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14 minutes ago, BenChod said:

How much was the  cost?

Hattingen costs are on the website and are transparent 

1 hour ago, HTHope said:

@Melvin-Moderator

whats the formal process for getting a doctor/clinic removed from the recommended list? Is there some type of community voting? I heard in the past this happened with a Turkish doctor here and I’m curious regarding the process. Thanks

They won't do it because they pay to be on the recommended list

52 minutes ago, giegnosiganoe said:

1. Do previous FUT scars indicate what future FUT scars will look like?

2. Can you test this by doing a small FUT strip, such that it wouldn't look that bad even you were a bad healer?

3. Has anyone ever done this?

If you go to a top clinic, you don't have to worry about about scarring unless you are an outlier and have especially poor genes for scarring but this will be such a low % of the population. Mine is a pencil line. Where are you considering?

In theory, you could yes. However, your scalp will no longer be virgin and I do not think this small insight outweighs the benefit of working on a virgin scalp. 

All else being equal, yes it should be an indicator. i.e. if you go to the same clinic and have a similar sized or smaller procedure as the first time, then yes. Different clinic etc. maybe but not as clear cut as there are other factors at play.

Feller and Bloxham have a video on their website of work they did on a black patient. They did several small FUTs essentially cut from different parts of the scalp. The result was good. I suppose this is the nearest thing I have seen to what you are suggesting. The patient was a special case though. As I said, if you go to a decent clinic then you will have no issues with the scar. Again, where are you considering?

21 minutes ago, agassi99 said:

I already did, just want to get some second opinions

Which doctor and what did they say your donor was? 5000+ in one go will be pushing it and you will need to have very good laxity for this to happen. I had 4400. I disagree with needing 4 operations. You can do two FUT megasessions and you will be fine. You could look at H&W in North America and Hattingen in Europe, depending where you are based, as these are probably the best two clinics in the world for FUT megasessions. If you look at my thread, I had one mega session, at Hattingen, and the result is good. However, your hair is quite fine, especially in comparison to mine, and you may not get the same result. I echo what others say about not looking at other people online and expecting your result to be the same when you may not share characteristics with that person. This is what happens with the Spanish clinic results - Spanish hair is perfect for transplants.

Depends on skills of the surgeon and blood flow to the area but I would bank on at least some for up to 6 months.

3 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

Rich enough to have ASMED plastered around the entire last El Clasico game. That's serious money for sure.

Completely agree

4 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

Maybe, but that fact that it's even being mentioned around the subject just seems odd quite frankly. 

But I don't think it was mentioned. That's my point!

20 minutes ago, jonnyalex said:

Honestly that's a pretty childish thing to say Melvin. I don't have anything against the Doctor. He is actually one of the best in the world. It's the way in which he operates that ensures patients don't receive his expertise. Instead it is about maximising profits above all. I went to ASMED because of this forum years ago. I am dealing now with incorrect hair direction various other issues caused by techs barely out of their teens operating on me and Koray Erdoğan having barely any involvement. It was a year after my surgery I begin seeing complaints not just here but all over the Internet. 

According to you however, I simply don't like the doctor which is why I speak negatively towards him.

It is not just ASMED but all of Turkey's hair transplant industry which has pretty much contaminated the industry worldwide. The fact that your even mentioned banning me in the same sentence is very telling however. Go ahead if that's how you want to be.

I literally mention in what you are responding to, why I use this forum. 

Also, offering SMP which can sometimes last barely a year does not recompense a destroyed donor area. I don't know how you could think that.

 

 

Whilst I agree with your general point, I don't think he ever mentioned banning you - either explicitly or implicitly.

11 minutes ago, jonnyalex said:

10,000 per month? Is this true?

Oops no! That is a typo. Correcting now. It is about 1000 net. It is 1600 minus a discount for putting the forum logo on the clinic's website minus a discount for posting results regularly.

Corrected!

I don't think it is awful but it is very few grafts in a large area. However, it is too early to say what the final result will be (mine looked shit at 5 months and then by 9 months looked amazing). That said, I do think the finishing density will be about the same as the rest of your head so will look consistent and natural. Once it has fully grown our at the 12 month mark, you can plan for a second one if that is what you want.

59 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

As far as I’m aware, every single patient is offered a touch-up. From what I was told they offered dust78 smp for the donor if it doesn’t improve. To me that’s standing by the patient. Not standing by the patient would be ignoring them, and refusing to help in anyway. 

Sure there are people like @jonnyalex who constantly denigrate this forum, because he doesn’t like this doctor. Never once have I censored him or told him not to voice his opinion. If he wants to believe were all about money, not sure why he returns, guess we must be of some value for him to come back. 

Anyways, I’m tired of this being the asmed show. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I’m sharing my own opinion, with proof that recent results have been good and some even outstanding. I don’t think its fair to only validate unhappy patients, and ignore happy patients. We should take everything into account, the good, bad, and ugly. That’s all I’m saying. 

