augustya

I do appreciate help of people here who have tried to highlight the fine nuances of Hair Transplant. That is what I am here for...I am not rushing in to things if someone may think so. It is just that I dont have a 6 month period where I can get the HT Done, at the most a months research and I should be able to decide yes or a No ! Some of the guys here have just said things which do not really give any insights about HT. Like I have been saying getting a Artifical Hairline and shockloss with my other normal, strong hair is the most important thing for me. But other then that even I understand it, as HT should be done only if the sitaution really warrants ! what 's so extraordinary about being able to think this, I know that, I am aware about it :-)

I'm not sure if you are a little kid or just can't read or speak english. Perhaps you were sheltered as a child and never taught how to interact with other humans. It's real simple since you still don't have a clue... You could of just said thanks for the advice. Instead you chose to say something completely illogical... I'm not pissed, I just think you are an idiot who cant read or reason beyond 3rd grade level and explaining this to you equates to talking to a rock.

No that is what is happening with you ! You dont admit it ! But you surely feel pissed off ! With your very ordinary advice you felt you did the most outstanding thing which was very ordinary thing even a no-brainer can understand it. With all your replies here, tell me one thing that you mentioned here which truly enlightened me except for the fact that Dont do a HT if you dont require ! Thats a No Brainer ! I have that it in my mind I dont want your dirty, abusive, filthy language to make me convince and understand it. :mad:

Wow you are stupid. I give up.

You need attention, you need someone to tell you wow what a perspective you have ? that is what you want which I did not give is that what pissed you off ?

If you can't see someone spending over an hour to respond to your questions and concerns as help then your problems are much bigger than simply being overly anxious to get a hair transplant .

after giving you intelligent advice just makes you look ignorant.

You are saying the same things again...You did that out of choice what's the point in repeating it again and again when I sam saying no you have not done any favour to me !! :rolleyes: So now for sure with your posts I will act Ignorant !

Morale dampener? You really are delusional aren't you? I'm trying to do you a FAVOR. Maybe if you end up having a BAD result you will end up seeing that. I took a lot of time (my personal time I could be doing other stuff) to try to help you out and give you another perspective so you make an informed decision or possibly avoid a mistake. My answers were very detailed and I could easily back up everything I'm saying with tons of examples, but I won't bother at this point. I respect others like Mickey who can see where I'm coming from even if they don't agree on all my points.

 

I've had 5 procedures over the past 11 years. I know what this decision is all about and what comes with it. I gave advice based on research AND personal experience and realize my opinion is just to be taken along with others and not absolute, but you should weigh it if your desire was really for truth and not under confirmation bias.

 

You can't see that it's hard to go against the grain and tell someone something that they might not want to hear because you think it will help them. It was purely to help you. You started off this thread being rude and I answered anyways because this subject is too important.

 

You start talking about unnatural results and people get uncomfortable. They have to confront their own work and whether or not people really notice it. I'd say many people are wrong to think people NEVER notice. We tend to have a false sense of ourselves.

 

The reality is you want the yes answer... I see these people all the time.. They will ask five dr's until one tells them yes you should have a procedure. You want confirmation that surgery is a good idea and that it will solve all your problems. So to say I'm a morale dampener just shows your incredible ignorance to everything I've explained. You want to defeat my points, then do it logically. You should be thanking me.

Why does everyone here keeps telling this, what a big favour they did when they are just commenting and that is not help, help is something which Mickey85 has done by providing really valuable informstion...help is something which Matt1978 did, people just commenting and saying I helped you and that you should thank me for the rest of your life how is that help anyways ?? Excuse me ?? What and how did u help me ?? by just giving me another side of HT which otherwise also I am aware about as I keep looking for horror stories of HT on google aswell not just here ! That you havent said anything new!! No my friend I don't think u have helped me by anything and I really should indebted to u all my life. So pls stop patronising me !!

That's funny. I had 600 graft to the hairline in order to minimize my widows peak, which was VERY pronounced. It got to where I looked like dracula.

 

you'll get a kick out of this video.

