Temporal point looks very unnatural after FUE - advice needed

[thelook]

 

What do you think, TheLook? Are these hairs in your temple darker and thicker than any native hairs on the back of your head? Or do you think they are the same as the hairs on the back of your head, but because they have been moved to the front, the contrast between the front native hairs and back native hairs makes them stand out?

 

 

Harryforreal, to tell the truth, the transplanted hair in my right temple looks very much like the ones on my back, being much stronger and darker than the sides.

I'm almost sure it has been taken from the back of my head.

 

To make things worse, many double and triple grafts have been planted into the temple increasing the unnatural look.

 

When it comes to your theory:

I believe that the hair structure (thickness, form and color) depends primarily on the hair's genetic information, not on the place it has been planted.

 

It's the same with beard hair, which looks different when transplanted in regular hair regions.

 

So yes, I do believe that it is possible to create good results in the temple area, IF the right donor material is selected.

This has obviously not been the case during my procedure.

 

You can see the different hair structure quite well in my attached picture.

[thelook]

It is my belief and gut feeling from looking at the result that the tech who transplanted the right temple peak was inexperienced at how to place grafts in this area. Hope BHR also corrects this.

 

Hello hsrp10,

 

to this day I wonder what went wrong that day. :confused:

 

I've attached two current pics of the spot, which hasn't been planted until day 2.

Edited December 13, 2016 by thelook

[hsrp10]

Hey man,

I hope you can get it worked out. Sorry to hear that there are other issues.

 

I have never been a fan of the techs doing the work as I have been spoiled and have undergone procedures by Dr. Konior where he does everything. He also performs the stick and place technique where he does every incision and graft placement one by one when implanting into existing hair. I think Dr. Keser in Turkey does the same or at least he does each step by himself.

Maybe these two could be in your shortlist if you look elsewhere to get repaired.

 

Really not sure what happened on your surgery day and as mentioned on page 1 I had really amazing temple corner work by Dr. Bisanga.

Did they work on another large case the same day as yours? If so maybe they need to limit the daily graft limit done to better focus on each patient's detailed needs.

[aWidowsPeek]

TheLook , the doctor should fix this for free or give you a refund. You pay thousands of dollars and wait a year and get this? Eff that.

[harryforreal]

When it comes to your theory:

I believe that the hair structure (thickness, form and color) depends primarily on the hair's genetic information, not on the place it has been planted.

 

Yeah, I think that's the predominant theory; however, I have plucked the hairs in the front out and plucked hairs randomly from the back, and repeatedly the transplanted hairs look much thicker and darker than native hairs from the back. Sometimes I wonder if the graft could have been damaged during the transplant process...but I'm not sure why that would make it thicker and darker.

 

Well, anyway, I agree that your side looks very odd. To me, though, the dominant issue isn't necessarily the direction - though I do get your concern as I have the same concerns, but rather the thickness and darkness. I mean, if the transplanted hairs were fine and lighter, the direction might not look so odd. However, when it looks like beard hair growing along your temple, then it looks quite strange I think. Certainly in my case I have found that to be the biggest issue. I have some finer lighter hairs, but honestly one doesn't notice them because the darker hairs make the lighter hairs "invisible" in that the eye doesn't see the lighter hair; rather, the eye notices a "gap" between the darker hairs, and so I find that the transplant actually exaggerates a thinning look, aside from the bizarre, pluggy look of doubles and triples in the front.

 

Well, Tuesday I have my first electrolysis appointment, so we'll see how that goes.

 

But good luck to you, "TheLook". I would really like to hear how Dr. Bisanga would address the difference in hair color and diameter, though I can probably already guess: "FUE some finer hairs." Which is what I was told when I went back to "soften" the hairline. But they don't really look any finer, and the newer ones still came in as doubles all across the front!

 

Dr Umar uses nape and leg hair to soften hair in the hairline. He brings it forward slightly too.

 

I have been told that nape hair is problematic - I don't know about leg hair. But I would like to see some examples.

[ndubya]

 

I had an fue with Dr Bisanga about 4 months after the look. It actually is looking better by the month but not what was implanted as far as density. I will definitely need a touch up, but the clinic has been willing to do this so, yes they do stand by you.

I will say this, Yes, I look better than I did before the procedure. Though kinda thin.

One question for you the look, did Dr Bisanga score ALL of your grafts or did a female Dr score some of them?

[aWidowsPeek]

So Bisanga does multiple patients a day? That's a warning sign to find another doctor.

[mikeyhwk]

So Bisanga does multiple patients a day? That's a warning sign to find another doctor.

