augustya

I think even the finest surgeon in the world will have difficulty estimating to the nearest 100 grafts.

 

There are so many variables involved. 50/60 grafts per sq cm would be great but on the other hand may not be completely necessary if you have a lot of 2 and 3 hair follicles (which of course would be placed behind the single hair grafts.)

 

This is why I commend Dr Feller's pricing structure. He charges according to graft ranges rather than precise numbers.

 

1cm lowering seems such a minor change I'd be inclined to budget for at least 1000 grafts. By doing that you could opt to take the hairline a bit lower during the pre-op discussion. It also gives a bit more scope to fill in the temples.

I other words what you are saying is If I intend to bring my hairline down by just 1 Cm it is not worth to do a 1000 graft for it ? Aim for a little more lower and then 1000 grafts would make sense ? is that what you are saying ?

I don't think I would ever think about lowering it below 1.5 CMS notes, no ways. I will still do a 1 Cm and the last thing only and only If I think it is sill not doing too much max I can just about go to 1.5 cm but definitely not below that.

Dear Augustya,

 

I am sorry that you`re strugling so much! However I don`t share your concerns to be honest.

 

While some members estimated your required graft count quite low, I don`t agree with the calculation of 1978matt f.e. At first, you must consider that he only assumpted 15 cm b, which yet could be 5 cm too low. I also think that you need to lower your hairline by 1 1/2 centimerters at least in order to get a satisfying result. Lastly he presumpted only 40 grafts/sqcm, which imho is about 10-20 too low in order to get you a satisfying result with which you are so happy that you won`t consider to have a touch up later.

 

For my easthetical sensation, this is not only to be recommended, but even required. Last evaluation should be if this would be ethical, and as I understood, you don`t suffer from hairloss at all, your age is appropriate and you have a good donor.

 

So the calculation imo should not be "1cm x 15cm x 40 = 600 grafts maximum.

 

So maybe the 500 estimate is about right." He even wrote "maximum"???,

 

but f.e.: 18 (b) x 1 1/2 (h) x 55 (grafts/sqcm) = 1485,

 

or f.e.: 17 (b) x 1 1/2 (h) x 50 (grafts/sqcm) = 1275

 

or f.e.: 19 (b) x 1 1 /2 (h) x 45 (grafts/sqcm) = 1260

 

Even if you take f.e.: 20 x 1 x 50 (f.e. 60 in the hairline and 40 behind), you`ll get the 2000. And I don`t think that was Dr. Bhattis last word, it was only a proposition. F.e. in my case, after looking at the pictures I sent to him, he estimated about 3000 grafts, while when examining me in person, he lowered it to the 2350 I finally got.

 

So to conclude that Dr. Bhattis assumption is questionable is very questionable itself imo. I am sure if you would have asked further, he would have explained why he wants to transplant you this count.

 

As I already mentioned in my thread, Dr. Bhatti would be the last person unethically trying to squeeze more money out of you, in contrary: He generally offers very competitive and affordable prices and could ask for more, as for my case, he excised a sebaceous gland for free and even unrequestedly ordered a laboratory test in order to analyze it, and provided me the result later via Email, all on his own extra cost. I can only speak for myself, but Dr. Bhatti is one of the most charming and generous persons I ever met in my life.

 

I can understand the estimations that are lower, but they are are based on dimensions and density goals I personally would doubt whether you`ll get a result that is satisfying. However, everyone to his taste;-)

Ok the other thought behind this thing is, I would like to rather start slow with a lesser number of grafts as I am not sure how will this entire thing turn out, like I have been saying I am not bald nor am I losing hair it is just to lower my hairline I have been thinking about this. So it would be advisable to start less aggressive and do it again if not satisfied then to go aggressive and cover a lager area and then repent as I will not be able to go back and undo it.

I agree with Matt's original assessment (based upon where the red line was drawn and the pattern it followed). Somewhere between 450 and 600.

See there you go...It is becoming a growing consensus 500-600 is max I would require. C'mon Guys India's "The Best" Doctor in HT has given me this estimate and convincingly he has made me believe this so he cannot be wrong. I wish I can only afford him.

Just tell bhatti you want to stay conservative and preserve your donor.

what if he then tells me I cannot make it look thicker and fuller then dont blame it on me :rolleyes:

I guess if a doctor makes such a drastic statment, the best point is not to get it done from him atall. Because then it raises question on the whole performance, quality of the results. That speaks a lot, if somebody goes on to make such a statement.

1000 grafts into the area(red line) that Matt showed could kill the natural hair you hair(if he implants in it) and because it would be so dense the grafts might not have enough blood supply to all live.