 

 

 

See ya,

 

Atticus

You are a inspiration to me now, your case is just like mine, infact you are at a better condition than I am, you have quite fuller and thicker even before your HT but you had the good fortune to get it done from Dr.Umar I wish I could do that !!

HairKlepto,

 

The OP specifically asked if going through Dr. Bhatti, would he get doll-like/unnatural hair which I assumed he meant plugs. I was referring to the use of one-hair follicular units.

 

If you can't look at the 1000s of hair transplant photos online and tell that most of them look like transplants.

 

This is not as black and white as you imply because we would already have a preconceived notion and bias that we are looking at hair transplants. Show those pictures to most of the general public and ask "do you see anything strange about this photo" and most likely you will get a majority saying 'No". This is for the good results though I admit. For the bad results you might get "his hair looks a little thin" etc but I HIGHLY doubt you will get "He had a hair transplant".

 

If you do your research you will see even good surgeons have bad results

 

Totally agreed.

 

I actually like having you around here because it gives another side of the spectrum. I have been called negative before but I am pro-FUE and have slightly(or majorly) unconventional opinions but you seem to be on another spectrum to the one I am on! Hehe.

And he is also a morale Dampener !!

Augustya,

 

I will post a pic of the scar......once dr radha sends it.....yes its pencil thin.....1.5 mm.....

I have trouble taking it on my own since I stay alone..sorry

Please do that once u have it !

I had discussion with Dr Radha once though she sounded knowledgable I thought after a point she becomes a little irritable to prove who is the Dr kind of thing, I started asking questions to her and though she said I don't mind answering it but she said reading on the Internet will give you what only about 5% knowledge about HT with that you cannot compete with a HT surgeon on what best practices does she adopt ! Which kind of disappointed me a bit. I thought she was not open with someone getting too much in detail about the HT Procedure !

Can you put a Picture of the FUT scar after the HT ? How does it look ? Like you say it is Pencil thin scar, I am curious to see how thin it is !

ok to clarify my comments... I had a typo... It should have said if you do not have proper density, you will have thin hair and right behind that super thick hair. You need to have proper transition... Since you mentioned having budget limitations and possibly not getting the graft count you want, this was relevant.

 

Further just because one person says no one can detect their hair transplant, it doesn't negate the fact that MOST hair transplants are detectable, even good ones. It depends who is looking of course. I was with my first wife for five years and she didn't know until I told her, but people who know others with them typically know what to look for and will be able to tell.. and keep in mind we are talking about favorable results... I'm talking about people who don't get favorable results... Yup there are tons and tons... Matter of fact most feedback you get on other sites is to not get a transplant and all the horror stories about it. This site is already biased in the fact that it's generally regulared by people who generally believe in transplants -- exceptions exist of course. I'm not saying people shouldn't get them. I'm glad I got mine, but it's a lot of stress, money, upkeep, and risk.

 

If you can't look at the 1000s of hair transplant photos online and tell that most of them look like transplants, then I just don't what to tell you. I've seen 1000's from both good and bad surgeons -- most all have some sign of transplant.

 

So one could argue that as long as you go to the best surgeon it's cool... Yeh it ups your chances. Every surgery has risks, and creating a whole new hairline has more risk then doing some fill in on your crown or corners for example. It's not about whether you are level 1,2,3, etc. It's the same thing you would tell someone who has a tiny bump on their nose... Do you really want to risk having a concaved nose, just for that little bump.

 

I'm probably one of the few people on here who warn people about transplants and if you do your research you will see even good surgeons have bad results. If I was going to risk it I would go to Bisanga or Feriduni since you want FUE.

 

I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I have a hot young wife 10 years my younger and no complaints from her. I have another surgery again in july with Shapiro, so I do support it, but only for people who really want to take the risk because the reward will negate it. You have to decide that of course. My recommendation is don't do it or at least wait, but that's just me.

