Kiwi Guy

Awesome result. congrats man.

By any chance do you remember the name of your techs?

2 hours ago, Dazed said:

Upsall

I didn't use the recommended doctors on here.  The first time in 2011 was Dr. Tim Love in OKC and the 2nd time in 2018 it was Dr. Junaid Syed at the Orlando Hair Clinic in Orlando.  I went the cheap route both times, and have no regrets.  I might post pictures at the one year mark 09/10/2019 if I think about it.  I am in the process of growing my hair out and changing hairstyle to go along with a full beard.  It is looking pretty good so far.  My interest in this site is quickly waning as I got what I was looking for, and I doubt that I will do anything else.  I have very little advice to offer here because guys are looking for answers to things I am not up on.  There are enough guys who know a lot more than I do so I just fade away.

Congrats Dazed, that's the feeling we are all looking for

17 hours ago, Panamera13 said:

This is the result I would hope for; the pic is form Asmed. I, however, do not see any such results from H&W/Rahal/Koinor.

What do you guys think - Is my current hairloss situation same as this guy in his "before" pics?

It's similar, that's a good result from Dr Erdogan... I would say most HT doctors deal with cases of diffused thinning

23 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I didn’t experience any shock loss, but keep in mind my hair was pretty bad, so maybe I didn’t notice. It looked terrible before and terrible after until I started seeing growth. 

I remember you stating you have had two procedures, how many grafts in total have you used for your coverage?

3 hours ago, Gigantass said:

I am taking both daily.  I have been on fina for 4 years approximately.  I had HT (all in the front, check my posts) in 2017, Hasson, and wanted more fullness in the crown.  I replaced the fina with duta about 6 months ago, daily, and experienced loss.  

So I started fina again after about 2 months, proscar split in 4, so approx 1.25 daily, with the dutasteride daily.

Im experiencing little to no loss now, and no hairs on my pillow in the morning!

Ive read that people take fina daily, with a one time weekly dose of duta, would that be sufficient?  anyone else share my experience?

any side effects?

5 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

My hair was 99% diffused, you have to manage expectations. My hair still has thin spots and looks thin when wet or greasy. 

 

Ok so a lot of Dr Dieps work on you during your procedures were in-between and around miniaturizing and weak hair and now your density looks really good... that gives hope to pessimism a bit. Did you experience shock loss and if so how much?

5 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I put the closed captioning on lol

Totally forgot they had that function, shows how much I use Youtube lol... #fail

Erdogans clinic has some advanced technology for mapping the head and density etc, I wonder how in handy this type of tech comes in the end, probably not a lot.

Wow this is such an awesome result, you took the long term route and it has worked out fantastic, Melvin always talks about something called 'hair greed', I think at this point any more surgeries on you for awhile would be just that lol, what an awesome issue to have hahaha, congrats bro and hats off to your doc!

Yes it does look discoloured, you aren't going crazy, but it's so early on give the entire area another 3 or 4 months to heal and hopefully it disappears, worst case scenario it lingers but you have a stronger head of hair to cover it.

This site is far from perfect but compared to the other ones I'm on it's the most helpful and up to date of any of them. Honestly life is one big business... if they are making some side money from it, big deal. As long as we get truthful, no bullshit results posted by surgeons and have the right to be open and honest I don't see an issue... if the transparency and realness of the site gets compromised that's when we all have an actual problem.

Does the 'extracellular matrix' or acell as I've seen described by other clinics make the world of difference for these results or would PRP on it's own do the same job?

Yeah the new clinic looks good, I wish I knew what they were saying throughout lol

19 hours ago, bonkling said:

Hey mate,

Just wondering how one would know if they have diffused thinning? Is it simply an extended rate of shedding, more or less?

Thanks

Hey bro,

Basically if you run your hands through a certain area of your head and you feel that the hairs on the portion feel weaker and thinner than yeah it's most likely diffuse thinning, it's thinning and dying before it falls out realistically, take a look at Panamera's example of his own, that's the way diffuse thinning goes.

