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Arent Lorenzo's results proof that he negates the three forces on consistent basis? He does most extractions himself even now.

Noted and thanks. Just like every other patient, I am only interested in getting the best result possible with minimum risks. A friend of mine had FUT. His scar is ~2mm at most, meaning fantastic by FUT standards. However he cuts his hair very short and when I first saw it (I did not know he had a HT, nor much about HTs at the time), it looked scary. I thought he had a brain surgery. I am of opinion that if a reputable surgeon is chosen with a proven track record, FUE can provide similar results to FUT. Are there risks? Of course, but I personally see more risks with FUT. If I can get 6-7000 grafts with FUE, good enough for me + I can still cut my hair very short.

Here is one of dr. Feller's FUE cases (~2000 grafts in total, much larger than 700 grafts he claims as acceptable) http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/journal.asp?CopyID=5942&WebID=1787&ProcID=4023

Dr. Feller if one has FUE and decides to go for FUT for the 2nd surgery, what are the implications? Not a "gotcha" question, since this is something you could advise based on your experience. Please forget FUT vs. FUE camps for a second.

Dr Feller, is this one of your pencil thin scars?

Dr. Feller will not answer to any relevant questions. He is too scared of being sued, so he only likes to talk about FUE. I mean the guy does not bother measure the surface area of the mFUE punch, yet he claims it produces "FUE like scarring". If that is not a total negligence, then I don't know what is.. Dr. Feller, is it ethical to advise a patient to do a 1500 grafts FUT? Is it good for a patient to get FUT scar for only 1500 grafts?

It doesn't make sense. You can't pick the way a debate goes. You are either in and respond to all pros and cons queries, or you are out. If it is easy to respond, then go ahead and do it.

Dr. Feller you are missing the point. The thread is about FUE vs FUT, which includes all aspects of both approaches, including potential stretching of crown. You keep avoiding all negatives about FUT, and keep promising to address them at some other time. Nevertheless, this is the thread and time to address those concerns.

So dr. Feller, what is the surface area of the mFUE punch?

Based on his posts - he is not. What am I? Well that is a good question, lets say I am more educated than dr. Feller, for starts. But then again, education means nothing if one allows ego to take over.

No, i just said that there is no proof to say that either FUE or FUT have advantage.

What kind of excuse is that, "it is not round"? How about you provide width of the punch and height at the largest point? Most of people know how to calculate the surface area of an ellipse and will be glad to help you. The fact that you had not bothered to calculate the surface area of the punch you use is very troubling to me - if you dont know the surface area, how can you: 1. estimate the potential damage it would do to patients donor? 2. predict scarring? 3. claim the scarring will be comparable to traditional FUE? Weird..

"injured" "skeletonized" "detrimental forces" "gold standard", such transparent manipulation tactics.. Dr. Feller, with all due respect, you think that you are smarter than an average forum visitor. Unfortunately you show time and time again that you are not. Even an average person, able to read between the lines, can see what you are trying to do.. Do yourself a favor, lose arrogance, support your claims with evidence, provide top-of-the line care to your patients before and after surgery... Maybe you should follow H&W path, provide high resolution photos, follow up with your patients, etc. and you will not have to worry about the future of your business so much..

6 patients, seriously? What if 0.85mm punch is used? Have they used the implanter? How often they do FUE vs FUT?

No, I dont. That is the point. There is a need for more research and more records. Until then, this is all empty talk, or even borderline greed by some surgeons who are worried that their business model is not so appealing anymore, etc.

Because i dont see any verifiable records of that. I would like to propose to surgeons to do follow ups with patients after 1 or 2 years and measure hair count in transplanted areas. No excuses, make it a part of your practice.

I think that is becoming less about the type of surgery and more about your donor and the choice of surgeon. Some FUE surgeons claim 7-7,500 grafts can be extracted from a good donor. FUT surgeons claim they can extract 7-7,500 if there is a good laxity. If FUT was really the "gold standard" then almost every patient would get 90%+ yield, and FUT would have an advantage. However that is simply not true.

What is the definition of "better" to you? Yield? I saw more excellent results from dr. Bhatti's FUE than dr. Fellers FUT. Natural look? Did not see unnatural results from leading FUE surgeons. Post op care and recovery? Lets not even go there. Scarring? See above. What is problematic with your posts is that you talk about dr. Feller's FUT as if he did a 5 year study, comparing his patient's pre and post op hair count, quality of hair, etc. He did not, in fact he has no records to support his claims of "gold standard", "higher yield", etc. Dr. Feller rarely posts pre-op and post op high-definition photos, and he had his share of low yield results and stretched scars.

Dr. Feller, I think dr. Bhatti already answered that question in his previous post. The forces are not detrimental in hands of qualified and experienced surgeons. Lets be fair here, I saw many of your results, and I saw many of dr. Bhatti's results, and I do not see much difference in yield, coverage, etc. Only difference is that you limit your procedures to <2,500 grafts per surgery, while dr. Bhatti does cases of >3,000 grafts regularly. Cheers

What can I say Blake, you post often, and you tend to (discretely) use the forum to market your and dr. Feller's business model (strip and mStrip). It is amazing how you always manage to post small vague pieces information which are mostly negative towards FUE or like in the case above, negative towards non-NA clinics, etc.. No specifics, no proofs. Some people pick on things like that, and I might be one of them. If I am breaking any rules, let me know. On other hand, I find your insight into finasteride side effects quite interesting and thanks for sharing it.

Cmon Blake, either name those clinics, or stop playing the negative marketing game. For your info, most of leading clinics in EU and Turkey have standards above most of clinics in the US.

The evidence part goes both ways. Instead of proving otherwise, you resort to asking open ended questions. In any case, I responded to point out to holes in your theory on "mFUE" (in my opinion should be called "mFUSS"). My advice, rethink your approach to marketing. Its a thin line and could backfire very quickly. Your reputation could be ruined before you even had a chance to build it.

My comment was not about scarring itself, but about subsequent extractions. No proofs whatsoever on that statement. If you look at dr. Lorenzos surgeries for example, you may find proof of fantastic yield in subsequent surgeries - more than a decent "N".

This is not proven, and until we have a decent sample of successful cases, we should avoid such claims. This is not true. Dr. Vories already replied to you in another thread that in his experience there was no difficulty whatsoever in subsequent surgeries.