1400 Grafts FUE. UK

[Rice]

Was advised against bringing the temples inwards. Happy with the design, hoping for the best. I believe it was 1400 grafts total, around 240 being singles. 

Before:

After grafts put in:

[Dillpickle123]

What clinic did you go to?

[HappyMan2021]

who was the surgeon? Looks like you are a NW3 or even almost a NW4.

1400 grafts is likely not enough for a satisfactory end-result, but hopefully this is a good first-pass 👍

[Rice]

SurgeryGroup Nottingham. Dr Ahmad Moussa

[Rice]

Just now, HappyMan2021 said:

who was the surgeon? Looks like you are a NW3 or even almost a NW4.

1400 grafts is likely not enough for a satisfactory end-result, but hopefully this is a good first-pass 👍

The number was lower than I was expecting, but was told you couldn't really pack much more in. It's not a massive area.

[Dillpickle123]

10 minutes ago, HappyMan2021 said:

who was the surgeon? Looks like you are a NW3 or even almost a NW4.

1400 grafts is likely not enough for a satisfactory end-result, but hopefully this is a good first-pass 👍

If he’s a nw 4 then I am too lol he’s a nw2 bordering to nw3

[Dillpickle123]

I had a similar design as your with similar hairloss I did 2000 grafts so def will help for a first pass 

[Rice]

Just now, Dillpickle123 said:

If he’s a nw 4 then I am too lol he’s a nw2 bordering to nw3

Was gonna say. NW4 is a bit mean 😭. Ive posted what I look like on here before and the consensus was NW2. Some Turkish clinics reckoned NW3.

 

[HappyMan2021]

1 minute ago, Rice said:

Was gonna say. NW4 is a bit mean 😭. Ive posted what I look like on here before and the consensus was NW2. Some Turkish clinics reckoned NW3.

 

True True, NW2/NW3. 

[Rice]

1 minute ago, Dillpickle123 said:

I had a similar design as your with similar hairloss I did 2000 grafts so def will help for a first pass 

Time will tell. I mean I hope I don't need another really. To me it looks dense, and I was assured it was. I've seen good results on reddit around ~1500 grafts for similar hairlines. 

Another clinic in the UK said 2300. Turkish / Eugenix clinics were saying around 1800-2600. So I am surprised, but the Dr said those numbers were quite absurd. 

[Dillpickle123]

3 minutes ago, Rice said:

Time will tell. I mean I hope I don't need another really. To me it looks dense, and I was assured it was. I've seen good results on reddit around ~1500 grafts for similar hairlines. 

Another clinic in the UK said 2300. Turkish / Eugenix clinics were saying around 1800-2600. So I am surprised, but the Dr said those numbers were quite absurd. 

Yea 2600 is absurd for sure I went more aggressive, at first I was quoted 1700 for a more mature hairline such as yours but I went a bit more aggressive and ended up shy of 2000 grafts 

[Rice]

8 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

Yea 2600 is absurd for sure I went more aggressive, at first I was quoted 1700 for a more mature hairline such as yours but I went a bit more aggressive and ended up shy of 2000 grafts 

Do you have a link to yours?

[shiba1985]

It

looks god. U will be happy and also have a

lot

in the bank for future 

[Mike10]

Hi how old are you? I would say you'are a NW2,5.  So I would have estimated someweher closer to the 2000 grafts mark but will see  

[Rice]

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[Dillpickle123]

31 minutes ago, Rice said:

Do you have a link to yours?

I think if u click on my profile 

[Rice]

Just gonna bump this.

I was expecting a higher figure of grafts. At consultation I was expecting up to 1800, but only 1400 went in. Can anyone comment on the density, looking at the photos I attached? Everyones immediately said 1400 is not enough, so I'm a little concerned now. 

[asterix0]

It is hard to say looking at the pictures. At this point there is nothing you can do anyway, so just let the process play out and evaluate it at 7-8 months. 

