Official Thread: Have you experienced side effects from finasteride? (Poll)

[BaldReaper]

5 hours ago, NTCP8 said:

From all the people I know, all of them have sexual side effects. They didn't admit themselves, but their wives/girlfriends told me... 

It's also starting for me, getting a bit worse than the previous three years. Have to decide to continue or not. Had a transplant last year (disappointing results, more in another topic), so if I stop taking Propecia, results will even be worse... 

 

 

Why the results will be worse? You dont have much hairloss

[NTCP8]

2 hours ago, BaldV said:

Why the results will be worse? You dont have much hairloss

Getting older, my dad was more or less bald in his early 40s. I'm not in my 40s yet, but it's getting closer. 

Have to maintain my native hair... I'm on 0,5mg everyday. Will probably stop in the next coming weeks and only take 5mg oral minox. 

[NARMAK]

On 10/29/2021 at 2:40 AM, Gokuhairline said:

why anyone would take a risk even if its .0000001% that it would literally F your life up....is beyond me.....its your livelihood we are talking about here. 

Lol, i know this is an older comment but i can't believe you said that. Living at all and going about your normal routine has more risks. Walking down the pavement/sidewalk adjacent to a road could lead to an accident you die in as a pedestrian. I'm sure you still go out and about. Likely even using a vehicle of some kind to get about or hell, leave for holiday using a train, plane or car etc. 

This is the exact type of overblown comment that puts people off even trying to save their hair with medication and it's wrong. 

9 hours ago, NTCP8 said:

From all the people I know, all of them have sexual side effects. They didn't admit themselves, but their wives/girlfriends told me... 

It's also starting for me, getting a bit worse than the previous three years. Have to decide to continue or not. Had a transplant last year (disappointing results, more in another topic), so if I stop taking Propecia, results will even be worse... 

 

 

I'd seriously question why my girlfriend or wife is going up to other people to talk about our private business than discussing it with me and a medical professional trying to help us. 

So either you have very weird relationships with your friends or you made this comment up. 

[BaldReaper]

39 minutes ago, NTCP8 said:

Getting older, my dad was more or less bald in his early 40s. I'm not in my 40s yet, but it's getting closer. 

Have to maintain my native hair... I'm on 0,5mg everyday. Will probably stop in the next coming weeks and only take 5mg oral minox. 

I don't think you have such serious hairloss that you need to worry about ending up out of donor area

[NTCP8]

5 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

Lol, i know this is an older comment but i can't believe you said that. Living at all and going about your normal routine has more risks. Walking down the pavement/sidewalk adjacent to a road could lead to an accident you die in as a pedestrian. I'm sure you still go out and about. Likely even using a vehicle of some kind to get about or hell, leave for holiday using a train, plane or car etc. 

This is the exact type of overblown comment that puts people off even trying to save their hair with medication and it's wrong. 

I'd seriously question why my girlfriend or wife is going up to other people to talk about our private business than discussing it with me and a medical professional trying to help us. 

So either you have very weird relationships with your friends or you made this comment up. 

So defensive Narmak, having mood swings from Fin? Watch some more Hair Cafe videos, haha. 

[mafpe]

The poll results from this thread alone have almost a 50-50 for yes and no on the side effect. Normally pharma reduce the number to the lowest in order to have more people have confidence to take the meds. The fact that most ethic or brand bound clinic would tell you that you might experience side is a telling sign already, since most usually don't bother unless the chance is more than 5 10%. This is the case in my country at least.

Also note that men doesn't usually like to open up their weakness, and hving weak sexual capability could be seen as one. As for narmak's comments on the wives.... we are an international community, just because something is a certain way on someone's country, doesn't mean that it is so everywhere else. Also as far as i know it, india has a very strong patrialchal culture with men being very dominant. (Not as bad as some middle east, but still strong compared to the rest of the world).

[NARMAK]

1 hour ago, NTCP8 said:

So defensive Narmak, having mood swings from Fin? Watch some more Hair Cafe videos, haha. 

Lmao, calling me defensive and making a comment like that. Yeah, thanks for adding evidence to what i said in the first place.

