TrixGlendevon

1 minute ago, 1978matt said:

About 750 each side for the first option and 500 for the second.

Thanks for your comment. 1500 is too much I think. 800-1000 might be ok if the clinic thinks they can still get a good result with the density. As the others have said, I need to discuss it with my doctors but I want to have an informed chat with them which is why I am collecting opinions now. Appreciate your comment!

1 hour ago, hairlossPA said:

I think you could do the second drawn blue line with 300-400 grafts on each side totalling 800. Obviously the major difference between the 2 blue lines are where they connect at the temple which is a big area

Yeah that was approx. what I thought but I had no basis to estimate it on. Thanks!

1 hour ago, Alterego said:

Dear all,

Thank you very much for your very honest opinions. It is very clear now that I am not a candidate for HT. I’ll use that money for a trip to some amazing place (after this tremendous crisis).

If I may, I would like to clarify 3 doubts:

- Beard to head is an option?
- SMP is temporary? If so, for how long?
- Is there any way to fix or mitigate the retrograde alopecia? What is the root cause for retrograde alopecia?

Thanks in advance.

1) Yes. Body hair too. I doubt you will have enough to make it worth it though. You have got 1500 approx in your donor and you will then need about another 4500 from beard and body hair. I just don't think it is worth it. That is for the top of your head too - it will look weird having hair on the top of your head and then the back of your head having very little hair because of the retrograde alopecia. That doesn't happen in nature. I honestly don't think you are a candidate sorry. If they invented graft cloning in the future, then yes, definitely. Until then, sorry.

2) Depends. I haven't looked into it a lot but from what I have seen, it goes a kind of greenish tint after a couple of years and you need to have it redone. I am not sure if that is all the inks, one in particular or indicative of a bad job though. 

3) Genes. Yes, fin may stop it, or slow it down at least. However, this is not guaranteed and the effects don't last forever and there are risks involved in taking it. Look up post-finasteride syndrome. Testosterone is an important hormone within the endocrine system and there are consequences to playing about with it. Most people on here are not doctors and even the doctors are not endocrinologists (neither am I) so I am always amazed at how sure people are with their prescription of this drug without i) having any medical knowledge and ii) having seen your medical history or done tests (bloodwork etc).

58 minutes ago, Niko1 said:

I know your hairline hair is all Transplanted and Solid. The native hair in the mid-scalp is Not, and could Fall off, your Lateral Humps could Miniaturise, your Crown could Shrink. Its Important Imo to have some hair in the bank for Hair Loss in the Unforeseeable Future.  The first Pic shows About 25cm to cover. With 35-40 gratfts per cm you will Require, around 850-1000 grafts in total. Although its just a rough Guess, Best to get a Professional Opinion from a Physician. All the Best 

Yes you are right but I think that hair will have gone by now anyway to be honest, and there wasn't that much to begin with. I can see from my dad the pattern I will have - it is exactly the same. Of course you couldn't have known that as you commented and so with the information you had, your advice is 100% correct. Yeah I of course will ask him when/if I go for an appointment with him (travel restrictions dependent) for his opinion. Thanks again

1 hour ago, Portugal25 said:

@rf_ht_2019 I agree with @TrixGlendevon recommendation of Dr. Ximena Villa.
She worked for almost a decade with Dr. Lorenzo before opening her own clinic (Bruno Ferreira replaced her at Lorenzo’s clinic).
They both have the same technique which is DHI but Ximena does 2 patients per day while Bruno does only 1 patient per day. 
You can check Ximena’s several real patients results on the Spanish forum (pretty much all of them are home run results).

I don't think it matters how many she does a day if the results are good and consistent, and they appear to be with her. Not seen Bruno's so unfair to comment but I agree, on the surface a clinic doing one a day is better than a clinic doing two. For that price point, he isn't going to get better options within a developed country's legal and ethical framework though which is why I think he should save up more money and investigate a broader set of clinics across different price points. He may still end up going to one of those two but then he would be going because he feels he will get the best result from them, not because he can't afford to go anywhere else.

I completely agree with everything @Portugal25 is saying on this thread. Avoid Turkey altogether. It is like the Wild West there. Not sure what your budget is but I would save up more money and go to a clinic in the EU (assuming you are in Europe) or North America where they have strong legal frameworks that protect consumers and ethical rules governing private sector clinics and service provision. If your budget is around the 2.5 euro mark, which it appears to be from your choice of Turkish clinics, then I would look at Bruno Ferreira (not seen results personally but I hear he is good and he is flavour of the week at the moment) in Portugal and Ximena Vila, Argentinian in Spain, who also charges 2.5 euros a graft. My advice would still be to save up more money and not make price the primary factor in choosing the clinic though. 

On 4/17/2020 at 5:22 PM, Dazed said:

I have had FUT in 2011 and FUE in 2018, and never experienced any shedding.  Last month I experienced shedding as witnessed by the shower drain.  The shedding has again stopped.  Would you say this was just a natural hair cycle?

I personally have no idea but why don't you email the clinics and ask them what they think?