Now this is really becoming a challenge for me, I dont know how to deal with this. I had almost Finalised a Doctor who according to me is the best but his Rates are ridiculosuly expensive (People with USD/AUD/EUR/GBP, please dont compare here, I am an Indian having Indian Rupees and in Indian Rupees it is way way too expensive, the Doctor that I am talking about) he is exorbitantly expensive which is becoming too too heavy on my pocket. He has given me a Graft Estimate of only 500-600 Grafts and that is what I would like to believe because of my extremely low requirement.

So now because I cannot afford him, I decide to move to the second best I have mentioned his name here who is in the North of India who I may want to get in touch with, but because his rates are so low to make up for the deficit he might unnecessarily give me a higher estimate and he will be in no mood to listen to the estimate what the other Doctor has given me. So the net net result is the same then.

Less Grafts+High Price = More Grafts+Low Price.

How do I get a way outta this ?

1,000 into the area Matt drew would most likely result in a compromised blood supply to the grafts and/or transection due to over packing.

Please explain what does it mean ?

I understand your point, but you can think for yourself, too, can`t you? Just ask the docs which area they plan to cover with thr graft count they gave you, and you will have the density you`ll have. Also ask WHY do they advise this or that count, and make conclusions out of that.

You also can just post some pics here and the community will help you in evaltuating your concerns.

With the information given we can`t do so much, you understand?

Did this in a lot of my earlier threads, people here have suggested should be between 500-1000 but in any case should not go beyond 1000 grafts no way...

And the 500 graft count matches to the doctor I met personally even he said 500 grafts only, now if someone tells me 1000 I would be very wary of him...

Does it get swollen like this always with everyone ?

Why don`t you tell each surgeon what the other has said and ask them why would the other advise a different number of grafts? Just ask for an exhaustive explanation.

This happens in the entire medical field, not just HT diagnosis of all Doctor is different from each other unless it is something like a organ failure kind of thing which all the doctors have to agree because it is a very evident thing. But something that cannot be seen or examined by the naked eye each one will have his own theory and chances are one who has said less and if you take it as an example and use it as a example with the second. The second might just say I don't care what the first has said but this is what I feel and think.

It is easily a good way to Hike up the Graft count and there by hike up the bill. That is what I fear about. Now in my case if the Number one Ranked Doctor in HT in India most arguably (Sorry have been warned here against giving his name) tells me I only require 500-600 grafts just because I cannot afford his rates, I go to somebody else the next will one have his own graft count, this is what I hate and don't wanna let happen.

Why don`t you tell each surgeon what the other has said and ask them why would the other advise a different number of grafts? Just ask for an exhaustive explanation.

This happens in the entire medical field, not just HT diagnosis of all Doctor is different from each other unless it is something like a organ failure kind of thing which all the doctors have to agree because it is a very evident thing. But something that cannot be seen or examined by the naked eye each one will have his own theory and chances are one who has said less and if you take it as an example and use it as a example with the second. The second might just sa I don't care what the first has said but this is what I feel and think.

It is easily a good way to Hike up the Graft count and there by hike up the bill. That is what I fear about. Now in my case if the Number one Doctor in HT in India most arguably (Sorry have been warned here against giving his name) tells me I only require 500-600 grafts just because I cannot afford his rates, and go somebody else the nest will one have his own graft count this is what I hate and don't wanna let happen.

Sorry? I don`t understand. Can you give us the background please? You think you need much less than some Dr. advised you?

In case just post some pics so we can evaluate.

Read my earlier thread in the other section which goes by "How many more grafts required just to bring widow's peak down"

Because I am in India and I don't wanna get it done outside India.

Hi, you can find numerous threads about Dr. Bhatti when you use the search engine! As Mickey mentioned, he was considered for recommendation, but it was decided not to take him in the list "this time". I commented on this in my thread here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/170355-my-experience-dr-tejinder-bhatti-2364-grafts-fue-restore-hairline.html

I can assure you that you will make a good decision if you chose him, I am greatly convinced of his surgical skills and his ethics, it was just a pleasure to have the surgery being done by him, the overall experience was really great! If you have some additional questions, please don`t hesitate to PM me.

Yes I have gone through some threads here about Dr.Bhatti. Thanks for your help since you have already done a procedure with him I sure do have some questions for you regarding him, I will PM you those...

This this and this! Bhatti is the best FUE surgeon in India by far. He only practices strip in conjunction with fue(fue/fut hybrid) but his strip work is absolutely brutal. He has made alot of outlandish claims on fue that even i dont agree with. When any doctor(any) claims less than 2% transection, that is not right. I dont care which surgeon you are. However, claims aside he does have some great resulta out there just be cautious that he doesnt use grafts for the sake of using thek if you know what i mean.