[sukh123]

9 hours ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Most people who talk about sides from Fin focus on the sexual/cognitive stuff but there is a lot of research about the importance of DHT in a variety on functions. Just because you aren't experincing noticeable side effects doesn't necessarily mean you aren't doing damage. I only stopped posting links because I got tired of copying and pasting I could've gone on for another 10-20

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308241/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308241/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25268392/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24257908/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16317058/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308241/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079217/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308241/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7308241/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19040620/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6459338/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31074799/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12826696/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4629627/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23509861/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24764121/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5964967/

Wow im speechless lol , you copied a lot of dud studies to try scaremonger people . You should be warned for this type of behaviour in my opinion. And you copied the same studies multiple times . Clearly have an agenda 

[RTC]

Just now, sukh123 said:

Wow im speechless lol , you copied a lot of dud studies to try scaremonger people . You should be warned for this type of behaviour in my opinion. And you copied the same studies multiple times . Clearly have an agenda 

Why are the studies dud? 

I find it mad how people don't want to consider that altering your hormonal profile may have knock on effects in various systems of your body that may not be immediately apparent.

This whole '1-2% of people have side effects' mantra is clearly bogus. There are way more who have side effects. But they're immediately shouted down and called 'nocebo' etc. Just because big pharma say it's good for you, doesn't mean it is. You'd think the last two years taught us that.

[sukh123]

1 hour ago, NTCP8 said:

So defensive Narmak, having mood swings from Fin? Watch some more Hair Cafe videos, haha. 

Tbh why are they telling you lol that , maybe if one I would believe but multiple lol wives and girlfriend. What are you a sex guru lol

Edited August 7, 2022 by sukh123

[mr_peanutbutter]

11 hours ago, NTCP8 said:

From all the people I know, all of them have sexual side effects. They didn't admit themselves, but their wives/girlfriends told me... 

 

 

 

which relation do you have to those women? gay best friend? working husband? 

[mr_peanutbutter]

3 minutes ago, RTC said:

 

This whole '1-2% of people have side effects' mantra is clearly bogus. There are way more who have side effects. But they're immediately shouted down and called 'nocebo' etc. Just because big pharma say it's good for you, doesn't mean it is. You'd think the last two years taught us that.

let it be 10%, but for some people anything below 100% side effect occurency is big pharmacy conspiracy and thats some real bogus for me too. 

 

its kind of amazing how some people care about a drug so much they dont even take

Edited August 7, 2022 by mr_peanutbutter

[RTC]

I think that guy was trying to imply he was cheating with the GFS/wives of said men

[RTC]

Just now, mr_peanutbutter said:

let it be 10%, but for some people anything below 100% side effect occurency is big pharmacy conspiracy and thats some real bogus for me to.

Do you believe most people can change their hormonal profile and have no issues at all?

Many of the guys on fin who are happy and stable on it still report 'watery semen' and lower sex drive as if that's normal. 

[RTC]

3 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said:

 

 

its kind of amazing how some people care about a drug so much they dont even take

The same could be said for the reverse, why are people who get side effects shouted down and told they're not real and it's all psychosomatic?

Edited August 7, 2022 by RTC

[sukh123]

7 minutes ago, RTC said:

Do you believe most people can change their hormonal profile and have no issues at all?

Many of the guys on fin who are happy and stable on it still report 'watery semen' and lower sex drive as if that's normal. 

Fin reduces  dht , which leads to an increase in testosterone  and estradiol . Also has some effect on lh and FSh, but if you get blood work done before and like me get them every three months you can then be in the wind if in particular sexual side effects happen and then compare them to your baseline. My hormones have been relatively the same since starting beside Ofcourse reduced dht. If I didn’t listen to the scaremongering I wouldn’t even probably needed to consider a transplant .  I don’t want to take fin tbh but it’s the only proven thing to stop hair loss and given ,I have not had side effects I’ll continue and monitor 

Edited August 7, 2022 by sukh123

[mr_peanutbutter]

12 minutes ago, RTC said:

I think that guy was trying to imply he was cheating with the GFS/wives of said men

a casanova who specifically targets the women of men who take finasteride? how big is the sample size here

Edited August 7, 2022 by mr_peanutbutter

[mr_peanutbutter]

8 minutes ago, RTC said:

The same could be said for the reverse, why are people who get side effects shouted down and told they're not real and it's all psychosomatic?

i dont doubt that side effects can occur, but there is a difference between

-side effects can occur, probably even more then the 5% said in studies (lets assume 10% or 20%) and

-"side effects will occur 100%, finasteride will destroy your life !!11! here let me 1 post one study which recruited all its participant from propeciahelp.com ! !!1! every other study is fake!!

 

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by mr_peanutbutter

[sunsurfhair]

23 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Wow im speechless lol , you copied a lot of dud studies to try scaremonger people . You should be warned for this type of behaviour in my opinion. And you copied the same studies multiple times . Clearly have an agenda 

Please don’t knock him. He has no agenda. It’s no secret about the horrors of this medication for many people. Some get hit bad, some get hit moderately and some get no issue or don’t care about the side effects OR have no clue issues they are experiencing are coming from the medication fin or dut oral (or perhaps even topical). It’s been very clear for years now that the medication can cause major issues and even permanent issues. 
 

