Regular Member FaganBecker Posted January 25 Author Regular Member Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2024 at 12:29 AM, jjalay said: I would not jump into a second surgery before the 12 month mark in your case. Honestly i dont know if its better to add more singles in order to repair this or to remove many of the multigrafts and replace them with single grafts. You hairline is already low enough and in order to camouflage this properly you will have to bring the hairline another half cm low, this wont age nice. Before making your decision you should have a second opinion from doctors that specilize in such repair cases like BIsanga, Lupanzula in Belgium, Edward ball, manni mittal and raghu reddy in the UK. You dont have to lose anything and its always better to make an informed decision knowing all the aspects. If you decide to go with the same clinic aske them who will perform the surgery on you and to show you examples of similar cases like yours where they have managed to do a repair. If they dont have such examples, run for the hills. Given how high up my hairline is, and with relatively receded sides, I'm not sure if adding half a cm of singles would be a bad thing! Do you really think thats ill advised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted January 25 Regular Member Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, FaganBecker said: Given how high up my hairline is, and with relatively receded sides, I'm not sure if adding half a cm of singles would be a bad thing! Do you really think thats ill advised? I think your hairline is preety low. You should ask for a second opinion and ask them to show you examples where they did such repairs before proceeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarAhmed89 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Looks very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member duchaine Posted January 25 Senior Member Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, FaganBecker said: May I ask why you'd suggest waiting? Because you could be a slow grower so you have still time to improve. if you have transplanted hair that are still in telogen, you risk to “kill them” if you get an ht now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TakeAction Posted January 25 Regular Member Share Posted January 25 Your result will look good to the vast majority of people who are not obsessed with hair. Can it be improved? Yes, but I wouldn't stress too much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member wembley Posted January 25 Regular Member Share Posted January 25 11 hours ago, FaganBecker said: May I ask why you'd suggest waiting? because thats not your final result at 6 months. Many patients get more hairs till the 12 month. Some grafts grow later than others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member KSA91 Posted January 26 Regular Member Share Posted January 26 I noticed you didn't post a picture of the board with the amount of singles, doubles, and multis they extracted. Do you have that photo by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted February 8 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8 On 1/26/2024 at 3:07 AM, KSA91 said: I noticed you didn't post a picture of the board with the amount of singles, doubles, and multis they extracted. Do you have that photo by any chance? I'm afraid I don't have the photo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted February 8 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8 (edited) So I am now 10 days off 7 months. There has been a little improvement, but the growth is still poor on the left side and the hairline does, to my eyes and my girlfriends, look pretty odd. Obviously, will be returning to HLC to take them up on their free touch up, but probably not anytime soon having just started a new job. Here are a few progress pics in various lightings. Edited February 8 by FaganBecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted February 8 Regular Member Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, FaganBecker said: So I am now 10 days off 7 months. There has been a little improvement, but the growth is still poor on the left side and the hairline does, to my eyes and my girlfriends, look pretty odd. Obviously, will be returning to HLC to take them up on their free touch up, but probably not anytime soon having just started a new job. Here are a few progress pics in various lightings. Have you tried different hairstyles to coevr it up? This is another case from the same doctor with the same problem as yours, aka multis on the hairline. But he is able to get away with it by bringing the hairs on the right and a little bit on the front: If you are in the Uk before jumping into another surgery i would suggest you having a consultation with someone like edward ball or raghu reddy to be sure about your options. Bisanga and Lupanzulal are also into such repairs. I really think that your hairline is already way too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted February 8 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8 10 minutes ago, jjalay said: Have you tried different hairstyles to coevr it up? This is another case from the same doctor with the same problem as yours, aka multis on the hairline. But he is able to get away with it by bringing the hairs on the right and a little bit on the front: If you are in the Uk before jumping into another surgery i would suggest you having a consultation with someone like edward ball or raghu reddy to be sure about your options. Bisanga and Lupanzulal are also into such repairs. I really think that your hairline is already way too low. Honestly not much that I can do about style yet. It doesn't really brush one way or another and it is far too