I get your point Mate and that is what I am most worried about I know with my kind of requirement which even the tools now given here to measure a estimate hair grafts required confirm this, that I don't require a lot of grafts so the moment a Dr starts talking about some outrageously high number of hair grafts that I would require like 1000-1500 it really starts ringing the red alarm in my mind

His website does have a contact form, but no email ID, can anyone mention here his Email Id ?

I think he is the only trusted Indian FUE surgeon with confidence and posted results. Madhu and Radha are strip surgeons and never or rarely practice FUE. Dr. Bhatti has many FUE and BHT results posted here if you search his name in the search button above. I think recommending him will make him the first Asian FUE surgeon in HTN to be recommended. Wish it happens one day as ASIA needs FUE!

So he is good but he is not officially Reccomended by the Forum here is that what u r saying ?

The entire red area marked for the 600 but tapering off in the temples. However, you may need more if density needs to be added to your existing hairline. That's why a lot of the Feriduni examples are well over 1000 grafts. He is no doubt packing the grafts in even denser than 40 per sq cm.

 

I think you need to see a few drs in person but for now you probably need to budget for between 500-1500 grafts. It's too hard to tell without detailed pictures.

So if one reputed Dr tells me say 600 grafts and for the same thing if a equally reputed Dr tells me 1000 grafts How do I decide who is giving me a correct estimate and what is the correct, true number of grafts that I require and that is indeed the case 3-4 doctors that I have met, sent my pictures all have given me different number of estimates !! So now how Do I know who is correct and how much do I require ?

I think about 600 for the widows peak only.

 

If you choose to do a lot more with the temples we could be talking 1500-2000 grafts, as confirmed by some of the FUE examples on Dr Feriduni's site:

 

FUE

Wait a second I am getting confused again you are saying 600 grafts for widow's peak only that includes the area around the widow's peak line right ? like where my hairline ends on the forehead that entire border line right ? Like the one you have marked in red light on my picture or are you saying 600 just for the centre peak the middle portion tip of my hairline.

Hey Guys,

I have got an quote from a Dr whose name cannot be used here he is the best but then so are expensive his charges as well.

As a second best option, just second in the list.

Since I only wanna do a FUE Technique I was thinking about Dr. Tejinder Bhatti in Chandigarh India. How is his feedback ? does he do a good job ? in terms of results produced ? is he recommended here ?

Please Advise ?

Thanks

Augustya

Hope you don't mind but I've taken the liberty to edit one of your photos.

 

I guess the red line is something like what you're looking for. I measured my own head and lengthways it's between 15-18cm depending on how far into the temples you go.

 

1cm x 15cm x 40 = 600 grafts maximum.

 

So maybe the 500 estimate is about right.

 

So if you wanted to lower another half cm, 750 grafts...

Fantastic !! You are my Hero ! The red line is exactly what I am looking for...So you are saying even if it goes a little low in the temples with the First Line the Red Line it should still not be more then 600 Grafts right ?

Apart from me looking to have option of shaving my head in future, isnt there any other parameter to decide between FUE and FUT considering my pattern of baldness. I am inclined towards FUE as I have come to know the it gives less density but better and natural look. Could anyone please suggest looking at pics I posted in previous posts. Thanks

I don't think FUT or FUE has got anything to do with the results or density, results can be the same with both it is the extracting method that seperates both of them the implanting method is the same with both so how can the result be different for both finally it depends on the skill and expertise of the Doctor doing it as the results can vary based on how he does it rather then what methodology he uses it.

Try to estimate the number of square cm of area you want to cover and multiply by 40.

Oh Man that's gonna be tough :-) let me try so if I wanna bring my widows peak down by 1 index finger which would be roughly 1 CM does it mean I will require another 40 grafts just to bring my peak down ?

In other words, it can take a lot of grafts for only a small area.

Nope not always, though me myself I am asking for a graft estimate here I know atleast this much it also depends on the skill of he Doctor u r getting it Done from...

I don't know how I've required so many grafts for just the front of my head, 6500 so far.

Please don't hijack my thread !

If u r looking out for some help put it as a separate thread !!

I used the Calculate Grafts required mentioned in the sticky notes put here by Mickey85

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/mm/calc.html

and Boy was I not delighted by the results it gave.

It gave me a Estimate of Grafts required, exactly what the Dr I am planning to get it done from told me, 500 Grafts. However this is just to bring the hairline along the widow's peak to bring a 1 CM down so If I just incase even think about bringing my widow's peak point a little lower should I add what ? another 50/100 grafts more for this ?

Please see the attached picture, it shows the point that I am also thinking about ?

Thanks in Advance !