Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 9, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Okay, just wondering, do surgeons overestimate or underestimate the number of grafts that they will need based on pictures? Of my top two choices Doctor 1 has estimated 1,800 grafts and Doctor 2 has estimated 2,000 grafts. Are decent surgeons usually pretty accurate with their estimates based on pictures? Or do they sometimes undershoot, or overshoot, by a few hundred grafts? Edited November 9, 2020 by Rossybop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 9, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 9, 2020 I don’t see any pictures. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 9, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 9, 2020 That's a hairline model that does not include temple work. The clinic that offered me this hairline estimated 1,200 - 1,500 grafts. However, I want to do the temples which is obviously going to need a bit more. The reason I'm asking really is because I'm trying to ascertain if it might cost me more or less money than what has already been estimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted November 9, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 9, 2020 Ok so it does depend on the clinic, but anytime my graft count has gone over I have not been charged anything extra. You can always ask your chosen clinic before your surgery takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 9, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 9, 2020 Cool. It would be nice if they don't charge for extra grafts. My top two choices have estimated 1,800 and 2,000 grafts respectively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member DenverBuff1989 Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 hours ago, JohnAC71 said: Ok so it does depend on the clinic, but anytime my graft count has gone over I have not been charged anything extra. @JohnAC71 sounds like a great clinic, whats the name? for my 1st hair transplant, the doc even admitted afterwards I should have had 800 or so more grafts, and she knew that at during the surgery, but she didn't go one graft over what I had already paid. So infuriating. Doctors/Patients really should have some sort of protocol or agreement in place ex "i will pay for grafts that go over the count, etc. " @Rossybop Doctors are human, and a photo is so subjective, every doctor is going to give you a little bit of a graft count. Additionally, some doctors are more conservative in their surgeries, others more liberal, and graft approximations will reflect that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 10, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 hours ago, DenverBuff1989 said: @JohnAC71 sounds like a great clinic, whats the name? for my 1st hair transplant, the doc even admitted afterwards I should have had 800 or so more grafts, and she knew that at during the surgery, but she didn't go one graft over what I had already paid. So infuriating. Doctors/Patients really should have some sort of protocol or agreement in place ex "i will pay for grafts that go over the count, etc. " @Rossybop Doctors are human, and a photo is so subjective, every doctor is going to give you a little bit of a graft count. Additionally, some doctors are more conservative in their surgeries, others more liberal, and graft approximations will reflect that. Wow! You would think that maybe they would measure the bald spots and use the measurements to calculate precisely how many grafts they need. I see I see ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TorontoMan Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) I was quoted 2,500 grafts during consultation and was ready to pay for that amount and for more in the case there was more, although I was very certain I wouldn’t need more. on surgery day the doctor decided they would aim for 2,200 instead. They got around 2,200 but when doc finished the incisions, he wanted 200 more to fill in density, so they flipped me over and extracted another 200. Totalled 2,401 exactly, and they refunded me for 99 grafts as I paid for 2,500 before we started. had it gone over I had a visa ready to pay for what they’ve extracted extra. I think that’s the policy for many doctors in North America at least Edited November 10, 2020 by TorontoMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 10, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 Yeah, that seems like the most professional sensible policy; pay for what you get and get what you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 Hts in the Uk and they went over by 30-90 grafts approx. No charge. 3 Hts in Turkey and they went over “apperantly” but again no extra cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 10, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2020 My advice is set up consultations with some hairline specialists. I know you have a budget, but consult with Bisanga, Feriduni, Reddy, to name a few in Europe. That way you’ll know for sure how many grafts you need to get your desired look. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 10, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said: My advice is set up consultations with some hairline specialists. I know you have a budget, but consult with Bisanga, Feriduni, Reddy, to name a few in Europe. That way you’ll know for sure how many grafts you need to get your desired look. I met with one clinic in person. It was HRBR Dublin, I've been going there sporadically for years to track my hairloss. They designed a hairline but it doesn't include temporal work - which I thought was astounding. They don't do temporal work there because they say it looks unnatural as you age. For their non-temporal hairline they estimated 1,200 - 1,500 grafts via FUE. Based on pictures: Bisanga said 2,300 - 2,500 Feriduni said 2,200 - 2,800 Saifi said 1,800 Anastasakis said 2,000. I'm kind of just eager to know how accurate their estimates are in case I end up having to spend more (or less) than expected due to extra grafts being needed on the day of surgery. Like, if I expect to spend €5,000 for 2,000 grafts it would be a bit of a bummer if they told me "you actually owe us €7,500" because we put 3,000 grafts in," on the day of surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted November 10, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2020 Based on Bisanga and Feriduni I’d say you need 2,300. Consult with Reddy as well, he’s in the UK. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 Yup a average would be around 2500 grafts approx. Just ask the clinics what the policy is on accuracy of graft count and what would happen if it was over (or under) either is possible! Although top clinics rarely get it that wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 10, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 Ok cool guys. Cheers. I think all the places I've asked are top quality. I'll probably go with Anastasakis or Saifi. They've estimated 1,800 and 2,000 respectively. Maybe I'll just message them and ask them what if their estimates are wrong... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member T95good Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 How does the top of scalp and sides look? Are you just planning on having frontal 1/3 done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 Definitely get in all the questions you can before the day of the transplant! Make a list if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rossybop Posted November 10, 2020 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, T95good said: How does the top of scalp and sides look? Are you just planning on having frontal 1/3 done? There's the top and sides. I'm looking to have the hairline done, with most emphasis on the temporal points if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member T95good Posted November 10, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted November 10, 2020 Yeah with the coverage you have I think 18-2200 will get you a result you are very happy with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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