will share my progress and strict regime.

I look forward to your advice/suggestions post May 22nd.

Cheers

1 minute ago, Badresults said:

@Looking for HT Yes I am from an Indian origin. I was also told by Indian contacts in India that I need to file a police report in India because this is a black mailing and harassment case. I can only do that when I travel to India once the world is back to normal now.

On the repair idea from Bhatti, I'm still wondering if he knew what he was talking about when he told me that he could fix this with my remaining available grafts which is 800. 

Sometimes some people really speak without using common sense

You know I would never be sure why results are not what they should be but reaching out to your employer is unforgivable.  I hope you get sorted.

Also, I would suggest to consult other reputable doctors. I wont take any names but do your research and reach out to them. You can use beard grafts too if needed.

Leaving the bad experience behind and moving forward will be good for you, considering what you have gone through.

14 minutes ago, Badresults said:

Yes, that is what I'm going to do once the lockdown is over in India. I have gotten in touch with the consumer rights department in India today. The complaint need to be lodge in India, since the procedure took place in India and his clinic is in India. 

Hey mate. Dont go to consumer court. Your case will linger for many years. Are you of Indian origin? File a complaint directly with the police and hire a solicitor.

Otherwise you wont have much luck.

Also, I dont understand how 800 grafts will repair the existing scenario 🤔

22 minutes ago, bruce90 said:

lol I know this is no laughing matter but Shera could work for the mafia. I bet he would be the perfect employee... I can imagine him threatening to break your legs if you ever said anything bad about Dr. Bhatti.

But in all seriousness stuff like this is what makes people afraid to do hair transplants in countries like India and Turkey. I believe Melvin was saying something in another thread about how Turkish clinics are notorious for trying to censor their own patients. Stuff like that doesn't sit well with me which is why I'm probably going to avoid going to any clinics in these countries.

Surely acting like a gangster until he meets someone who might put him in his place. However  I would disagree that every doctor in these countries are the same.

I had my HT done from India and will reserve my final review until 12 months are passed.

There is no way that my doctors in India were/are like this. I am getting all the help when needed.

I am grateful to this forum and Melvin for being transparent as people can do their research and decide whom to choose going forward.

I really hope the chap in question can move forward and find someone who can fix everything.

9 hours ago, California said:

Dear Forum Members,

I have been watching this thread and not commenting because Dr. Bhatti was handling the responses himself. But now, I have to jump in here. I have been the North America Rep for Dr. Bhatti for many years (way longer than the ex-UK Rep, Shera). I am also a Patient of Dr. Bhatti. I got my procedure done with him in 2011. My association with Dr. Bhatti goes back almost a decade. I researched him for almost a year before I decided to go with him for my HT Surgery. I have met Dr. Bhatti several times in person in India and in San Francisco, California. I have found him to be a wonderful human being, humble and well grounded. During one of our meetings in San Francisco about 5 years ago, I asked him why he was not taking advantage of his fame in the HT world and opening up franchise offices in the Indian metro cities such as New Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai etc. His response was straight, simple and to the point, "I live in Chandigarh. My Clinic is in Chandigarh. If I open franchise offices, I won't be able to perform those procedures myself. My goal is to do take care of all of my Patients myself. I make enough money and don't need to risk my reputation". It was a "wow" moment for me because I had floated a "business proposal" and his response was totally "non-business". I DO NOT need to defend Dr. Bhatti or his Clinic and say things to make him look good. I work with his Clinic on an "extremely part time basis". Thank God, I have a very successful career in the SF Bay Area and am extremely busy. I chip in here only when I can. The reason I spoke up now is that it seems so unfair that so many folks are trying to throw Dr. Bhatti under the bus for something that he never did. I am his Rep and if I make a bad decision/action, that should not be taken as Dr. Bhatti's "fault". Yes, it would be his responsibility to severe his ties with me if I really crossed the line. My fault cannot automatically be "judged" as Dr. Bhatti's fault. 

I have had the pleasure of working with hundreds of Dr. Bhatti Patients in the North America region for almost a decade now. I can confidently say that over 90% of those Patients have  been very happy with their procedure. There have been a few that were not happy and a very few that were very unhappy. For those Patients, I have tried my best to support as much as possible. Being a victim of 2 failed HT procedures myself (both in San Francisco area), I can relate to the pain of a failed HT procedure. Money is one factor here but the hopes that get dashed, hurt the most. Dr. Bhatti has always asked me to let the Patients know that we are always there to back them up and will never give up on them. 

Again, I am requesting folks that do not know Dr. Bhatti to not jump to conclusions. If I had to get another HT done (which I can't now because I ran out of my donor after 4 HT procedures), I would choose Dr. Bhatti as my HT Surgeon in a heartbeat. 

Take it as "marketing or salesy" pitch if you want......but from my side, it is nothing but heartfelt and honest truth. I thank you for your time and hope that you all stay safe during these tough times.

Best regards,

California

Are you saying that all the members on this forum should turn a blind eye inspite of what the person has gone through? 

I am not taking any sides but the doctor needs to take responsibility for Sheras actions and offer a refund atleast. This way the  man can decide his next steps and which doctor to choose.

Its not just a procedure but emotions are attached to how the results will pan out. If you say that Doc Bhatti is great and you may be right, the right thing would be to refund the person as surely he doesnt want to go back to rectify the procedure with Mr Bhatti.

On 5/16/2020 at 7:22 AM, Fluffhead said:

Just a mini update. Got my first haircut today, and finally got a good look at my donor. Gotta say that it looks almost untouched. Very impressed with @Eugenix Hair Science's work on the donor area. Super pro! 

This is amazing. Looks absolutely untouched 😃👌👌

1 hour ago, Pyrat said:

I as long as there’s somewhat regular progress, I wouldn’t worry too much. I think you’ll have a month or so with a massive transformation.

Hope your words come true 😊 Cheers

3 minutes ago, Pyrat said:

I’m just looking at the results on here which is posted by random and regular folks like us which should be a fair assessment of what the clinic puts out.

Your result should also come out to be great if all the grafts or most of the grafts take hold. It might just be talking a little longer is what I feel and hope.

Yeah Ill be so happy if all the grafts wake up. Being lazy bastards at the moment😂 but fingers crossed

1 hour ago, Pyrat said:

Waiting for it eagerly. Just spoke to Dr Arika again today and she was able to answer a lot of questions I had regarding my hairline and other general questions. @Eugenix Hair Science is also doing a lot of additional checks and preventive measures that should prevent patients and surgeons from contracting Covid 19 during these times. Waiting for the lockdown to be lifted to schedule my transplant.

In your case, could the grafts have been implanted a little deeper than normal which is probably why they’re taking a little longer to pop out. 

Sure mate. 8 days to go to complete 5 months.

I will take some clear pictures in day light so anyone interested can assess the progress.

Your question about the depth. Only doctors can answer that as you wont know yourself, how deep the grafts are being implanted. However, What I have read is that if they are implanted too deep, it will leave scars and I dont see any scarring.  I highly doubt that Eugenix would not know how deep to implant.

I am going to give 6 months and then decide what to think of. I am pretty hopeful that it should improve.

I didnt trim my transplant hair since my last post so its started to give an illusion of a little density but still long way to go.

Dont look at great results pictures and videos from the clinics. Take into consideration that mostly are like me so you can set up your expectations.