[Rice]

17 minutes ago, asterix0 said:

It is hard to say looking at the pictures. At this point there is nothing you can do anyway, so just let the process play out and evaluate it at 7-8 months. 

True. Okay. Kinda wish I pushed to get the temples done a bit, but if it grows out dense enough I'll be very happy. 

[asterix0]

19 minutes ago, Rice said:

True. Okay. Kinda wish I pushed to get the temples done a bit, but if it grows out dense enough I'll be very happy. 

Temples are very tricky to do right, don't worry about it, temple recession is natural as men get older.

 

[g8n2h9k3u7]

Hair transplant surgeons seem to be generally terrified of temple points, even on patients with mild Norwoods. They love constructing hairlines without temple points, leading to a very characteristic hairstyle. This is what I identify as the "Mark Zuckerberg hairstyle," that is, a low hairline leading to a vertical forehead length that is normal size, but still-recessed temple points which leads to a horizontal forehead length that is not proportional to the vertical forehead width. 

So your hair ends up looking like...

It means if you want to return to a true Norwood 1, temple points and all, you've got your work cut out for you. For me it will require a second transplant, travelling halfway around the world to a clinic not actually afraid of temple points (Eugenix), and more than doubling my total cost. Annoying.

[Curious25]

23 minutes ago, g8n2h9k3u7 said:

Hair transplant surgeons seem to be generally terrified of temple points, even on patients with mild Norwoods.

Correct. It’s an uncomfortable truth that doesn’t get spoken enough about - but generally, even the supposed greats don’t want to know anything about them. 
 

OP - going off your hair calibre, and the size of your totally hairless recipient area, I agree that 1400 grafts is unlikely to achieve the density I’m assuming you’re aiming for. 
 

However, it’s not so much of an issue - some would argue it’s actually quite a clever approach, to start small, and look to add further density with a second pass. 
Hopefully you’ll get good growth, and perhaps you won’t even want to go for a further surgery, however should you do so, like I have said - it’s arguably a superior strategy to follow for a first time patient undergoing surgery. 
 

23 hours ago, Dillpickle123 said:

Yea 2600 is absurd for sure

I would say this is actually a more accurate assumption of grafts required to fill this area with a range of 40-50cm2 density. 

[Dillpickle123]

40 minutes ago, Curious25 said:

Correct. It’s an uncomfortable truth that doesn’t get spoken enough about - but generally, even the supposed greats don’t want to know anything about them. 
 

OP - going off your hair calibre, and the size of your totally hairless recipient area, I agree that 1400 grafts is unlikely to achieve the density I’m assuming you’re aiming for. 
 

However, it’s not so much of an issue - some would argue it’s actually quite a clever approach, to start small, and look to add further density with a second pass. 
Hopefully you’ll get good growth, and perhaps you won’t even want to go for a further surgery, however should you do so, like I have said - it’s arguably a superior strategy to follow for a first time patient undergoing surgery. 
 

I would say this is actually a more accurate assumption of grafts required to fill this area with a range of 40-50cm2 density. 

No because at most maybe 2000- 2200 would achieve 50-60 density, 2600 is overkill when my area was measured out similar to him I got 2k grafts for 50-60 density Turkish mill clinic always over do it 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Dillpickle123

[Curious25]

20 minutes ago, Dillpickle123 said:

No because at most maybe 2000- 2200 would achieve 50-60 density

Im assuming you know the exact size of the recipients surface area then to make such bold claims 🙂 

I’m merely just going off the pictures, however stand by my assessment that 2600 is a more accurate assumption of grafts required with OP’s hair type to create adequate density for this hairline design, than 1400. 

[Dillpickle123]

1 hour ago, Curious25 said:

Im assuming you know the exact size of the recipients surface area then to make such bold claims 🙂 

I’m merely just going off the pictures, however stand by my assessment that 2600 is a more accurate assumption of grafts required with OP’s hair type to create adequate density for this hairline design, than 1400. 

Calm down it’s just a hairloss forum 😂 making it bigger then it needs to be