thin and sparse to be brushed forward without looking kinda patchy. Interesting that you think it look too low already! I disagree, personally. I was given three options for where it should sit on my head, all within the realms of what they deemed 'natural' and I went for the middle one. The lower one would hae been about 0.5cm lower than this. Personally, I dislike the look of hair transplants that are quite high up. I think that as your hair recedes it disrupts the clean lines of a hairline. So when I see guys with pretty neat hairlines that are high up on their heads, I think its a tell tale sign of an HT. However, the thing that I think is the problem with mine - aside from the multis - is how incredibly straight the lines are. They don't follow the curvature of my head but cut across it. So it doesn't look like natural recession, which is what I was hoping for! I think HLC agrees with me too, hence their saying they would correct that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted February 8 Regular Member Share Posted February 8 20 minutes ago, FaganBecker said: Honestly not much that I can do about style yet. It doesn't really brush one way or another and it is far too thin and sparse to be brushed forward without looking kinda patchy. Interesting that you think it look too low already! I disagree, personally. I was given three options for where it should sit on my head, all within the realms of what they deemed 'natural' and I went for the middle one. The lower one would hae been about 0.5cm lower than this. Personally, I dislike the look of hair transplants that are quite high up. I think that as your hair recedes it disrupts the clean lines of a hairline. So when I see guys with pretty neat hairlines that are high up on their heads, I think its a tell tale sign of an HT. However, the thing that I think is the problem with mine - aside from the multis - is how incredibly straight the lines are. They don't follow the curvature of my head but cut across it. So it doesn't look like natural recession, which is what I was hoping for! I think HLC agrees with me too, hence their saying they would correct that too. Did you get a second opinion from another doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted February 8 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, jjalay said: Did you get a second opinion from another doctor? No, not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member jjalay Posted February 8 Regular Member Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, FaganBecker said: No, not yet You have time before getting into second surgery. I suggest you do that, you dont have to lose anything and repairs sometimes are not that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Jackdaniels Posted February 10 Regular Member Share Posted February 10 On 2/8/2024 at 6:43 PM, FaganBecker said: So I am now 10 days off 7 months. There has been a little improvement, but the growth is still poor on the left side and the hairline does, to my eyes and my girlfriends, look pretty odd. Obviously, will be returning to HLC to take them up on their free touch up, but probably not anytime soon having just started a new job. Here are a few progress pics in various lightings. The fact that HLC already offered you a free touch up, before the 12 month mark, shows that HLC is an ethical clinic, which cares about its patients. If I was in your case I would definitely go back to HLC for the free touch up, since it would do everything to satisfy you. Also Their doctors have the experience and expertise to make your hairline look perfect… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted March 3 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 3 Two weeks off 8 months… what do we think? Is this a failed transplant? I know I’m going back for a 2nd touch up one probably around august this year (that will be 13 months since my first) but still obviously eagerly hoping this improves. Am I unlikely to see more growth at this stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted March 3 Valued Contributor Share Posted March 3 This last phot looks good. Your previous photo shows doubles in the frontal hairline and a lack of micro irregularities. I would not recommend going back to the same doctor/clinic in my opinion as this is the first tennant of surgery rules that has been broken in creating a natural hairline. 3 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted March 3 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 3 34 minutes ago, Gatsby said: This last phot looks good. Your previous photo shows doubles in the frontal hairline and a lack of micro irregularities. I would not recommend going back to the same doctor/clinic in my opinion as this is the first tennant of surgery rules that has been broken in creating a natural hairline. Is this really what you'd consider a good result? Despite being so thin and sparse at the base and front of the hairline? You can see right through it. Also, closer up it does seem to be almost entirely doubles at the hairline. However, when i spoke to them on the phone about this, they did say that shouldn't be the case and that it's because usually they split grafts if it looks like it is going to be a double, yet they must not have done that properly with mine. They told me that it should be an easy fix, to soften the lines of the hairline and make it suit my head better, and to add more singles in to make it appear more natural too... However, it would also be free. I'm not sure I could afford to spend a bunch on going to a new surgeon any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted March 3 Valued Contributor Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, FaganBecker said: Is this really what you'd consider a good