Kiwi Guy

1 minute ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I believe Rahal charges CAD which is why the prices are appealing to Americans. The conversion rate is good. However, not sure what the conversion would be for New Zealand I would imagine pretty close.

Thanks for replying so promptly Melvin, I appreciate that. Our conversion rate for Canada is quite good as well, whereas for the US it's ridiculously low and that is a big factor in why I'm seriously considering going with a Canadian surgeon such as H&W or Rahal over top US surgeons like Konior and Diep, especially as it pertains to FUE. Would love to keep picking the brains of the experienced posters such as yourself but I'm well aware this is about Johns questions and his journey so I'll wait my turn...

John you are asking the right questions and these guys are giving you some great answers. This site really does deserve a lot of credit for it's ability to inform those of us going through this hair transplant decision, kudos to you lot.

On 1/17/2019 at 12:42 PM, John Doe said:

I have had phone consultations with Tara from Rahal and a rep from H&W. Tara was really helpful and talked for about a half hour giving info and answering questions. Price is $8 per graft with H&W with a 10% discount. Price is $4.4 with Rahal (both USD). I was shocked by the price difference since both clinics do great work.  I was leaning towards Rahal before due to ease of travel. Still leaning towards them 

Great thread full of informative information from all these knowledgeable guys. Do both H&W and Rahal charge in USD for people outside of Canada?

Good question and intriguing to learn that there isn't actually a definitive answer to this.

On 1/17/2019 at 11:47 PM, petersmith said:

you can meet many of beard transplant surgeon in this days.. you should take some reviews and choose best beard transplant doctor..

the problem is many of the HT surgeons I'm thinking of going with based on the recommendation from these forums don't seem to have any beard results. I understand the main issue for us losing our hair is our scalps but I also want to strengthen my goatee during my first transplant so it's trying to find one that does both that I'm having an issue with.

Hey Spidey have you had any further hair loss since this operation with Dr Hasson?

13 hours ago, BeHappy said:

Here are a few from this forum. I know there are more.

 

 

 

 

thank you for posting specific examples BeHappy, that's extra informative.

No one with any insight into this?

4 hours ago, nick1111 said:

In my case for, it was 1500 grafts (FUT) + 1000 grafts (FUE) .

Thank you for the replies Nick, very informative, cheers.

I'm looking at the top surgeons on my list, most of which are recommended from this site, Konior, H&W, Rahal, Diep, Erdogan, and it doesn't look like any of them do beard creation or transplants. While my main concern is my receding hairline which I will be getting a HT for I am also wanting my mustache filled in and also the creation of a goatee... any of you gents know of any top surgeons that are known for this by any chance?

On 1/7/2019 at 6:54 PM, nick1111 said:

Hi Kiwi Guy,

Thanks.  As far as I remember, after extracting the FUT strip, technicians were dissecting the strip  and meanwhile  Dr K started extracting the grafts via FUE.  When all the extraction was done then doctor started implanted all the grafts. As per what I remember, Dr was also cognizant of the time as generally grafts have limited time after the extraction (but there are certain ways to retain the grafts as far as possible  without effecting the quality.). I personally didn't felt anything during surgery since was on Valium etc.

Hey Nick how many of your 2500 total grafts were removed just via the FUT? I'm wondering that because the size of your scar is really small so I'm assuming it was something like 1k or around abouts... any idea how many it was?

I'm still trying to decide between FUE and FUT and it's such a mixed bag of information I don't know which ones best tbh

6 minutes ago, Markee said:

No need to be sorry feel just fine zero symptoms been on thyroid meds now for just few months might see  

see some hair regrowth now that the meds got my levels back to normal is all  i can hope for 

Oh wow that's mint you've seen some regrowth since the meds, i just had my bloods done so im waiting to see if i come up with any similar issues

13 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Jean,

name calling is totally uncalled for, there’s no reason to behave in such an aggressive manner. I understand tensions are high and you may find some opinions disrespectful, but under no circumstance should you resort to cursing or name calling. That’s not how we conduct conversations or discussions on this forum. 

Everyone, I know there’s two sides, those of you who feel one way and those who feel another. I will be discussing the response with Bill and Pat, honestly I found his response yo be enlightening and what he said made sense. However, I would like to know about the other surgeons. Just so you know, we do not recommend clinics we recommend doctors. So, we don’t technically recommend ASMED clinic we recommend Dr. Erdogan, so anyone who is visiting our site and choosing Dr. Erdogan, should be having incisions made by Dr. Erdogan regardless. Also, it could be that those surgeons are very talented and may even end up being recommended at some point. We need more information. Be patient. 

Also, Payam how can I demand answers from Dr. Erdogan, when I’ve asked you now three times to update us with your progress and you’ve ignored me every time. How is this being fair?

 

Well put Melvin, good moderating.

11 hours ago, mhaider1991 said:

a Hypothyroid is an under active. Hyper is overactive. I believe both contribute to hair loss, but hypo is worse.

Yeah I've just been looking that up today... thanks for the info bro

Sorry to hear that Markee, I hear with a few lifestyle changes you can cure yourself of hypothyroidism though, you'll be fine.

