Am I right or my Doc?

[Zaro222]

I have had a hair transplant here in Australia. The clinic says it is 2300 grafts, I counted  and found 1200 grafts. please look at my photos and say who is right?

[Zaro222]

1 hour ago, qui bono said:

Hi, I remember you from the other thread (I counted the grafts last time and only got to around 1100 myself).

 

I would suggest you count the donor extractions as well, and depending on that answer it means one of two things occurred;

1) If you count only 1100-1200 extractions in the donor it means the clinic overcharged by double. This means they are unethical and I'd ask for a refund. 

2) If you count 2300 extractions it means they had a 50% transection rate or threw away around 1100 grafts. This means they are completely incompetent/unethical and I'd ask for a refund.

 

It's really going to be about how well you negotiate with the clinic (you might have to look through your contract), but I think it's pretty obvious something dodgy happened here and they failed to provide you with their services. 

Thank you very much, I remember you counted my grafts. It gave me a hint to go count them myself on hd photo to be certain it was really the case. unfortunately I could not find more than 1200 grafts, as per donor area, I counted upto 1700 punch holes. I shared my concerns with the clinic, they have responded and i copy paste some paragaphs here.

Quote

 

"I appreciate you bringing your concerns to my attention. It is a frightening time for many waiting for results after a procedure.  When you go sourcing comments from the internet, at this stage, it is not hard to find people who are more than willing to criticise other peoples’ work. The internet is full of so-called experts who find enjoyment in picking out ‘faults’. In my experience, once results start to come through these comments begin to fade.

 

Comparing with photos from other surgeries is misleading; there would be a whole range of photos of cases of 2300 grafts and how much area this would cover, and they would all be different. Placement of your grafts is depended on variables such as graft thickness, and we found your grafts to be healthy and thick. Because of this, to avoid them popping out, they were placed marginally wider apart than someone who would have thinner grafts. You use the comparison photo to suggest that the graft numbers my team planted are short, and this is something I reject. My team and I are very careful about counting graft numbers. My team harvested 2307 grafts. If it were 1200 grafts, as you suggest, we would have been finished the day by 3pm, not 6:30pm. 1200 grafts could never have covered this sort of area or given it much density. 1200 grafts would not give you a good result for this area and we expect to get a good result.  These grafts were sorted into single haired and multiples/groups, based on the number of roots not hairs. 30% were single haired grafts (1 root), and these were doubled and tripled with other single haired grafts to create better density for you. The plan was to densify the front area as much as possible. You would not get as good density with just single haired grafts. The photos that were taken immediately after the procedure show that your grafts were far more compact in some areas than your later photo suggests. Grafts do not always have crusts or tissue to see, especially when they are pushed in, so the surrounding tissue is flush with the scalp.  We can only advise you how to look after them, sleep with them and care for them and we cannot be responsible for what happens outside of our control. I understand you called technition the day after your procedure concerned that you had touched your grafts in your sleep and sent her a photo for clarification. Two of my technicians also mentioned to me that you expressed concern that you have a habit of touching your head at night-time, to which you were advised that we provide you with the necessary items to avoid this, but that it is up to you to be mindful of this."

 

that was their response. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Zaro222

[Melvin- Admin]

The grafts look chunky, it’s possible they have extracted 2,300 and combined them into 1,200 sites. 

[deeznuts]

3 hours ago, Zaro222 said:

 

 

Comparing with photos from other surgeries is misleading; there would be a whole range of photos of cases of 2300 grafts and how much area this would cover, and they would all be different. Placement of your grafts is depended on variables such as graft thickness, and we found your grafts to be healthy and thick. Because of this, to avoid them popping out, they were placed marginally wider apart than someone who would have thinner grafts. You use the comparison photo to suggest that the graft numbers my team planted are short, and this is something I reject. My team and I are very careful about counting graft numbers. My team harvested 2307 grafts. If it were 1200 grafts, as you suggest, we would have been finished the day by 3pm, not 6:30pm. 1200 grafts could never have covered this sort of area or given it much density. 1200 grafts would not give you a good result for this area and we expect to get a good result.  These grafts were sorted into single haired and multiples/groups, based on the number of roots not hairs. 30% were single haired grafts (1 root), and these were doubled and tripled with other single haired grafts to create better density for you. The plan was to densify the front area as much as possible. You would not get as good density with just single haired grafts. The photos that were taken immediately after the procedure show that your grafts were far more compact in some areas than your later photo suggests. Grafts do not always have crusts or tissue to see, especially when they are pushed in, so the surrounding tissue is flush with the scalp.  We can only advise you how to look after them, sleep with them and care for them and we cannot be responsible for what happens outside of our control. I understand you called technition the day after your procedure concerned that you had touched your grafts in your sleep and sent her a photo for clarification. Two of my technicians also mentioned to me that you expressed concern that you have a habit of touching your head at night-time, to which you were advised that we provide you with the necessary items to avoid this, but that it is up to you to be mindful of this."

 

that was their response. 

Wait, so they're claiming they just combined two or three single grafts to make a multi haired graft? I don't understand. Wouldn't it make sense to just extract a multihaired graft instead of trying to combine them

[Otar Norwood]

This is how AI will be used to give a more honest answer to the FUE vs FUT debate.

[Mark Wolfer]

@Zaro222 any new pics to show?

 

 

[DCunitee]

Which clinic did you go to? This helps knowing this info.