 

nonsense. Dr Bisanga is one of the most respected docs in the industry and his overall body of work is excellent. Even here with the temporal point problem the patient is happy enough with his hairline work to go back to him, that says something. If most people made a top 5 fue docs list you'd probably find names like Bisanga, Feriduni, Erdogan, and all of them will do 2 procedures a day max under the right conditions. Diep im told does 2 procedures a day, one being fut and the other fue but it's still 2 per day. That could be the top 4 of most peoples top 5 fue surgeons lists seeing more than 1 patient a day.

[wibbles180]

It's threads like this that' really concern me about moving forward with a procedure ! Really hoping things work out for you and thank you for posting your experience so far ... you'd think by using dr bisanga it would eliminate what looks like very poor work indeed

[DavidAnderson]

I think the OP is right to go back to Dr Bisanga to give him the opportunity to address his issues. From what I have seen over the years in person and on the forums Dr Bisanga does excellent work and has great ethics too.

[mosd]

how many grafts went into the temples?

[thelook]

Hey man,

I hope you can get it worked out. Sorry to hear that there are other issues.

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Did they work on another large case the same day as yours? If so maybe they need to limit the daily graft limit done to better focus on each patient's detailed needs.

 

Thanks a lot, hsrp10!

 

On the day of my procedure there was in fact another patient being worked on.

Edited December 13, 2016 by thelook

[thelook]

I had an fue with Dr Bisanga about 4 months after the look. It actually is looking better by the month but not what was implanted as far as density. I will definitely need a touch up, but the clinic has been willing to do this so, yes they do stand by you.

I will say this, Yes, I look better than I did before the procedure. Though kinda thin.

One question for you the look, did Dr Bisanga score ALL of your grafts or did a female Dr score some of them?

 

ndubya, so you are approx. one year after your procedure?

 

Sorry to hear, the result is not what you have expected!

Is the low density limited to a certain area (like in my case) or does it concern all transplanted hair?

 

Did you post any pictures of your result? Would be interesting to see the comparison to my case.

 

I'll be at the BHR clinic for a repair session soon. I'll let you know how it went!

 

And to your question: As far as I remember Dr. Bisanga extracted all the grafts. The planting has been done by his techs.

Edited December 13, 2016 by thelook

[thelook]

how many grafts went into the temples?

 

Left temple received approx. 50 - 100 grafts.

 

Right temple between 200 - 300 grafts, I believe.

Unfortunately, many multiple grafts have been planted here (double and even triple grafts).

Edited December 13, 2016 by thelook

[ndubya]

ndubya, so you are approx. one year after your procedure?

 

Sorry to hear, the result is not what you have expected!

Is the low density limited to a certain area (like in my case) or does it concern all transplanted hair?

 

Did you post any pictures of your result? Would be interesting to see the comparison to my case.

 

I'll be at the BHR clinic for a repair session soon. I'll let you know how it went!

 

And to your question: As far as I remember Dr. Bisanga extracted all the grafts. The planting has been done exclusively by his techs.

 

Yes sir, a year and 2 weeks.

I think I had some shockloss and maybe some further loss behind the transplant.

Good for you sticking with Dr B and good luck with the next session.

I haven't posted my results from the beginning because I didn't want to jinx myself.

I know, stupid, but just the way I thought about it at the time.

I will post up before my touch up, thanks

[johnsmith20172017]

Yeah, I think that's the predominant theory; however, I have plucked the hairs in the front out and plucked hairs randomly from the back, and repeatedly the transplanted hairs look much thicker and darker than native hairs from the back. Sometimes I wonder if the graft could have been damaged during the transplant process...but I'm not sure why that would make it thicker and darker.

 

Well, anyway, I agree that your side looks very odd. To me, though, the dominant issue isn't necessarily the direction - though I do get your concern as I have the same concerns, but rather the thickness and darkness. I mean, if the transplanted hairs were fine and lighter, the direction might not look so odd. However, when it looks like beard hair growing along your temple, then it looks quite strange I think. Certainly in my case I have found that to be the biggest issue. I have some finer lighter hairs, but honestly one doesn't notice them because the darker hairs make the lighter hairs "invisible" in that the eye doesn't see the lighter hair; rather, the eye notices a "gap" between the darker hairs, and so I find that the transplant actually exaggerates a thinning look, aside from the bizarre, pluggy look of doubles and triples in the front.

 

Well, Tuesday I have my first electrolysis appointment, so we'll see how that goes.

 

But good luck to you, "TheLook". I would really like to hear how Dr. Bisanga would address the difference in hair color and diameter, though I can probably already guess: "FUE some finer hairs." Which is what I was told when I went back to "soften" the hairline. But they don't really look any finer, and the newer ones still came in as doubles all across the front!

 

 

 

I have been told that nape hair is problematic - I don't know about leg hair. But I would like to see some examples.

