Propecia Kills Another Innocent Man in the UK

[Mark2010]

RIP Nick Barringston.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjJhXGcy-A8

[Dr. Scott Alexander MD]

I watched the video and sad to hear any person has taken their own life. It mentions he took finasteride 12 years ago for a brief time but he only recently committed suicide. How are they convinced it has anything to do with finasterdie he once took and not other current problems the patient might have actually had?

Dr Scott Alexander

[Mark2010]

I watched the video and sad to hear any person has taken their own life. It mentions he took finasteride 12 years ago for a brief time but he only recently committed suicide. How are they convinced it has anything to do with finasterdie he once took and not other current problems the patient might have actually had?

Dr Scott Alexander

 

I knew this guy it was finasterdie that messed him up.

 

He had severe insomnia and other problems which were caused by finasterdie.

 

There was also another guy in the UK by the name of Paul Dixon who took is life last year because he could not live with the side effects finasterdie had left him with.

 

Propecia Suicides - Randy Santmann - Patrick Ortiz - John Pfaff - Daniel Stewart - Stephen Kenney - Merck Propecia Suicides - Mens Hair Loss Drug Finasteride

[Spanker]

If I was Merk I would sue the living crap of this website for these baseless claims. While suicide is serious, this post is a joke.

 

People kill themselves all of the time. 22 US veterans per day. How many of them were on fin? There is no proof that there is any correlation to fin use and suicide. What is the difference in suicide stats for young hair loss suffers vs non- hair loss sufferers? How many of these fin users were on other meds? Other drugs? Had traumatic childhoods? Had suicide in their family? Had a co-worker commit suicide? etc. The VAST amount of known correlations to suicide would have to be ruled out from these gentlemen to even begin to look at Fin as a connecting factor.

 

 

The fact that your post makes it like a factual claim that there is a link is disgusting. I am not against conversation, but this is not a conversation, this is just a claim that is based on pretty much nothing that is going to scare some poor soul looking to something about his hair loss.

[Mark2010]

If I was Merk I would sue the living crap of this website for these baseless claims. While suicide is serious, this post is a joke.

 

People kill themselves all of the time. 22 US veterans per day. How many of them were on fin? There is no proof that there is any correlation to fin use and suicide. What is the difference in suicide stats for young hair loss suffers vs non- hair loss sufferers? How many of these fin users were on other meds? Other drugs? Had traumatic childhoods? Had suicide in their family? Had a co-worker commit suicide? etc. The VAST amount of known correlations to suicide would have to be ruled out from these gentlemen to even begin to look at Fin as a connecting factor.

 

 

The fact that your post makes it like a factual claim that there is a link is disgusting. I am not against conversation, but this is not a conversation, this is just a claim that is based on pretty much nothing that is going to scare some poor soul looking to something about his hair loss.

 

They can't sue because its the truth.

 

Paul Dixon and others admitted they killed them themselves as direct result of having used finasteride.

 

You can see from Pauls Twitter posts how the drug had affected him

 

https://twitter.com/cheesey45/with_replies

 

add another victim to the list. I can't take another day of it 9 weeks off propecia and I'm getting worse.

To date there has been at least 60 known "Propecia Suicides".

 

Finasteride-Induced Suicidal and Self-Injurious Behavior Rises 33% in WHO Database of Adverse Drug Reactions - The Post-Finasteride Syndrome FoundationThe Post-Finasteride Syndrome Foundation

 

 

"Suicidal ideation" is a recognised side effect of finasteride in New Zealand.

Post-Finasteride Syndrome

[Shampoo]

I have used propecia for years without hardly any side effects. I believe it to be highly effective at slowing down the balding process. I would think almost any widely used prescription drug has some lawsuits pending, class actions suits, and accusations of causing accidental death and/or suicide. Listen to drug commercials on TV and all you hear is "in some patients this drug may cause breathing difficulty, internal bleeding, heart failure, bone fracture, suicidal thoughts, bowel disruption......yadda yadda yadda".

[chrisdav]

Have to agree with Spanker on this one.

