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Not bad, but very see-thru from most angles. It needs at least 3000 more to look ok.

Are you on finasteride?

Exactly. I did 4000 in my first pass. The doctor said normally he would advise 3500, but would see how it goes with extractions and donor. I wanted to do ‘as much as possible’ in one go thinking it was a long trip and did not want to go back for the second pass soon. It went well, and I would say the yield was >95%. Now that I went through and know more - I would limit the surgeries to 3500. There is simply no reason to risk the yield, and none of us will ever be ok after only one surgery and will eventually have to go back.

If you dont get why two surgeries of 3500+1500 are much safer and less risky than one 5000 surgery, I cant help you. Keep looking at the mirror, read ‘scientific’ papers and wonder.

So is it scientific or artistry? Those two are almost diagonally opposite. The problem is not in dense packing. Like I said it is a game of protocols and probabilities. One body can take 20 hours of a surgery over 2 days, or 10000 incisions and holes, etc. Other body might not. One hair graft might be fine after being kept for 5 hours in a solution and waiting for placement, other graft might not. One scalp has enough circulation to accept 5000 new grafts and quickly create all necessary bloodlines, other scalp might not. Why risk 5000 grafts, when you can do the first pass of say 3500, and do 1500 later, if needed. That approach will always yield better results, and will be better for your donor management as well.

Scientific? What about hair surgery is scientific? Its a game of protocols and probabilities. You are right about one thing - you would hope the surgeon would advise accordingly. And guess what - some do.

Your yield looks like 30%. I would strongly advise anyone considering a FUE not to do more than 3500 grafts in one surgery. It is an unnecessary risk and the probability of lower yield is much higher when you go for 4500 or 5000.

That is a cynical response to an honest account. Nothing is really anonymous. As a forum mod you would know that. All of those fake reviews of ‘recommended surgeons’ are very easy to trace..

1/ thee months is when it (slowly) starts; six months is when you will be able tell if you are on a good track; 10 months is when you will be able to see about 80% of the outcome. 2/ ‘fast responders’ get best results - not true. Mine kept improving even after 12 months. Hope that helps Below are my pics from my first surgery (about 2k in frontal 1/3), after 5 months and after 8 months.

Melvin, some of these forum members mentioned that Rahal spends 30 minutes in the room. If true, that is disturbing. FYi - Lorenzo does most of the work on his patients. His techs do extractions, but he keeps an eye on it. He does the placement with the implanter tool.

Did you get an estimate how many grafts you have left? Looking at your pattern, in about 3-4 years you may need another 4000 to fill in mid scalp and crown.

Here is a picture of back with a bit longer hair

It all depends. There are many examples where guys had more than 8-9k extracted. It comes down to the size of safe area, density, hair color/contrast, etc. lorenzo estimated my donor having about 5k left. But im not sure if I would want to extract that much. I will go for a smaller surgery (1-1.5k) to fix some weaker spots. And hopefully that will keep me good for some time. I am 43 and on finasteride, forgot to add that.

I had 4000 FUE surgery in Sep 2015 and 2000 in Dec 2017. Here are my current photos and my situation pre-first surgery. First photo is in almost direct light - back and sides cut to #1.5 2nd photo is room light of front hair combed straight 3rd photo is under strong light 4th and on are various photos with my natural hair (slightly curly), and one straightened hair. last two photos are pre any surgery i still have some week spots in the mid scalp and might add another 1000 grafts in right back-middle area. Lorenzo said i have another 5k grafts left.

Thanks. Makes sense. I had my second surgery, 2000 grafts / 4900 hairs. So my total is 6000 grafts / 14200 hairs. Is it correct to say that equals to 8000+ grafts FUT? This isnt FUT vs FUE thing, just it helps when people look online for result examples..

Nice. But why such a low hair/graft ratio? I got more hairs from my 4000 grafts transplant than this guy in 5500+?

The way it looks he had around 35-40% growth, probably less than 20% in the hairline. I would completely disagree with that measure -- % of growth = % of refund, especially when growth is less than 50%. Lost grafts are priceless, and any reputable clinic that cares about its patients wellbeing should go above and beyond in making things right - including full refunds in cases like this one. That entire story of 'wait another 3-4 months' is just buying time - hoping you would give up. No new hair will grow in the hairline after 10 months. On another note - if I was the OP, and wanted to go with FUT again, I would go only with dr. Wong or dr. Konior.

That hairline is conservative, but in no way 'too high'. It does its purpose - it frames your face nicely. At this stage, you should relax and hope that everything grows well. It is always better to start with a conservative hairline, because the fact is - most people do not have enough grafts in the bank for more aggressive hairlines.

I would say I had 90%+ yield I did not notice any shockloss, but then my crown was pretty bald to start with. dr. Lorenzo was careful and did not go much into areas where i had healthy native hairs. After month 10, not much to be honest. For me the timeline was like this: Fairly quiet until month 4.5-5. Then between month 5 and 7 everything grew. Between months 7 and 9 things got more mature. Between months 9 and 10 the cycle seemed complete, and the transplanted hairs felt and looked fully mature.

The hairline was planned in cosultation, we discussed options, etc. i really did not want it low, and i think this is the perfect design for me. I am on fin.

The hairline is ok. It is a bit thinner on the right side, so i might do a touch up there. My hair is blonde and wavy, so the contrast is not high and the illusion looks better. I dont think I need very high density.

The goal was to achieve as much as possible in one go. I know i need another ~1500grafts in the middle / front 1/2 to make it perfect.

Here is day 7 picture. Lorenzo put most of the 3-4-5 hair grafts in the crown and single and double ones in the front. This means that 2000 multi-hair grafts in the crown are comparable ~3000 standard grafts.

Hi everyone, Just wanted to post a review of my experience with dr. Lorenzo. In short - it was great. Great surgeon with a great team. Below are my pictures, pre-surgery and 12-months post surgery. 4000 grafts, 2.33 hpg, total ~9300 hairs ~2000 grafts in crown and ~2000 in frontal 1/3 Did not touch mid-scalp, might go for another session to add some additional density there Pre: 12-months result: Cheers, Jon