3 hours ago, harry_potter1 said:

I didn't have a HT yet, so take whatever I say with grain of salt.

Diffuse hair loss is obviously bad, but tbh it is also what most people are destined to have as NW5 or NW6 sooner or later. Rarely seen a person who stopped losing hair at NW3 for example. 

There is plenty of good results posted here and around the web. H&W for example are good in this, doing up t 8K surgeries IIRC although that is rare. Many FUE surgeries are done with decent to very good results, like with Asmed etc 

You need to do your search and be comfortable with you are going with, also you need to decide your goals.

For example, some consider HT about hairline, so many clinics in Turkey will give you perfect hairline, temple area but weak coverage in the rest. Hattingen on other hand usually do a conservative hairline in comparison but stronger overall coverage, So that is up to you to decide. 

Yep you are right, you hardly ever see people stop at NW3, if I was going for a surgery where the amount of grafts I needed were around 3k plus I'd only go for FUT, FUE seems to be better for the short term but if you are going to have extensive hair loss over your life you need every graft you can, also you are right about the hairline thing... for me personally I'd rather have density and keep my hairline at where it is which is pretty high as is anyway... good post Harry.

10 hours ago, Panamera13 said:

I have higher degree of diffused thinning and I had my consult with H&W recently who said I can get decent results with 3500 grafts. I have Rahal consultation coming up as well so let's see what they say.

I was on FIN but stopped (or rather sabbatical) two weeks ago because of side effects, Now Lipogaine and laser cap. My plan would be to take FIN before and after the HT to ensure no shock loss but eventually I want to get off of FIN.

Thank you for posting an example pic Pan, that is awesome, yes my diffuse thinning is starting to become like yours on my frontal third, none of the meds seem to be working anymore, I am also considering H&W for their strong results, keep us updated and I hope when you do go for it you get a stellar result mate!

Edit: Oh and you should seriously consider the FUT route if you keep your hair that long at the sides, it will hide the scar, you'll get stronger results, have more donor hair for the future and less chance of transection, something to consider.

11 hours ago, hairlossPA said:

in the same boat as you kiwi... obviously still sticking it out on fin but eventually I’ll need to come to this decision myself. And this was a question I had well before I had seen my results from fin.

I think ultimately it comes down to choosing a surgeon you trust the most. If you don’t act on it, it will never get better. would you rather not doing anything about it and wonder what if? I am in the mindset to tell/ask my surgeon to act like he’s working with a clean scalp with no hair. because eventually you need to realize that native hair won’t be there

Hey PA, yeah you are right, that's what it comes down to... would you rather not do anything about it and wonder if... exactly.

19 hours ago, spex said:

It’s a very difficult question to answer as everyone’s situ is different . 

Be prepared for shock loss. It could be temp but could be perm as depends on strength of hair! 

Taking finasteride to help strength situation is advisable as the stronger and more resistant you can make your native hair that you plan to HT into and around the better. 

 

Also so skill of the surgeon helps too !! 

Regards

spex 

Thanks spex, always appreciated, yeah I've pretty much come to the conclusion you stated, prepare for shock loss... it just makes it seem like a HT is pointless if you have diffuse thinning on your frontal third because it just means that hair is going to fall out and it's going to look sparse just with the transplanted hair.

Is it a good idea?

Any of you have diffused thinning and went and got a hair transplant?

The more I research into HT's and the industry as a whole it seems like the worst situation to have is diffused thinning on the top because you can have a HT to help restore some density but sooner or later, even with fin etc, you are destined to lose the other native hair sitting by the transplanted hair. This is my situation and it's making me second guess getting any work done.

3 hours ago, bonkling said:

Hi all,

About to consult with a few docs, and was wondering what you would do in my situation - just to get some second opinions from this valued forum.

• I'm 28, NW 2/3. Started noticing temple recession about 3 years ago, but may have started earlier. 
• Been on finasteride (Propecia) & minoxidil for about two years, seemed to have slowed the recession, and given minor new recruitment in temple regions.
• Family history: Father's side, all bald, or a NW 6/7. Older brother is a NW 5/6. Mother's side =  not much balding really.