I would look into SMP - don't bother with meds and you are not a viable candidate for a transplant. SMP could be good, and is temporary, but take the time to research the clinic you go to. Overall though, if you are happy with shaving your head, why not just stay like that?

14 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

This is a pointless post, we’re here to show support. What relevance is it that you wouldn’t go to Diep? He’s not here asking for your approval he’s sharing his journey.

Hi! Yeah sorry I actually agree with you but only considered this once I had closed my laptop and was in bed and I couldn't be bothered get back out of bed to open my laptop to edit the post. Can you do it for me as moderator? I am asking you as you'd need to change your post too or the original comment will be seen still on the quote you cited.

59 minutes ago, Niko1 said:

If your Hair Loss was Stable I would Say 800-1000 Grafts for a natural Receding Hairline. But Your in your mid 30s and not currently taking meds. Your Likely to lose more Hair in the years to come, I don't think its a Good Idea Imo to go through all the trouble for small touch up procedure to lower your hairline Right Now.  If/When you Lose more Native Hair in the Future you could address that issue Then, but also Lower your Hairline As well, if you Have The Grafts to do So . Spend your Grafts wisely !

 

Hey! Thanks for the comment. If you look at my story in the link above, you'll see that all that hair in the pictures on this thread is transplanted hair and so won't be going anywhere. It is therefore perfectly stable. A couple of questions on your graft estimates: i) is that for the first picture or the second picture and ii) 800-1000 altogether or 800-1000 on each side? Thanks again!

16 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

Again I’m no expert and it’s all guess maybe 850-1000? But now the question is will it make enough of a cosmetic difference to make you happy?

Thanks again! Yeah actually it probably would, although I am bad at imagining how these would look when grown out and this was an issue when I was doing consultations and the doctors were drawing the hairline. I posted the first pic above and then later I was looking at pictures of me in my early 20s and another when I was 16/17 and I would say my natural hairline, which has never been a straight line even as a child, is probably about half way between these two efforts I have done. Plus it will drop a little too when the hair grows out is longer.

2 minutes ago, LonelyGraft said:

All guess here but if it’s equal on both sides and roughly 30cm area transplanted at 50 grafts/cm I’d say about 1500

Nice! Thanks for this - well worked out and it means @hairlossPA was right too  I think 1500 is probably too many as I want density on the rest of the my head too. What do you think about this second attempt I have just posted?

1 minute ago, hairlossPA said:

no i think 800ish per side would be it. i could be totally off tho lol

Hahah no problem - I don't know either. I am just trying to estimate if I will need more than 3000 or not. I actually wouldn't mind this either as it (hopefully) wouldn't need that many and it would make it a bit rounder meaning I could use the other grafts for density. What do you think?

On 4/17/2020 at 8:15 PM, thinhairguy said:

I am 33 and have never taken any meds for hair loss. I have been looking into Dr Woong and Dr Diep. Any feedback on those two doctors?

Im just worried with my hair so thin that I might not get a full look Im looking for. Anyone know of any other threads with fine hair like mine?

I would avoid Diep. Fullstop. I am not saying I would prefer H&W over Diep, I am saying I would prefer almost anybody to Diep. In your case with thin hair, I think he is an especially bad choice. That said, if you can afford H&W, they are arguably the best clinic in the world so I would go there against almost anybody else, especially if you are in North America already.

34 minutes ago, hairlossPA said:

I'd say 1250 - 1750

Thanks - 1250-1750 on each side? i.e. 2500-3500 altogether? That seems a lot.....

Hi all!

As some of you know, I had an FUT with Hattingen about 18 months ago

I am now looking at number two to add density. I was supposed to be going out there last month for the final result pics and also for the discussion about number 2 but COVID-19 put an end to that. I am 50-50 about whether to lower my hairline a bit or not. I do not take medication. How many grafts do we think are in this space here in the blue line? I don't really want to use more than 3,000 in total for number 2 so I am just working it out now. Thanks in advance.

On 4/17/2020 at 1:45 PM, Afrohead said:

Oh thank you for your responses it is much apprectiated. How is your FUE journey?

I didn't have FUE, I had FUT at Hattingen in Switzerland.

Dr Feriduni does both FUT and FUE and as I mentioned above, I have seen some results on black patients and they were good but I think most black patients still go to Lupanzula and Bissanga. Patrick Mwamba may be worth looking into too but I don't know much about him to be honest as he never got back to me for a consultation when I was in Brussels. He does say on his profile he specialises in black patients though. Maybe check him out too?

On 4/17/2020 at 9:42 PM, LonelyGraft said:

Not really. H&w for sure, rahal sometimes (even tho they r not US docs per se). I just don’t think US docs have the highest reputation in other countries even tho I think docs like konior and Shapiro can easily hold their own against some of the worlds best

I think the problem with American clinics is that 1) they specialise in FUT whilst the rest of the world is moving/has moved, rightly or wrongly, to FUE and also most people want FUE too and 2) they are so much more expensive than in the rest of the world. A similar sized operation in the States can cost 1.5-2x more than in Europe but it won't be 1.5-2x better therefore they price themselves out of the non-US market and therefore don't appear on the foreign language forums.