On 1/6/2019 at 6:52 AM, mhaider1991 said:

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There are other conditions, such as hypothryoidism and Lupus that strongly contribute to hair loss. I suffer from conditions like this as well. One problem i DID make early on on my research was to believe that all of it was AGA. Hair loss is a bitch and many things can lead to it. However, AGA is 99% of the worlds reason for it. Unfortunatly for me, it's a small part of a list of other reasons why. However, with the right medication of these conditions and stable health (such as my psoriasis) my hair has been fairly consistent and much stronger.

Do you know if it is just hypothyroidism that contributes to hair loss or does an under-active thyroid also contribute in the same way?

This looks really good for 3 to 4 months. Congrats. Keep us posted.

1 hour ago, JeanLDD said:

Ok I’ll avoid using a certain persons name this time:

Someone who spends ten grand on a surgical procedure in a Turkey without reading a single patient review or questions whether a doctor is doing all surgical work when it isn’t explicitly mentioned anywhere and is actually implied otherwise is probably not worth taking seriously on their opinions of hair transplants, or anything of great importance at all for that matter. 

A person who does this and on top of that doesn’t believe in statistics, ignores them or doesn’t apply them universally is probably an idiot/dishonest person, and should be listened to with extreme skepticism.

A person who does this and doesn’t think it’s racist/sexist/ageist to keep mentioning “young Turkish girls” in a derogatory fashion, or that mentioning them as having low intelligence as racist is all the above plus a rather shitty person. Maybe someone should tell PFG FC that the the two hundredish mil they spent on Mbappe was all a waste, didn’t they realise he’s only 20 years old!? 

Add to that telling people on the other forum “you will be butchered” if you go to ASMED, yeah, it all does add up to a fairly shitty, dishonest, vindictive, and untrustworthy person that I wouldn’t recommend anyone take too seriously. Not mentioning names this time of course, because we are all being civil here, because of course telling people they will be “butchered” going to this clinic is oh so civil and reasoned.

If he mentioned them in this thread as having low intelligence then yes that is the point where your attacks on his character are valid. Disagreeing with his opinion on Asmed or his own hair transplant being subpar is not where your attacks hold legitimacy. You seem very worked up by this thread and reply to every comment he makes even though you believe his character is questionable... that seems like wasted energy.

1 hour ago, Gasthoerer said:

Why don't everyone calm down a little bit. No name calling, no racism, no absurd analogies and comparisons.

While the response of Erdogan was a little generic, there was still a lot of information in it.

- INFO about new doctors

- INFO about tech training and educational background

- INFO about the general medical setup during surgery

@Mick50 asked some resonable quesions (about the background of the new surgoens) which could be expanded towards more info about the education of the staff and so on.

Would be also interesting to hear, if the set-up is really as described by Erdogan. Maybe the newer patients can confirm it.

Agreed Gas'

Donor looks good actually. This is probably going to be a really good result from Asmed... congrats to you.

3 hours ago, JeanLDD said:

Everything you wrote is dogshit, dishonest and thoughtless garbage though. The problem is people like myself, Gas and Lordbaldwin offer detailed and fact based analysis and retorts and others like yourself ignore it all, and write more idiotic, dishonest and vindictive posts that aren’t helpful or accurate.

Look at Payam blatantly ignoring statistics or making numbers up. On top of the fact he rejects statistics, makes up numbers or says they don’t matter, ignores all bad results by top North American clinics, this is a guy that didn’t read a SINGLE patient review or ask any questions prior to spending ten grand on a procedure. He’s emphasized over and over he’s not of the intellectual capability to take seriously, problem is he screams like a child louder than anyone else and decides he’s always got to get the last word in, and ultimately if you scream loud enough even if it’s dishonest, childish and objectively false garbage people will listen and be influenced by it unfortunately. Read his initial posts, or those saying the procedure “ruined my life”  on the other forum or that others who go there will be “botched”, he’s either dishonest or not of sound mind, my bets on both. 

I’ve had multiple Rahal patients message me this week about problems with growth and graft angles, there was a period within, 2016-2017 where there were more bad FUE results from them than I’ve seen in total from Erdogan. From both the major Canadian surgeons I’ve seen necrosis cases, of course no one talks about any of this or mentions their bad growth cases simply because they’re North American. Funny enough both of these clinics use techs too. The people that are pretending that ASMEDS yields are not as consistent as other top clinics are flat out ignoring statistics, haven’t done ANY research on hair transplants or are just plain dishonest.  I am not bashing these clinics either, both are among about 10 globally that id ever consider going to, however they aren’t magically free from bad results, and they’re easy to find.

When you’re saying that people responding to you should stop and only your opinion deserves to go without scrutiny, you’ve lost the the argument, however you have made a good case for yourself being a logically illiterate narcissistic piece of shit though.

People who have personal experience with the clinic and have talked to them and questioned about their process know that Payam makes things up, this isn’t an agree to disagree situation,  why does it make sense that he should constantly bump the thread and write dishonest or objectively ill considered and statistically false comments which will ultimately influence people, just because he wins the war of who last commented.