 

As far as naturalness.. using 1 hair grafts alone does not ensure naturalness... You have hairline shape, macro and micro irregularities, density, graft direction, hair groupings, incision size and depth (possible scarring/pitting) - all which can go wrong. Temple work is especially difficult to obtain natural results. You have other factors like hair caliber which is also a dead give away if you have don't have favorable characteristics. Unless you select the hairs from the nape or something, you are likely to have thicker caliber hairs in the front.

And I cannot afford Bisanga or Feriduni :eek:

I cannot speak for Dr. Bhatti, but I can inform you that "only" single hair grafts are appropriate for the commencement and formation of a hairline. All we need to do is study any natural hairline and we will see nothing but single FUs. And chances are he would potentially stagger the design where the hairline starts when you ask about a zig-zag pattern.

 

Most of the top docs use precised sized blades to create the recipient sites and the sites must also be done with precise angulation. Single hair grafts that are precisely angled produce the most natural appearing hairlines. This is where the surgeon's skills are best noted, artistic design and creation.

 

I had a very small peak placed at the commencement of my hairline on my past procedure but it was very subtle and took only 18 singles. The doctor used a "stick and place" method to create my small peak. Did not lower the hairline, just reinforced it.

 

The number of grafts required are best measured by the method that matt explained. The patient and doctor must first determine the total surface area to be restored and then determine the level of density to be achieved. Both factors have a bearing on the total graft count.

So are you saying Zig-Zag Pattern is not the right pattern while making slits ?

You said you had a small procedure done in the past where your surgeon used the "stick and place" technique can you tell me more about it ?

and also the other thing you mentioned is Most of the top docs use precised sized blades to create the recipient sites ? so what are these precised size blades ?

Any idea if Dr Bhatti uses a single hair graft in the frontal area and if he uses a zig zag method of planting slits ?

Surgeons use the singlehair grafts in the hairline to mimic natural hairlines. The use of 2 or 3-hair grafts would result in an un-natural look.

I genuinely don't know this, may sound naive but clarifying for people who accuse me of trolling. So one hair Graft can have more then 2-3 Hair Follicle right ? (And hair follicle is different from Hair strand or is it the same)

So having one hair graft with one hair follicle is one approach of not having it but how about placing the slits isn't that also equally important like adopting the zig-zag approach and not placing the slits in one symmetrical line that is very important right ?

I`m out for good now, but will still be reading this funny thread. I mean, Augustya, are you trolling or really having all those fears? If so, I would advise you just to get into consultation with Dr. Bhatti to perhaps calm you down, if he won`t be capable to do so, I would advise you to visit anotgher surgeon or stay away from hair transplants in general. I wish you all the best!

FYI I have already had a telephonic conversation with Dr.Bhatti but we did not talk about anything that you talk about here. I don't know every time you come here divert the topic and then say that we'll, you did not mean it and then you tell me I am trolling. I guess you will do me a favour not commenting here because you make things sound more sarcastic and complicated then be genuinely advising anything.

Hi Augustya,

 

just wanna say sorry I you felt offended or sth., I guess it was a prime example of a misunderstanding from beginning til the end! Forgiven?

 

To be quite frank, if I would have to critizise anything about Dr. Bhattis work, it would be the hairline design. Of course every doc takes his own approach, but I personally like the hairlines of Dr. Konior and Dr. Diep (to Mickey: It`s about the hairline here only ;-)) for example. Dr. Bhatti rather does a straight line, not a zick-zack-line or some little convexities or sth.

 

But I am sure, if you explicitly ask him to take an approach as you wish, he will be the last to ignore that and not put the patients wish into practice. Perhaps you can show him some example pictures or so. So again: Just talk to him, he won`t bite your head off ;-)

Not having a Artificial Hairline is the, the important thing for me, I thought you were the first very few supporters of Dr. Bhatti talking about Dr.Bhatti's good work and now you saying that Dr.Bhatti is not as good as others with the Hairline this is really making me very very scared and nervous about doing it with him now, Not Having a "Doll" like hairline is the very important thing for me !! Your this statement has shaken my decision which till now I had almost finalised in the last 1-2 days. It is giving me shivers with the idea of Hair Transplant now.