Not really Melvin - there are a few posts from people like @miko but you always conveniently ignore them. I have also never seen you address the point about the law suits. Going with ASMED is Russian Roulette and I would extend that to Turkey overall but as they pay the site 1k a month for recommendation, they will be protected. 

My advice - avoid Turkey. Save up longer if you need to. Stay in the First World too - you are in Europe and have access to some of the best clinics in the world. Turkey is the Wild West as there is no legal framework to protect you - @Portugal25 has made the point well and I don't see the point in repeating it. Look at all the botched jobs that are mentioned on here - the overwhelming majority are all from people cutting corners going to Turkey and India etc. to save a few quid. The UK clinics are shite and overpriced too. 

Save up longer and go to a decent clinic with a solid reputation. If this goes wrong, your 5 grand is going to then have to be another 10 grand when you go to one of the clinics that you are avoiding because of cost this time round. So you will end up paying over the odds anyway and have a depleted donor. Have you thought about FUT? It is cheaper.

18 hours ago, gillenator said:

If it were me, I would not do anything right now especially if your wedding date is that close from now...please let me explain.

IMHO your hairline does not look that bad yet your concern is having your hairline lowered and filled in, correct?

Since that area is barren of hair, it will take several sessions for the barren area to build enough density for it to look natural...although there is a gap in your present hairline, there is still good density in what you currently have...this is why it will take more grafts to make the visual transition look more natural and aesthetically pleasing.

And remember, when grafting a new hairline placement, single hair grafts must be used...it will take a very large number of grafts to accomplish this or it will not look natural.

Perhaps..... Overall I disagree though. We don't know by how much he wants it lowering and to be honest, I don't think it will require several sessions to do it. He can just go to a clinic that does megasessions anyway if it really will require a lot of grafts, which I am not convinced it will. He does need to choose wisely and get it right first time given that the wedding is a year away though.

5 hours ago, det9925 said:

Wat about Harris Hair Transplant, Seen some pretty good results from them, They are located in the UK

Never heard of them. I'd say avoid. There is basically no good clinic in the UK. Reddy is ok but overpriced. 

I think apart from the hairline you look good. Are you fixed on FUE or would you do FUT? Do not go in the UK - you can either get an AMAZING hair transplant on the Continent for the same price (probably cheaper actually) or you can get an equally as mediocre one for a lot cheaper. 

Is it FUE or FUT you want? Out of those two, Eugenix and Konior, I would 100% go with Konior as you said price isn't the factor guiding your decision.

You look well for 39 - congrats.

I'd agree with @CosmoKramer but the best thing you can do is email some respected and ethical clinics with photos and maybe have a few online consultations via Skype.

On 4/27/2020 at 5:57 PM, JEDS said:

Hey,  Which clinics do people advice on in NYC. I have met with a couple of surgeons in NYC a few months ago. I'm happy to travel once lock down resumes but any advice on New York Drs as in ideal world like stay close to home for obvious reasons.

BR

JED  

 

I'd go with @Dr Blake Bloxham regularly posts on here, one of the few doctors that respects the supposed rule of posting work regularly and his results are consistently good.

I don't see how puncturing the scalp and pushing the follicle up would be scarless? You are still puncturing the scalp.

If around the 8-9 mark the donor hasn't improved, then you should be concerned but 4 months is too soon. It all looks on track so far IMO

You are in great hands with Dr Bloxham

Not sure where to begin with this. I will work backwards.

1) Any clinic that charges you according to how much they think you are worth is not ethical and therefore you should avoid them. You will get a bad result, either short-term or long-term but it will be a bad result.

2) I would avoid Turkey and Mexico fullstop. They have no reliable ethics boards and it is basically the Wild West in countries like this. I have heard of Dr Nader and he may be an exception but I haven't seen his work to comment one way or the other. I would err on the side of caution and avoid.

3) Europe does the best graft to cost ratio (outside of the third world) for FUE. Check out Belgium.

4) What is your actual budget? I am not sure if you are saying it is $4000-6000 because I missed the point you were making. 12,000 USD is about 10,000 euros which is about 2000-2500 grafts worth I would say (in Europe) for FUE including flights, food and hotel etc. That is not a ridiculous price. It sounds like you are willing to risk the quality of the result to save money. Do not do this. You will very quickly change your mind about how good you want the result to be when you have a shitty, unnatural hairline which is what everybody sees when they look at you. Then you will be going to one of these apparently overpriced clinics to get a repair job which will use more precious grafts and in the end have cost twice as much. We see it all the time. It is only minimal liability if you go to Turkey or Mexico. EU, Canada and US have rules to protect you and this is also why you should go to an ethical clinic. Which aren't cheap. 

5) In the US and Canada you are spoilt for choices. Hasson and Wong are arguably the best clinic in the world. Konior is amazing. Dr Bloxham has been doing excellent work too and contributes to this forum in person quite a lot. However, I have not seen Konior FUE and Dr Bloxham is an FUT clinic (technically they offer both but in practice for the majority of customers they will only offer you FUT). There is at least 1 clinic recommended on this site in the US that I would definitely avoid. Admittedly though, my knowledge of American clinics is limited as I was never going to go there (or even leave Europe) for my transplant so I didn't research them.