result? Despite being so thin and sparse at the base and front of the hairline? You can see right through it. Also, closer up it does seem to be almost entirely doubles at the hairline. However, when i spoke to them on the phone about this, they did say that shouldn't be the case and that it's because usually they split grafts if it looks like it is going to be a double, yet they must not have done that properly with mine. They told me that it should be an easy fix, to soften the lines of the hairline and make it suit my head better, and to add more singles in to make it appear more natural too... However, it would also be free. I'm not sure I could afford to spend a bunch on going to a new surgeon any time soon I said in the last photo it looks good. The other photos highlighted what I said about the doubles in the hairline. Also I stand by not recommending that you go back to them for a free touch up (which is a good show of faith in their work). Because if they can get the hairline so badly wrong performing your surgery, what guarantee will you have that they have the higher necessary skills to repair it? All the best with whatever way you decide going forward. 🙏 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted March 3 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 3 (edited) Would you really say then that this hairline is "so badly wrong" rather than just a professional misstep that any surgeon could produce from time to time? You did just say a minute ago that it looks good too... can a hairline that was done "so badly wrong" also look good?! Regarding growth, do you think I'm at the end of the road now? Edited March 3 by FaganBecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted March 3 Valued Contributor Share Posted March 3 Every surgeon has a result that’s no perfect. If you are concerned about the doubles then it’s a very common procedure to remedy with an elite surgeon. Conversely if it doesn’t bother you then leave it. Ultimately it how you feel about it. No one else. GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted March 3 Senior Member Share Posted March 3 Thanks for sharing your case. In my option you should get at least one (better two) consultations with clinics who have a strong reputations in hairline design (e. g. Shapiro - US; Feriduni - Belgium; Heitmann - Switzerland; ...). From my point of view the biggest issue is not the growth and not the doubles in the hairline (even it is an truly annoying issue) but the hairline macro design. The hairline has a (too) strong V-shape (surprisingly this cannot be seen from the immediate post op pics) which does not match your facial features and might be even too low in the middle. Also the connection to the temporal peaks is not ideal. Just adding singles in the front might not be the solution. Nevertheless, it is not terrible and can be fixed with a good plan. 2 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spring15 Posted March 4 Senior Member Share Posted March 4 Wouldn't say "failed" , there is still decent density and after a small second procedure it should be a great result 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member FaganBecker Posted March 4 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 4 (edited) 14 hours ago, Gasthoerer said: Thanks for sharing your case. In my option you should get at least one (better two) consultations with clinics who have a strong reputations in hairline design (e. g. Shapiro - US; Feriduni - Belgium; Heitmann - Switzerland; ...). From my point of view the biggest issue is not the growth and not the doubles in the hairline (even it is an truly annoying issue) but the hairline macro design. The hairline has a (too) strong V-shape (surprisingly this cannot be seen from the immediate post op pics) which does not match your facial features and might be even too low in the middle. Also the connection to the temporal peaks is not ideal. Just adding singles in the front might not be the solution. Nevertheless, it is not terrible and can be fixed with a good plan. Good idea regarding contacting other clinics. I will do that! I've also dropped HLC a text asking if we can discuss what the surgery plan is and if I can ask a doctor some questions. One thing I dislike about them is how limited their customer service is. They treat getting a hair transplant like getting a haircut, with a very casual, ok yeah come back whenever you like for a touch up. No detail at all. And very short, limited and usually very late responses to any concerns. I appreciate them inviting me back to correct it, but do find the casual and tardy approach to communication pretty concerning. Think you're right. It is a tad too low at the front, marginally anyway. I definitely want to smooth out the lines and perhaps rather than bringing the sides down to where the front is, just curve them more and connect them to slightly more filled out temporal peaks. Does that sound like it would resolve the issue? Edited March 4 by FaganBecker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member KSA91 Posted March 5 Regular Member Share Posted March 5 I agree with the previous comment that the V is too sharp. There's a guy with a very similar head shape to yours who had surgery done with Dr Bisanga. We can't post links here but if you go to the BHR clinic's YouTube page "BHR Clinic hair transplant specialists" then go to the shorts tab and click on the second video on the list. The thumbnail has a red background with the number 52 in the top left corner. The guy on the clip has a very soft V and it's lowered by only half an inch. He has the same head shape as yours. Watch the video and let me know what you think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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