I was with the first Surgeon who I still think and feel is better than Dr.Bhatti atleast in India but is like Crazy expensive $ 3.5 for a hair graft, so even he adopts the zig-zag approach of placing the slits and hair grafts so as to not end up having a "Artificial Hairline" I am stone shocked when you say that Bhatti does not have this approach I strongly feel that is the key thing (The. Zig Zag approach) to avoid not having a Artificial Hairline and he does not have this approach ?? Whoa :eek: that is scary man ! that really is getting scary !! :eek: again making me confused !! You see now I am really getting frustrated reading and visualising all this, making me go mad on should I be even doing a HT or not there are too many complications guys, then to get the right Dr, who has the right approach blah...blah...:eek: I think I will go mad till the end of this.:rolleyes:

If your surgeon uses fine single-hair grafts in the hairline, then the appearance will not be un-natural.

This is getting interesting what do you mean by single hair grafts in the hairline ?

Ok guys let me put this straight without beating too much around the bush. Yes I feel I need hair at the empty corners of my forehead I feel that will change my look and just fill in the gap which I have always felt but never really too much bothered.

I am most likely planning to do it with Dr.Bhatti what are my chances of ending up with a Artifical "Doll" like hairline ? Any straight confident answers to my this statement ? Dr.Bhatti = Artificial Hairline yes or no ?

There is absolutely no way, what-so-ever that anyone could tell I have had an HT by looking at my hairline.

Spanker your comments always come as a respite :-) I will reply to mickey85 comments in a little detail later. But Frankly your comment brought a smile on my face :-)

If you are not suffering from MPB... I would say definitely don't get a transplant... You could get an unnatural result and be self-conscious for the rest of your life when you have a perfectly good head of hair. Do you really want to question what people are thinking about every single time you are having a conversation with them? You should think long and hard about your decision. Bad results are very common and unless you are REALLY unhappy with how your hair looks, I would say you should reconsider. The change you are making is relatively minor with the side of effect of changing your completely natural hairline. If you were doing just corner work, i would say maybe, but bringing down your hairline... I have seem some awful results. And if you don't want to go low on density when you are going to have thick hair behind it.. .. There will be no gradual change.. It will stand out like a sore thumb.

So from what I understand you are saying If I Just wanna fill in the Corners I can, but not to bring the hairline down right ? But even if I Just fill in the corners that will still mean a new hairine right ? Maybe the peak will be the same but hairline will definitely change even if I Just do the corners.

Also in terms of artifically looking hairline, I have seen some senior members here suggest that any HT Surgeon reccomended here on this forum, will give you a Natural looking hairline, so people were suggesting here I should have no no worries on that front ? Right ? Wrong ? I dont know ?

And I didnt understand when you say

And if you don't want to go low on density when you are going to have thick hair behind it.

Ok Guys an update. With the growing number of difference in opinion here (And sadfully in this process, making some people get a little worked up here, which I didn't intend to...) on the number of grafts that I may require, I thought let me just ask again the first Doctor who gave me this grafts estimate who I think was right. Now looks like the Hairline I assumed he was talking about and the Hairline which he actually meant for 500 Grafts were totally different.

So we went through all this all over again, of drawing a Hairline now this time we drew 2 hairlines one slight up and the other a little below that so with the first hairline (from the top) It turns out that I may require close to around 1500 Grafts and the second from the top around 2000 Grafts.

First one would be around 1.5-1.75 cms and second around 2 Cms below from my current hairline. (And this does not involve bringing the widow's peak down this just covers bringing the hairline a little low but keeping the centre, widow's peak at the same level so this new hairline will start a little low and join/merge in the widow's peak

And this has shot up my Budget like Crazy :eek: This is giving nightmares to me now, with an objective to just enhance my look It has started me think that should I be even looking at it to do it ? Simultaneously was going through some horror stories of Hair Transplants going horribly wrong namely, Doll Hairline, Too Much gaps between 2 slits is making me terrified. I dont know how to convince myself in getting in to this. I want the final result but am scared of the process what if anything goes wrong ?