[Scotsman]

Go on and take propecia if you like. Hell, mash it up and rub it all over. I know my post won't make a blind bit of difference but all the guys who are anti-propecia are guys who have been bitten by it, including myself. I can think of a lot better things to do than post on this site, but if you wish to delude yourselves into thinking that big pharma is good and conducted legitimate trials which properly assessed for side effects then so be it, and that after thousands of years of evolution the 5ar enzyme can somehow be inhibited without consequence. Many don't experience side effects until cessation, so proclamations about it working and not doing any harm are meaningless. And to dismiss a man's suicide due to propecia is irresponsible without knowing the facts. Learn about how guys suffer first and read some first hand testimonies of those who have taken their lives. Or speak to their loved ones. Or listen to the many testimonies on blogtalk radio. But no, we must be talking shit, or are hypochondriacs, or whatever, because you're so invested in your fucking hair its pathetic.

[Rashid36]

Whatever people say you have to have evidence that the drug was the direct result such as a coroner or Post-mortem report

[Shampoo]

we must be talking shit, or are hypochondriacs, or whatever,

 

as stated earlier....almost all drugs have a segment of patients

that the drug either doesn't work for or causes side effects

 

and some of the people the drug doesn't work for think

because it doesn't work for them it can't be true that it

works perfectly well for others.

 

many if not all of the most respected hair transplant surgeons

in the world advise most of their patients to take finasteride to avoid

or greatly slow further balding.

[Scotsman]

as stated earlier....almost all drugs have a segment of patients

that the drug either doesn't work for or causes side effects

 

and some of the people the drug doesn't work for think

because it doesn't work for them it can't be true that it

works perfectly well for others.

 

many if not all of the most respected hair transplant surgeons

in the world advise most of their patients to take finasteride to avoid

or greatly slow further balding.

 

Accepted, but we are not talking a level playing field here. Not all side effects, like penile shrinkage, are on the patient information sheet, Merck has been shown in the past to manipulate the truth, and of course it works for hair loss - it worked for me. It may work perfectly well for many whilst on it, without any obvious side effects, but to be in a position whereby a drug for hairloss is approved when there is the risk, no matter the percentage, of life altering side effects, including permanent sexual dysfunction, brain fog, subcutaneous fat loss (the potential side effects are quite extensive, despite the carefully managed list you are provided with) is shocking. If people like yourselves and hair loss physicians were honest about what can occur when you start inhibiting a vital enzyme and disrupting your endocrine system to save a few hairs then I would say fair game, you know the risk, but you don't. We are telling you from our own experiences, and despite the anecdotal nature we know first hand sadly that pharma lies, and because you haven't suffered yourself you believe them. You are invested in dismissing guys like myself because you have invested in your hair, but try to have an open mind. Even if you take the tack that all drugs have risks, is it really worth it for hair. Don't be a patsy for big business. I'm pleased that it is working for you, but there is a responsibility to those who are still considering propecia as an option that they are fully aware of the risks and that they could genuinely suffer and regret the day that they were convinced by a hair restoration surgeon, or some dude on a forum that it is safe. It is not.

 

And re: the hair loss surgeons, don't believe for a second that they are neutral on this - ker-ching!

[Shampoo]

Scotsman I think we can "agree to disagree"...and I respect some of what you say with maybe a slight uneasiness about you implying that I am possibly being dishonest.

 

Look...it is pretty simple...the FDA approves and many of the top surgeons in the world advise to take it....and most of all....it seems to work great for me.

 

I think it is a reach to imply the highly respected hair transplant surgeons on this site are corrupt and are knowingly advising their patients to take dangerous drugs just to make a buck. Plus I would think most patients like myself take the surgeon's advice then get the prescription from their family doctor....so how are the transplant doctors making toms of bucks from it? Come on man...they make a good living doing surgery, not advising patients to take drugs they secretly think are dangerous.