FYI - the label got changed AGAIN in June due to the suicide risk of the med. That’s no joke.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/fda-requires-disclosure-suicide-risk-anti-baldness-drug-2022-06-10/

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by sunsurfhair

[RTC]

8 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Fin reduces  dht , which leads to an increase in testosterone  and estradiol . Also has some effect on lh and FSh, but if you get blood work done before and like me get them every three months you can then be in the wind if in particular sexual side effects happen and then compare them to your baseline. My hormones have been relatively the same since starting beside Ofcourse reduced dht. If I didn’t listen to the scaremongering I wouldn’t even probably needed to consider a transplant .  I don’t want to take fin tbh but it’s the only proven thing to stop hair loss and given ,I have not had side effects I’ll continue and monitor 

and that is an excellent reasonable approach, and if i were to ever take oral fin I'd do the same. But sometimes you appear to not even entertain the idea that fin/dut might be absolutely ruinous to some people

[RTC]

5 minutes ago, mr_peanutbutter said:

-"side effects will occur 100%, finasteride will destroy your life !!11! here let me 1 post one study which recruited all its participant from propeciahelp.com ! !!1! every other study is fake!!

I have never said that 

[Z--]

19 minutes ago, RTC said:

Do you believe most people can change their hormonal profile and have no issues at all?

Many of the guys on fin who are happy and stable on it still report 'watery semen' and lower sex drive as if that's normal. 

This. The thing I find most unfortunate is that you can’t predict the impact from the onset either — many men report sides after months or years of use. 

Can you imagine being dependent on the drug only to have to drop it after a few years of use and lose the hair it held for you? Transplants have gotten to the point where if you play your cards right, I think drugs may not even be necessary (unless Norwood 7, or young and predilection to losing way more, but you can plan around the latter). 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Z--

[mr_peanutbutter]

3 minutes ago, RTC said:

I have never said that 

fair enough, but this basically the direction these discussion end up taking normally

[sunsurfhair]

10 minutes ago, sukh123 said:

Fin reduces  dht , which leads to an increase in testosterone  and estradiol . Also has some effect on lh and FSh, but if you get blood work done before and like me get them every three months you can then be in the wind if in particular sexual side effects happen and then compare them to your baseline. My hormones have been relatively the same since starting beside Ofcourse reduced dht. If I didn’t listen to the scaremongering I wouldn’t even probably needed to consider a transplant .  I don’t want to take fin tbh but the only proven thing to stop hair loss and given I have not had side effects I’ll continue and monitor 

It’s not just about the hormone levels. It has been shown in studies to alter the body at the androgen receptor level and induce epigenetic changes - which is insane a medicine for hair loss can do that. More importantly, it has a significant effect on neurosteroid production (allopregnenolone) a 5 alpha reductase converted neurosteroid which is a extremely critical neurosteroid for the brain and central nervous system. That’s what’s believed to induce so many of the cognitive, neuropsychiatric and neurological effects some men get hit with. 
 

I applaud you for keeping an eye on labs and more importantly how you feel, and I’m glad you’re doing ok with it, but there is a lot more going on behind the scenes besides just lowered serum DHT. 

[mr_peanutbutter]

2 minutes ago, Z-- said:

Transplants have gotten to the point where if you play your cards right, I think drugs may not even be necessary (unless Norwood 7, or young and predilection to losing way more, but you can plan around the latter). 

norwood 7? after norwood 4a it seems really difficult to get a good result, at least if you expect to have a hairline that doesnt start at the midscalp or to not have bald crown. admittedly there are  good norwood 5 results but there is really no garantuee for it (and you better work wiwth very good hair characteristisc and donor zone). good results of norwood 6/7 you can count with one hand it seems.

 

its distorted view of risks and probability when you expect

- to get severe side effects of finasteride (when statisticall speaking all studies say otherwise, even when 5% is probably too low...but the numbers you guys suggesting, like between 80% and 100%? how should that work, do you think they can manipulate studies that way? i have a hard time believing this

- assume that if you are norwood 5 and more you will have good/acceptable ht result. and that you dont have to take finasteride after. good example of this mattdominance and mr.rolandas who didnt take finasteride at first, ended up norwood 5 and now take finasteride anyways so the hair at the side and the crown doesnt dip like it did with mel gibson between 50 and 60 ... https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/64958-can-mel-gibsons-hair-be-safed/