Bro are you calling me a piece of shit or Payam? Because if it's me, frankly, you should apologize... it's completely unjustified. Explain to me what is vindictive about my opinion? Other then my endless studying into all of these results, including Erdogan's, I have nothing vested in these clinics so it's impossible for me to have a vindictive bone in my body for Asmed. My opinion is based on the number of cases I have read on here and on other forums of the mixed results from this particular clinic... I would also say the same about a few other clinics who have constantly mixed results if they were to come up as well. You can show your immaturity by calling people idiots and whatnot because they see the average results Asmed have had posted on the net in the last year but you can't change the fact that we can and will see them and have the right to have an opinion on those results. I'm actually going through a lot of research to find the right surgeon so in fact my opinion isn't without merit, sure it's not as experienced as yours at this point but that does not make it any less valid in its own right. What I stated is simply from evidence I have, not just made up stats etc, I've read a number of poor case results from Asmed that I have seen on this forum and a couple of others, just within the last year or so, it's not a good sign. As I stated *previously* all clinics have a few average results but the fact is for the eye to see... due to the Asmed doing so many hair transplants everyday they have a higher yield (see what I did there) of average results that have been posted online, it's simple mathematics. I understand you had a good result, congrats, I think I commented on your post months ago in regards to it but you seem so worked up about this situation you attacked me for my mere opinion on him needing to move on and chalk it up to an average result. His result plus a number of other average to poor Asmed results I have read on the net has helped me take Erdogan off my list of surgeons I will be going with... explain to me what is wrong with that and what gives you the right to have a go at me? I have even advised the guy to stop the constant posting in this thread and others with negative things to say about Asmed... and yet you ignored that and attacked my opinion?

I'm disappointed in you as a senior member of this forum talking to me and even Payam like that, it's not in keeping with the etiquette of this place. Grow up bro you are better than that.

5 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Payam,

How about posting an update of your results. Everyone is assuming your results are bad, but really you haven't posted an update in quite some time. I think in fairness you should post some pictures of the front, left, right and top down angle. I would also include the crown since you had grafts put in the crown. You are a week shy of 10 months if I am not mistaken.

In the end, I hope that you will try not to focus on the negative and perhaps focus on remedying or improving your situation. Whether it's through another surgery or SMP and shave, whatever it is that you choose I hope that you ultimately find happiness.

Melvin makes good points here regarding the thread needing an update on your progress as well, has it thickened up any more?

I worry that the scalp and hairs being extracted from the donor on day 2 will be under huge shock from day 1 and may not take as well, does anyone know if there is any legitimacy to this notion?

... And stop arguing back and biting to every single post that doesn't agree. Stop going in to every Erdogan thread and rubbishing the results. Not because you don't have the right to or aren't justified because of your less than stellar personal experience with the clinic but because bro, it's not helping YOUR situation. People across all of these forums know at this point going to Asmed is cheaper but also risks a much higher chance of a subpar result due to all the aforementioned things such as the number of surgeries, the attention to detail or lack thereof, the techs being more aesthetically pleasing to the eye then their actual HT results at times and whatnot, etc etc etc. The fact the clinic has these types of threads going on every major hair loss forum is proof that something isn't right and needs to be addressed, that's the one thing no one can dispute. You don't see the top clinics having these ongoing threads about them and you don't see them with multiple concurrent discussions regarding their mixed results. Every clinic has average and even poor results, but the point is that the top ones have very few of these compared to their good ones, Asmed does a lot more HT's per day so they have a lot more cases of good and bad, it just is what it is. I suggest you stop biting back though you are turning people against you and that isn't going to help you in a time when you need support and guidance. Relax bro... you've made your point and threads like yours serve a purpose... for me personally who is within a year of choosing his HT surgeon results like yours are why I WILL NOT spend my money with Erdogan and Asmed... bottom line.

At this point you have heard it all Payam, the good, the bad... let me just say... I am disappointed in the result you've received and the bottom line is it should have been better for the money you are paying. If you had chosen a surgeon like Konior or H&W the likelihood you would have received a better result is quite substantial which speaks to the fact that sadly a. you get what you pay for and b. Asmed has become a transplant mill which focuses on numbers in and out the door as opposed to quality and focus one to one on each individuals case. This is apparent with the fact you get a roughly 15 minute examination by Erdogan before your surgery and you may not see him again the entire time, that's really just appalling treatment and turns the patient into a number on a conveyor belt. Those that have had good results with him or have vested interest in the clinic keeping it's reputation from 2017 will obviously dispute this and they have every right to but the sketchy results I've read on this forum alone over the last year really speak volumes for the inconsistency this particular clinic now has. 

Bro all you can do now is accept the subpar result and plan for the future. Chalk this up to a mistake in the surgeon you chose and focus on finding the right one who is going to fill in all the gaps Asmed left, this will be easily done by any clinic with a good track record, you know the ones. Use this as a learning experience and a teaching for your next procedure which will give you the full and desired result you wanted when you went in the first time. Try not to dwell on what has already happened because at this point it will only further cause you stress and anxiety and will not be good for the health of your hair or your person as a whole. You got this bro... start focusing on the next move... this is chess not checkers.