7 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

I notice on most forums that marketing plays a huge part. I believe that’s one of the reasons why these forum reps from the doctors exist: to post reviews and showcase work to make a name for the doc. I see feriduni mentioned more on other forums such as international hair loss forum. Hlc represented more on German and Italian forums. Another example is konior, he is seen as an mvp here but I’ve never seen his name mentioned elsewhere especially the non English forums.

He used to be mentioned on here a lot. This is why I asked - it was strange him going from being mentioned all the time to not at all.

I agree it is interesting seeing which doctors are more prolific on different forums. This is why looking at several forums is always a good idea

14 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

1) At the moment the focus is on "Doc only" clinics mainly driven by the discussion about ASMED

2) People start focusing more on youtube/facebook/instagramm videos or pics

Which discussion on ASMED is this?

26 minutes ago, conan said:

In fact we will use the grafts harvested during the scar correction to fill up the crown and not the way around if you see what I mean . 

If we get 1000 grafts , great , if we get 2000 even better , if we get only 500 then I will certainly have to schedule another proper surgery on top of this scar correction surgery in order to properly work the crown , 

 

Well at least this is my understanding of my last conversation with Dr Muresanu but I might be wrong ... 

 

thanks ! 

Ok this makes perfect sense if I have understood it correctly. So when you are talking about filling in the crown, you are talking about from the grafts from the scar correction? In that case, why were you asking about FUE and FUT? 

If I have understood you correctly, I think you could get over a thousand. There is a post on here about a repair job that somebody went to Feriduni for and they managed to get 4700 (I think....) grafts from a combination of FUE and grafts from scar correction, which is amazing. 

2 minutes ago, conan said:

Hi , 

I am not sure but apparently the existing scars are too wide to be corrected at the same time of the surgery , so in agreement we decided to do this later down the road . 

Not really an issue for me . 

My main question from now on will be : scar correction - ok , we can get few grafts out of this that we will be able to use on the crown but I would like to go the FUE way now . 

I dont want anymore scars ! 

do you think that will be doable and the better option to fill up my crown ? 

 

thanks ! 

I would personally stick to FUT for several reasons in your case. 
1) You already have the scars and as you noted, Hattingen's is a pencil line so they know what they are doing and there is very, very little risk of it damaging you
2) You have a messed up donor - I don't think FUE would be a good idea because you would be thinning out an already patchy donor
3) You can get more grafts out of the lifetime with FUT and you may need those extra grafts you can squeeze out of it
4) You can FUE into the scar after to make it less visible once you have corrected the other excess scarring 
5) You seem to be under the impression, from your comment, that FUE doesn't leave scars and only FUT does. Not true. All surgery leaves scars. @Melvin-Moderator did a video of how to fade recently and he says himself you can see the FUE scars on his head when he cuts the hair right down.

As you say the scar tissue they cut out of you may yield grafts which will obviously be used on top too so I would just stick with Hattingen and with FUT. You are in safe hands and why take risks?

That makes sense about not correcting the scars at the same time as surgery as I had read that before when I was researching my own transplant. The thing I don't get though, and maybe I have read this wrong, but you seemed to suggest that the scars would be corrected when you go for the second surgery which implies that they will in fact be corrected at the same time as surgery. If I have understood you correctly, this would contradict what you have just said.

14 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

He’s a top doctor, I don’t believe thats changed. What’s changed is the amount of people asking about cheap surgeons in Turkey, no one is interested in getting the best work, only the cheapest. 

Yeah you may be right Melvin! The sad thing is, they will be going to somebody like Feriduni afterwards for the repair job, as was the case with the guy who posted relatively recently. I do still think he is not mentioned as much anymore when people do suggest other top surgeons in Europe/the world though. Shame! Great doctor and person and very ethical.

I disagree - I actually think this looks better already than it did pre-surgery. Congrats! Speaking from experience (18 months post-Hattingen) this is only going to look better everyday now too. I agree with waiting for the full result before judging the donor but I suspect it will be as is because there is a lot of scar tissue there. Did he say why he didn't try to correct it with the first surgery? i.e. why did you have to wait for the second one for correction? You could try SMP in the donor area too depending on how well the correction goes.

Just now, Matt83 said:

Many thanks for all your advice, I will do some research into FUT and see what I think. I am indeed in Europe so will see what top surgeons are about this way. 
Regarding minoxidil I have had a few people say the same thing so I think I will skip it. 
I was going to ask that, would SMP be ok to have alongside a transplant. I think that would definitely benefit me. 
Many thanks 

I never really looked into SMP so it just stuff I have picked up as I was doing my own research but I would recommend bringing it up at consultations so the doctor knows you are thinking about it and can plan/advise accordingly.

There is really only Hattingen and Feriduni in Europe to be honest, and I am not sure Feriduni even still offers FUT (he told me he wouldn't do it on me and that was 2 years ago). Most clinics here are FUE or have transitioned to FUE from FUT. Fortunately, both those I have recommended are world class. As I said, check out my thread. The scar is a pencil line.