Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted October 18, 2022 Senior Member Share Posted October 18, 2022 15 hours ago, eb21007 said: Somehow I missed this question.. my apologies. I plan to call him this week and will ask him all of the above As mentioned by Gatsby above, if you don't mind, please also ask him what solution he keeps the grafts in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 11:50 AM, GoliGoliGoli said: Hey no worries if you don't want to say on the public thread, but is Nader charging you anything for the revision or is it totally free? Or have you not fully discussed those details yet? Update on Dr. Nader's process: Let me answer here. We use the Choi implanter pen, but I don't believe a stabbing pen is the best option for the skin, so we do a previous incision with a cut to size blade before, and use the pen to place the grafts without handling the graft to minimize damage. The holding solution is Hypothermosol, and we do not let the grafts out of body for more than 6 hours in large cases. We also label the grafts by time and by number of hairs per graft, so the first graft out is the first graft in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted November 4, 2022 Senior Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 38 minutes ago, eb21007 said: Update on Dr. Nader's process: Let me answer here. We use the Choi implanter pen, but I don't believe a stabbing pen is the best option for the skin, so we do a previous incision with a cut to size blade before, and use the pen to place the grafts without handling the graft to minimize damage. The holding solution is Hypothermosol, and we do not let the grafts out of body for more than 6 hours in large cases. We also label the grafts by time and by number of hairs per graft, so the first graft out is the first graft in. I think you quoted the wrong post but nevertheless thank you for confirming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 43 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said: I think you quoted the wrong post but nevertheless thank you for confirming! Sorry .. I thought I was just posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted November 4, 2022 Senior Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 Also out of curiosity, is the response about the Choi pens/incision method/solution a direct copy and paste of what Nader said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 Message from Dr. Nader : Update on Dr. Nader's process: We use the Choi implanter pen, but I don't believe a stabbing pen is the best option for the skin, so we do a previous incision with a cut to size blade before, and use the pen to place the grafts without handling the graft to minimize damage. The holding solution is Hypothermosol, and we do not let the grafts out of body for more than 6 hours in large cases. We also label the grafts by time and by number of hairs per graft, so the first graft out is the first graft in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said: Also out of curiosity, is the response about the Choi pens/incision method/solution a direct copy and paste of what Nader said? Yes. I sent him the questions that members have suggested. I am scheduled to see him on Nov 11. He thinks my issue is the miscalculation on how my grafts I needed and amount per sq cm. Dr. Nader has been phenomenal throughout the year. Answers text within 1 hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted November 4, 2022 Senior Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 minute ago, eb21007 said: Yes. I sent him the questions that members have suggested. I am scheduled to see him on Nov 11. He thinks my issue is the miscalculation on how my grafts I needed and amount per sq cm. Dr. Nader has been phenomenal throughout the year. Answers text within 1 hour. Nice glad to know he's been easy to work with on the post-op side. I'll actually be leaving McAllen on the 10th so will just miss you. Best of luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member GoliGoliGoli Posted November 4, 2022 Senior Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 Also, did he give any explanation for why he believes their was a miscalculation on number of grafts needed and density? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said: Also, did he give any explanation for why he believes their was a miscalculation on number of grafts needed and density? He hasn't said. When I did the initial online consult 2500 was the plan. However, in person he changed it to 1725. Congrats on doing yours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 12, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just finished my 2nd procedure with Dr. Nader. Was such a great experience. He has perfected the "no pain" numbing. He and I both feel confident that this procedure Will yield the results that he and I want. The goal is to achieve thickness in the areas that were transplanted last year. He did a slight modification to the hairline because I really wanted to have more coverage in the temple and frontal widow peak. He did advise me to eliminate creatine from pre-workouts etc. He said there are some studies that are linking creatine to hair thinning. It's 7:25 pm and I'm back in the hotel for a few hours now and I am pain free chilling . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just finished my 2nd procedure with Dr. Nader. Was such a great experience. He has perfected the "no pain" numbing. He and I both feel confident that this procedure Will yield the results that he and I want. The goal is to achieve thickness in the areas that were transplanted last year. He did a slight modification to the hairline because I really wanted to have more coverage in the temple and frontal widow peak. He did advise me to eliminate creatine from pre-workouts etc. He said there are some studies that are linking creatine to hair thinning. It's 7:25 pm and I'm back in the hotel for a few hours now and I am pain free chilling . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member pidds Posted November 14, 2022 Regular Member Share Posted November 14, 2022 Looks like great work. How may grafts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted November 14, 2022 Valued Contributor Share Posted November 14, 2022 Happy healing and happy growing. I look forward to your updates. 👌 1 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, pidds said: Looks like great work. How may grafts? Thx . 1772 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 14, 2022 10 hours ago, pidds said: Looks like great work. How may grafts? Thx. 1772 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Trichotrophy Posted November 15, 2022 Regular Member Share Posted November 15, 2022 Good luck with your outcome this time around! I'm sorry you didn't yield the results you should have had with the first operation. This is the first failed FUE I've seen from Nader, and I'm really curious as to what exactly sunk it. It doesn't seem that he's used any different methods or instruments than he has for most other patients, and they've all had consistently solid-to-great results. Part of it definitely seemed to be a miscalculation on his part. Most patients I've seen who needed that extent of coverage required well over 2,000 grafts. The real crux of the failure, however, seems to be a poor graft-survival rate. Your hairline shouldn't have been that see-through with that amount of grafts, unless they were all single-follicle grafts. Has Nader shared any theories as to why there was apparently so much graft loss? Anything that might have caused graft rejections? Most likely it was just anomaly and you'll get better results from this second FUE, but I don't feel as if the initial failure should go unexplained. Dr. Luis Nader, 3,902 grafts (July 12th-13th, 2022). https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/67433-6-month-results-3902-graft-fue-july-12th-13th-2023-dr-luis-nader-reynosa-mexico-norwood-3v-31m/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted November 21, 2022 Author Regular Member Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 7:29 PM, Trichotrophy said: Good luck with your outcome this time around! I'm sorry you didn't yield the results you should have had with the first operation. This is the first failed FUE I've seen from Nader, and I'm really curious as to what exactly sunk it. It doesn't seem that he's used any different methods or instruments than he has for most other patients, and they've all had consistently solid-to-great results. Part of it definitely seemed to be a miscalculation on his part. Most patients I've seen who needed that extent of coverage required well over 2,000 grafts. The real crux of the failure, however, seems to be a poor graft-survival rate. Your hairline shouldn't have been that see-through with that amount of grafts, unless they were all single-follicle grafts. Has Nader shared any theories as to why there was apparently so much graft loss? Anything that might have caused graft rejections? Most likely it was just anomaly and you'll get better results from this second FUE, but I don't feel as if the initial failure should go unexplained. It could be due to several factors . Graft miscalculation and I do not have many triple and quad hair follicles. Per the count sheet, I have a majority of singles and doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Norwood_infinity Posted January 11, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 5/19/2022 at 3:45 PM, eb21007 said: Oral minoox, 1m propecia daily and 1.5 microneedle 1x per month. Any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Norwood_infinity said: Any update? Too soon to tell. Only at the 2 month mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex91 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 How is it looking? Do you think you can provide an update now or still need more time to tell? I know 4 months is still a bit early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted March 21, 2023 Administrators Share Posted March 21, 2023 Would love an update as well. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member eb21007 Posted March 24, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 24, 2023 This weekend I will post some photos and let you guys be the judge. I honestly dont see a change yet. I will let you guys be the judge . I really have a idgaf attitude about it right now . I was pissed about my last one being a failure and now I just don't even care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex91 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I’m sorry you are feeling that way man, but 4 months is still very early and you can’t really judge your result too harshly yet. I hope you the best and hoping your end result comes out to something you’re happy with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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