I'm debating whether I:

a) Go unshaven at the front, and just get a couple thousand grafts to fix the temples and lower the hair line a little. I'm conscious on not going too aggressive, as I may need many more grafts down the track. 

~or~

b) Get more grafts further back as a preventative to cover the hair that I haven't lost yet. 

For reference, I am considering Dr. Lupanzula, Dr. Kesser (if graft estimate is low enough), or Dr. Sethi at Eugenix - as these doctors have quite a few patients with a similar NW pattern. I'm living in New Zealand, so I'm going to travel regardless.

Eager to hear your thoughts, and the input is greatly appreciated

Thanks! 

Note: Some of these pictures seem a bit better than how it appears in person, without the remainder of my face for contrast.

Hey man, I'm in New Zealand too and seriously considering a transplant, my temples are creeping back and I'm thinning in the middle, it's a pain with the exchange rates to get a transplant because it costs us so much more, is price much of a factor to you? If you got a transplant I'd say it would be 1500 to 2000 grafts to fill in the temple recession and possibly to bring the hairline down a half inch or so, the hair you have looks strong though which is a good sign for you.

2 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

In my opinion, if you were 38 and not on any hair loss medication and your hair loss was stabilized, I would say go for it....but, since you’re 28 on meds and it’s not clear how much more your hair loss would progress down the road, I’d say don’t go for it just yet, your hair looks good for your current age even with the thinning temples, maybe a try a hairstyle/cut with shorter hair on your sides/back and keep the top long see if that helps any. 🙂

Oh, and yeah, I’d be concerned with any possible permanent shock loss in areas you have hair already that are in process of miniaturization.

Wow, so shock loss can be permanent? I always thought it grew back in 3 or 4 months

Hang in there man, do not let this take you down, the way I see it you have a partner and you have a good beard so you don't need to be out there searching for females or anything, worst case scenario is you grow the beard out, get some scalp micropigmentation and shave your head to look like you have that short haired strong beard look. Get the micropigmentation to help disguise the HT scar and rock out bro. Don't let the vanity shit destroy your life... be strong.

Starting to look good mate, wait until it grows in around the 9 month mark, I bet it looks full!

6 hours ago, RecessionProof said:

I’m not too worried, there have been lots of recent accounts of him performing marathon sessions going into the evening. 

In my case I’m just getting 2000ish grafts, so it’s probably less of a concern to me than most 

Is he still doing all the extractions, incisions an placements by himself or is he using techs now? If he is doing all that by himself in his mid 60s he's a beast!

On 2/19/2019 at 5:51 AM, hairlossPA said:

7.5 month update:

Feeling a little down these past couple of months. I'm still constantly shedding a lot. Nowhere near the hair and density I had in November. Still pushing through each day and hoping things turn around eventually. Hoping that all these hairs I'm losing come back by summer time. Like many that go through hair transplants, it usually gets worse before it gets better...

General question to the community: I know as miniaturization happens, the growth phase is cut shorter and shorter, but does the telogen get cut shorter as well? Or, when the hair sheds, will it always take about 3 months to start a new hair? I'm trying to calculate when hairs I lost in November and December should be growing back.

Hey bro, yeah trust me this is normal, I remember when I first started on fin the hair loss slowed down, I have been using it consistently for the last 6 years and my hair is consistently falling out, it's a depressing feeling, knowing something works like fin but also knowing it doesn't stay as effective as it once was the longer you choose to use it, the body adapts to it and fights back at it with more force, so you are taking generic fin right? So was I, just recently switched to DUT to see if it halts the hair fall, have you ever thought of going on name brand fin/ propecia? I've read that the name brand version can be more effective... also a lot more expensive though. Hang in there mate.

9 minutes ago, RecessionProof said:

Thanks, I’m planning on documenting my procedure pretty extensively in the tradition of all the great Konior threads in the past

Awesome mate... I hope it goes great for you! The one thing that worries me about Konior is his age, like anything wouldn't someone become less skilled and tire out quicker as they get older? Maybe I'm wrong