6) How do you even know you are a good candidate for FUE? If you are basing that on your preference and the recommendation of Turkish and Mexican clinics who probably only offer FUE anyway, I would be skeptical. Post photos here or get in touch with clinics who offer both procedures so they can give you an impartial opinion. FUT is cheaper too, which appears to be a factor for you. . 

13 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I don’t believe that FUT is the way to go, honestly the beat thing to do is to either get smp to camouflage the scarring, or get another FUE to blend the rest of the donor.

Do you not think that taking a strip out of the scar tissue with the aim of reducing the amount of scar tissue and not to extract grafts from would work? This would reduce the size of the problematic area and then he could then FUE the top and then SMP/BHT the donor?

10 minutes ago, tressful11 said:

After what was done to me, I am so scared that I wouldn't even think of going to anyone other than the top internation surgeons for a repair. I am slowly trying to collect money but it might take me years.
What do you think someone like Dr. Hasson and Wong or Dr. Konior would charge for a repair case?  
The recipient zone is badly destroyed too. So it's going to be a full repair including hairline. Do you have a very rough idea of the cost?

Hi! Wise decision. I am not sure what they would charge to be honest. I was never going to leave Europe for my procedure so I know more about the European market but this is an American-centric forum and I am sure more people will be along soon to help you out with them. They are both amazing clinics though, I can tell you that. If I had to guess, I would say they will remove as much scar tissue as possible and then close the wound (leaving you with an FUT scar but this won't yield many grafts) and then use those grafts plus FUE ones to repair your hairline so this won't be a small procedure. I then think you will need to have SMP or body/beard hair transplanted into your donor so you are probably looking at two procedures to completely fix this.

I would suggest you really take a look at Feriduni. I have seen some excellent repair jobs from him and he has a current repair job posted on this forum not long ago by somebody. If I remember correctly, he actually has some sort of scheme for repair job patients, but I think this may be for burn victims etc.  Hattingen have also done a repair job on here recently but I haven't seen all that many from them overall.

Those four clinics I mentioned are amongst the world's elite, IMO, so you can't go wrong with any of them. I would email them all with photos and an explanation and see what they get back to you with in terms of practicalities and cost and then take it from there. An email is free and at least then you are getting expert advice and not just advice from non-doctors (like me) on this forum. Another point is, given your situation and the fact COVID-19 has probably meant a lot of cancellations, it may be worth asking if a discount would be available (but diplomatically). I am not sure how likely it is, but it is worth a shot.

Please do let us know how it goes and good luck!

I am very sorry this has happened to you. Is your budget enough to leave India? If so, I would contact the top FUT surgeons and clinics with experience in repair jobs and ask them for their opinion. I would guess they won't be able to extract many grafts because the donor has been left so sparse. However, they may be able to remove some of the scarring so the area does not look as bad. You can then try SMP in the donor like some others have suggested to give it an appearance of fullness. Alternatively, instead of SMP, maybe look at getting body/beard hair put into the donor after another procedure. Not a good situation overall. I may have missed it but did you post any pictures of the recipient? Was the transplant a success in that regard at least?

Europe: Feriduni (I have seen quite a few successful repair jobs from him); and Hattingen
North America: Hasson and Wong; and Konior

Others may add to the list.

If you do not have access to the funds to go international for this, your options are a bit limited. I think the only clinic I would consider in India is Eugenix but if it is possible, I would rather save money and go abroad if I were honest. 

31 minutes ago, Jimbo85 said:

Where is Mr Know it all? Not here today.. 

Thank you for the others who have offered help and kept things above the table. I"m going to use this forum but TBH the fact a moderator ignored the tactic of a forum poster and allows people to conduct themselves in such a manner doesn't sit well with me. Sorry if this doesn't sit well but from a new poster appreciate where I am sat as its just eggy.

Jim

Above table? Tactic? You seem to be under the impression that I am working for a clinic or have some ulterior motive. If you had gone with one of your horrendous choices of clinic and then posted pictures on here of a shit or mediocre result, would you feel happy if somebody use you as an example on a public forum of how not to do a transplant? I don't think you, or almost anybody else would. I certainly wouldn't and this is why I sent it to you as a private message. It is then common courtesy to keep the conversation as such or reply and say you don't want to have a private message. You could of course use the fact he has been happy to have it on the website of the surgeon and so cannot complain if he is used as an example, but he probably did that thinking he had got a good result. 

Your attitude overall is pretty shitty too. You came on here clearly having done no research at all on clinics and the ones you did cite are awful. I and other forum members have tried to give you solid advice about not where to go but where to get consultations so you can start making informed decisions about where to get your transplant done, if you go for one in the end and you have reverted to insinuations and name calling. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.