I think you still need to understand what forums and communities like these are meant for...It is not always for only after you have done something, It is also to acquire, find information about something, before you are going to attempt something. And that also involes asking questions Hypothetically( Not Fictiously It is called Hypothetically not fictiously lemme correct your English)

Regarding My Pm to you, I was asking you since you have already done the procedure with him, do you by any chance found him, or got a feeling that he may get too commercialised with things ? I was no way accusing him, that he for sure is a unethical person and he for sure will do it with me...

But without understanding my comments you started putting words in my mouth.

augustya everyone here is on your side my man, you are taking a rather aggressive approach with a lot of your posts we are just trying to help you. What you have to understand is that some doctors are conservative and some are not, so graft estimates will vary from doctor to doctor, as long as you are dealing with reputable doctors none of the estimates mean that the doctors are unethical or trying to squeeze money out of you it just means they have a different opinion about your situation. The thing is no one here is going to be able to definitively tell you how many grafts you need, and if a doctor suggests that you need 1000 grafts but you want 600 and he tells you that the results will not be dense, that's not unethical it is just him telling you that if you choose to not go with his recommendation that he will not be able to guarantee you will be satisfied with the results.

 

I think you may be putting to much weight on price. I can tell you from experience that you will probably be much happier paying more for one procedure and being satisfied than paying less, not being satisfied, and having to undergo another procedure. You will typically pay the same amount, if not more, and have to deal with the pain, ugly duckling stage, and one year waiting period twice. My recommendation would be to make sure you get as many grafts as you need to have a full result in one procedure and be done with it.

 

And f.y.i. the reason people like spanker keep questioning if you are balding or not, is it is very typical for people, myself included, to reason away their hairloss as something else (ie. high hairline ect.) when in fact they are suffering from mpb. And a lot of people lose ground because they are in denial.

Good points. Will rethink on my strategy. And yes I am not in any denial :-) who else could be a better judge of me then me myself which I have been watching myself since childhood that My hairline has not changed one bit, it was the same 20 years back and it is the same even right now aswell !! I have all my past photos to compare what more could be a convincing proof then the photos.

Ladies and Gentleman 120th time :-) I am not losing hair :-)

Augustya,

 

could you perhaps pay a little attention to the punctuation, grammar, syntax and orthography? No offense at all, but I am not a native speaker and sometimes have difficulties to understand english anyway, but with your postings it is really very difficult and a lot of work and I always have to interpret your sentences and kind of "read between the lines"..

lol ! I dont think anyone other then you have had any problems understanding my english so perhaps it is not a problem with my english but like you admit your understanding of english because of not being your native language.

But if I understood your recent post right, you insist that Dr. Bhatti acted unethically because he said that you need about 1000 grafts when you initially wanted only 600, and he said that with 600 he will not be able to make it look more dense, and that`s unethical, or what???"

It surely looks as if you are having hard time understanding me ? When did Dr.Bhatti come in to picture ? When did I say he is unethical ? Are you crazy or what ? I have not even approached Dr.Bhatti, when did this Dream come to you that I have already approached him and we have had a discussion on estimated grafts and he is giving me a high number of grafts when not required...woosh ! :eek: Do you read my comments with a glass of Vodka in your hand or what ? Please do not spread ill feelings here about me or for any Reputed Doctor. I have not done that, I am not even intending to do that. "Please read and understand what I am saying" DO NOT JUST DERIVE CONCLUSIONS AND PICTURES WITHOUT A PROPER UNDERSTANDING !

My question was purely hypothetical that when I have already got a estimate of 500 Grafts from one renowned HT surgeon "what if" I am again repeating "If" the second Dr gives me outrageously high number of Grafts it will raise doubts in my mind so how should I look at this entire thing. That is all what I was saying. My entire assumption was based on "What if" do you now get it ?

I am sure people agree here if a Doctor says you need 1000 but you want 600 then I cannot make it look more dense is ethically not correct. That raises a lot of question about that Doctors authenticity as genuinely concerned about giving the best results to his patient.