Clark Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Disclaimer: This is a newer account that I created to add a further degree of anonymity. This is a 11-month progress update with the intention of providing a relevant and recent experience for anyone considering Dr. Vories in 2023 and to also seek constructive feedback on the transplant and advice on my current ‘situation’. Background: late 20’s male, curly hair ~NW2 with some minor loss in the crown. Protocol: Inconsistent Minoxidil user for 4yrs, 1mg of finasteride every day for 4 years. I had also tried RU58841 inconsistently. Why Dr. Vories? The rationale for choosing Dr. Vories was based upon positive reviews on this forum, price, location (U.S.), and the surgeon performing all the work/one patient a day. I booked the surgery at the beginning of October, and the surgery was performed 9 February 2022. I flew down the day prior and ubered to Dr. Vories office the following morning, the surgery began at 7am local time. When I first arrived, I signed some paperwork and paid for the surgery. Dr. Vories then took a look at my hair and further assessed my level of balding/recession. After the assessment I went to get it shaved bald. Upon being shaved bald I went into the exam room, and he started drawing on my new hairline. Dr. Vories was very concerned with naturalness and didn’t draw out an aggressive hairline in my opinion. Whilst I was pleased with the design, I would have liked a slightly lowered hairline as I have a bigger forehead and are still relatively young, but I trusted his judgement and professional expertise. Although, after drawing it on he did comment that the hairline design was on the aggressive side. In looking at his prior work, I understood what he meant by this. He also stated that the results will make a huge difference for me, for my profile, look etc. I was slightly concerned about my donor area, but he assured me I had adequate donor grafts for three or more transplants. No further corrections or further adjustments were made to the initial design. Surgery: The surgery was performed by Dr. Vories and two of his technicians they load his hair implanter pens and all extractions and graft placements are done by Dr. Vories. The surgery was pretty quick and painless minus the injections, we did break for a short lunch. Dr. Vories didn’t speak much but was courteous. He has also been very responsive to texts, emails after the surgery which is appreciated. Post-Op: I was debriefed and given a prescription of Hydrocodone and instructed to first take Ibuprofen 600mg (3 tables of 200mg), every 6 hours and then if pain became severe (typically when going to bed) to take the Hydrocodone but not to exceed 2-3 doses a day. The day after I was instructed to continue to spray the grafted area with saline spray on the hour up to bedtime. But, after going to sleep that night the saline spray would no longer needed to be used. The second day after the procedure was my wash day. I used a small cup with a 50/50 mix of water and head and shoulders shampoo and poured it over my head. Then I gently dabbed the wet surgical sponge on the grafts in an up and down motion. This washing continued for the first week following surgery. After this one week I was allowed to go back to washing the grafts normally i.e., take a shower. Now I shall address the concerns: Whilst I was quoted 2,000 grafts based upon my initial photos, I was never given an updated actual graft count. The screen that was linked to his foot pedestal counter apparatus it didn’t actually reflect the current graft count it stayed at zero the entire surgery (I should have brought this up).. EDIT my breakout of grafts is as follows: Total 2028 grafts, 620 triples, 1120 doubles, 228 singles. Additionally, and this has become a common theme throughout the various forums is the sheer number of multis in my hairline, I’ll let you judge this. Overall, though I am pleased with my results minus the redness pimples/ingrown mess I have on my left side. I will probably be going to a dermatologist for this… The caveat to being pleased with my results is that if my hair wasn’t curly and didn’t naturally cover and mask my hairline, I would be more concerned and would probably mark down my overall satisfaction with the current 11-month results. Feedback is appreciated, thank you. Day 0: Day 3 random pictures: Day 6: lizard boi -I had stopped saline spray after day 1 per Dr. Vories, this was the result, poor healer I presume? Day 10: After first shower, most scabs had come off Day 11: Accident - Last remaining scab had came off prematurely (my fault) no graft loss or blood flow, just blood in that spot. Day 13: Day 15: Day 40 Day 56 (8 weeks) Day 62 (9 weeks) Day 79 (11 weeks) Day 96 (13.5 weeks): Brushed forward hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Day 110 (15.5 weeks) Day 117 (16.5 weeks) Day 137 (19.4 weeks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 230 days (7 Months): Left side still pretty poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 272 Days (9 months~): Side profile shots 330 days (~11 months): Transplanted hairline is still not super thick and curly as you can tell its still somewhat frizzy and wiry when there's no product in. Hoping this changes over time. Redness ingrown/pimples are still prevalent on the left Transplanted Curls not the greatest as you can tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member aNewHairHope Posted January 12, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted January 12, 2023 I agree with you about the high calibre multi-grafts on the hairline. It should be densely packed singles on the first couple of rows for a soft look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted January 12, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted January 12, 2023 You have excellent hair for coverage with your hair being so curly. However the amount of doubles throughout the hairline perplexes me. Did the doctors and the techs wear/use high powered microscopes when assessing the grafts? Your curly hair does a great job of covering the hairline. GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Dillpickle123 Posted January 13, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted January 13, 2023 It seems it’s was done on purpose what I mean by that is that it’s perhaps his style to have Multis in the hairline as I’ve seen other threads with the same thing but with most transplants it’s never a one and done your gonna have to get a couple hundred grafts to make it look more natural with a bunch of singles and other to fill in the gaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spring15 Posted January 13, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted January 13, 2023 Close ups aren't a real help. Every transplant looks garbage if you zoom it that much. Result looks decent overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member A Fue Good Men Posted January 13, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted January 13, 2023 What concerns me is the heavy, dark scabbing, especially on your left side. I’m not doctor, but that adherent scab with the blood could have been a small spot of necrosis. I think the yield on the left side was compromised due to the necrotic area. Imo this also coincides with the redness that still exists in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TheManeMan Posted April 5, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) . Edited April 5, 2023 by TheManeMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TheManeMan Posted April 5, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) On 1/13/2023 at 6:40 AM, Spring15 said: Close ups aren't a real help. Every transplant looks garbage if you zoom it that much. Result looks decent overall FUEGenix posts really high definition photos of the hairline and they look natural. Would you be happy with the results in the OP? Edited April 5, 2023 by TheManeMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Rafael Manelli Posted April 5, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted April 5, 2023 Poor show by dr vories. Those multis are a clear tell. Not the best density either. At least it grew well. The donor seems to have been managed decently and the design looks natural. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Chrisno Posted April 5, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted April 5, 2023 I'm sorry for my blunt input, but it's honest feedback: you need a second procedure to establish a hairline with only single grafts, and also create more irregularities in the hairline. The way it is now, it looks pluggy and straight = not natural. You might need to punch out multis in the hairline. It puzzles me to see almost only multi grafts in the hairline. If I were you, I would only seek out the very best of surgeons for your repair surgery. Before that, of course, you should sort out the redness and/or folliculitis with a dermatologist. 2 2500 FUE by Dr. Victor Hasson, June 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member harryforreal Posted August 26, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 26, 2023 Any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member BaldReaper Posted August 26, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 26, 2023 First time I see a hairline created only by multigrafts, not even turkish mills do that, is this doctor recommended by the forum? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member stephcurry30 Posted August 26, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 26, 2023 This is an awful result and we need to reach out to the surgeon to make this right. The scaring (red dots) combined with the amount of multi grafts in the hairline is unbelievable. this would PISS me off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor A_4_Archan Posted August 27, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted August 27, 2023 @Clark Not a natural hairline ..what did your doctor say about this? Check Out My Hair Transplant Journey --> My Thread 3611 FUE Grafts With Dr Kongkiat Laorwong | Norwood 5 | 2nd May 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member stephcurry30 Posted August 27, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 27, 2023 @Melvin- Moderator Can you reach out to the clinic for a statement? This is ALARMING to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spring15 Posted August 27, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, stephcurry30 said: @Melvin- Moderator Can you reach out to the clinic for a statement? This is ALARMING to say the least! Is this clinic on the forums recommended list? If not it's probably just another below average American clinic with expected results like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member stephcurry30 Posted August 27, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Spring15 said: Is this clinic on the forums recommended list? If not it's probably just another below average American clinic with expected results like this he is https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/dr-mike-vories 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member baddecisions Posted August 27, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted August 27, 2023 on the pictures by the 11 months the skin seems even damaged, i'm so sorry you have to deal with this poor result 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 28, 2023 Administrators Share Posted August 28, 2023 @Clark Can you send me your full name and date of surgery via pm. I’m concerned at the number of multi’s in the hairline. There shouldn’t be that many doubles in the hairline. I will be reaching out to clinic for their response. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Chrisno Posted August 28, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted August 28, 2023 18 hours ago, stephcurry30 said: he is https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/dr-mike-vories It's alarming he is on the recommended list. Imagine checking up on recommended doctors, finding this doctor and believing you'll have a good result, only to end up with an almost straight hairline withour any irregularities and only consisting of multi grafts. Additionally, it seems OP has some scalp issues which likely is from the surgery as well. In my opinion, cases like these warrant that a doctor is removed from the recommended surgeon list. No question about it. It's pure neglience. Was loupes / magnification not used in sorting the grafts? Were single hairs not extracted at all? 2 2500 FUE by Dr. Victor Hasson, June 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted August 28, 2023 Administrators Share Posted August 28, 2023 Guys, While I agree. It’s alarming. Let’s give the clinic the opportunity to explain what happened, and to make it right. I’ll be reaching out to the clinic today. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrocXII Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Yikes, I have my procedure soon with this Dr. Based on his posted results, it does look like he gets good growth; however, the hairlines do seem concerning, like what’s been presented here. Any suggestions on how I should advocate for a hairline that is more natural from this Dr? I did consult with him based on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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