 

 

[Sparky]

Yeah, I think that's the predominant theory; however, I have plucked the hairs in the front out and plucked hairs randomly from the back, and repeatedly the transplanted hairs look much thicker and darker than native hairs from the back. Sometimes I wonder if the graft could have been damaged during the transplant process...but I'm not sure why that would make it thicker and darker.

 

Well, anyway, I agree that your side looks very odd. To me, though, the dominant issue isn't necessarily the direction - though I do get your concern as I have the same concerns, but rather the thickness and darkness. I mean, if the transplanted hairs were fine and lighter, the direction might not look so odd. However, when it looks like beard hair growing along your temple, then it looks quite strange I think. Certainly in my case I have found that to be the biggest issue. I have some finer lighter hairs, but honestly one doesn't notice them because the darker hairs make the lighter hairs "invisible" in that the eye doesn't see the lighter hair; rather, the eye notices a "gap" between the darker hairs, and so I find that the transplant actually exaggerates a thinning look, aside from the bizarre, pluggy look of doubles and triples in the front.

 

Well, Tuesday I have my first electrolysis appointment, so we'll see how that goes.

 

But good luck to you, "TheLook". I would really like to hear how Dr. Bisanga would address the difference in hair color and diameter, though I can probably already guess: "FUE some finer hairs." Which is what I was told when I went back to "soften" the hairline. But they don't really look any finer, and the newer ones still came in as doubles all across the front!

 

 

 

I have been told that nape hair is problematic - I don't know about leg hair. But I would like to see some examples.

 

 

Can you let us know how the electrolysis goes, as I have some 2 and 3 hair grafts placed high up in my temple points that could do with zapping! I also can't cut my temple points below 30mm or they stand out from the hair behind them, longer than this they blend in though.

 

Thanks.

[harryforreal]

Well it's very hard to tell from that video - looks like an older low definition video. But in general I'm just a bit over this whole transplant process, nape hair, leg hair, whatever. I don't think I would do the leg hair, personally, at least not at this point. Two procedures is enough, and the fact that the hairs don't look right - well, that's what it really comes down to. I mean, if it looked soft and natural, that would be one thing, I'm sure I would do it again, but I can't really justify spending the time, effort, suffering (being locked away while waiting to recover), the redness, the laser treatments to get rid of the redness, the micro needling to smooth the skin, I mean, really....

 

I just wanted to thicken up the front of my hairline a bit; it was the doctor who suggested lowering the hairline with about 1000 grafts. If I were to do it again, first and foremost I would StAY on propecia (a young, arrogant female doctor in NYC took me off of it when I moved there); then before I tried surgery I would try propecia and rogaine - even if it's not meant for the hairline - before I would EVER consider surgery. FUE seemed like such a simple, easy procedure though with no worries of lifelong medications during my consultation. Hahahahah......

 

I am lucky in that I have enough naturally thick hair that I can more or less hide the weird hairs on a day to day basis. But pull the hair back and get close, that is a different story. Also I have been using Rogaine on the hairline for the last 5 months, and I THINK it's promoted some softer, finer hairs, but maybe they were already there. Not sure. But still, now I would try it before surgery.

 

In any event, I will let you know about the electrolysis - the lady called and requested that we reschedule because she was sick, so probably in the next couple of weeks, though I don't want to have some strange red marks on New Years Eve, so may have to wait until afterwards!

[Sparky]

A Dr took your Propecia??

[harryforreal]

Yes, f*%k"i,g *#$%.

 

I was 35-36, and she said she thought I was just imagining a receding hairline. Her specific words were, "Well I'm not going to renew your prescription just because you have a psychological problem".

 

Hahahaahahhaah.....B&*#*R

 

I've often thought back to that, and aside from her demeaning attitude, have often thought, "If you thought I had a psychological problem, why didn't you refer me to a mental health specialist?!?"

 

The S(*# i've been through with this hair transplant!

 

Mind you, I'm not saying I'm mentally competent...just that she should have provided appropriate medical treatment! ^^

[mike7777]

This item passed me entirely.Very useful as the photos can clearly illustrate what good work and bad work looks like and on the same head yet!

 

Seems to me that A/ One tech should do both sides for symmetry and B/ I believe the perfect temple point was done by the Tech who carefully chose the grafts and the poor side was done by someone who either didn't know what they were doing or simply used what was left over.

 

Poor spin as the official response worrying of itself.

[Vainism]

discounterd rate of 1 euro? Any intermediate dr will tell you that the right temporal looks ridiculous. If a Drs reputation is on the line they should be offering the fix up procedure for FREE. Flights and accomodation payed for to redeem themselves.

[BlessUp]

Yea I agree it should be fixed for free wtf it incentives them to mess up to get you back in the Door