[Scotsman]

Thanks for your moderate response to my impassioned posts. I appreciate that we all come from our own perspective and mine is as someone who has experienced side effects from this drug. Without presenting a paranoiac vision of Western capitalism, I know of hair loss surgeons who have been had direct negative feedback from patients who have suffered and yet continue to spin a line, probably because the FDA and the official literature backs them up, and that they can brush off sufferers as not being statistically significant, or look for other factors, much like those that are too keen to dismiss any signs of causality linking propecia to suicide (speak to the founder of the post finasteride syndrome foundation on that one who lost his son to suicide, or read his son's tragic posts on propeciahelp). Propecia IS dangerous, but unlike the car that patently killed that young actor this week, proving causality is not so direct, therefore it is much more easy to brush off. I'm not saying that there is an odds on chance that your life will be irrevocably changed by this drug, but a hair loss drug that is on the market that CAN (no matter how low the odds), lead to sides like penile shrinkage, depression, anxiety etc. etc. would by my definition be called dangerous.

 

Look up Merck and Vioxx, then decide whether you'd trust them with your health.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Scotsman
Expansion of argument

[Mark2010]

The only Doctors who claim Finasteride is "safe" are part of the Hair Loss industry they are not impartial.

 

However here we have one honest Hair Loss Doctor who admits that Finasteride can cause "permanent side effects" in "rare cases".

 

Skip to 8:15

 

 

Anybody who takes Finasteride risks been one of those "rare cases" were their life is destroyed by the drug.

 

If I had known what happened to me was even possible I never for one minute would of considered taking Finasteride. Nobody told me that the drug could cause "permanent side effects".

[Shampoo]

Fair enough Scotsman. I agree there is corruption in the drug maker industry, but the drug making industry also has and does save millions of lives every year. But I bet you and I can agree drugs are way over-prescribed and we would all be better off avoiding a lot of drugs by eating healthier diets and more exercise. I also think there is some possible corruption between drug makers and government on keeping things like cannabis oil for medical treatment away from consumers for so long. It appears cannabis oil as a medical treatment shows some real promise.

[ontop]

So cant see many websites trying to scare monger birth control medications.

strange that anit it?

These people who ended there life is very sad but until I see a death certificate saying something different then I shall carry on taking the drug unless I get sides then obvious I would drop it.

[Scotsman]

So cant see many websites trying to scare monger birth control medications.

strange that anit it?

These people who ended there life is very sad but until I see a death certificate saying something different then I shall carry on taking the drug unless I get sides then obvious I would drop it.

 

I don't quite understand your argument, although watch this space re: inquiries into suicides. It's up to you whether you take it or not. It's absolutely not scaremongering. It's guys who have been harmed making sure that other guys are fully informed, no matter how low the risk. There is still a risk however and we are informing you of such. As to the rest, it's entirely up to you. I'm a great believer in informed consent. Sadly at the moment a lot of guys who decide to take this drug aren't being given the whole picture and are told by their physicians in some cases that side effects will stop on cessation. This has been shown not to be true, to the point where even the labelling has been changed. Labelling evolves as more and more adverse events are reported. We are just giving any guys considering the drug a better picture than we were given ourselves as I'd imagine that most who have experienced what propecia can do wish dearly that they had been fully informed themselves. And another thing, as I've stated earlier in the thread, like other medications like SSRIs, it's only on coming off the drug sometimes that certain side effects occur. When I stopped I lost subcutaneous fat to my face and my penis became thinner, so even if you think you are out of the woods, this drug that you are taking still has the potential to fuck you up. Good luck.

[un13]

I don't quite understand your argument, although watch this space re: inquiries into suicides. It's up to you whether you take it or not. It's absolutely not scaremongering. It's guys who have been harmed making sure that other guys are fully informed, no matter how low the risk. There is still a risk however and we are informing you of such. As to the rest, it's entirely up to you. I'm a great believer in informed consent. Sadly at the moment a lot of guys who decide to take this drug aren't being given the whole picture and are told by their physicians in some cases that side effects will stop on cessation. This has been shown not to be true, to the point where even the labelling has been changed. Labelling evolves as more and more adverse events are reported. We are just giving any guys considering the drug a better picture than we were given ourselves as I'd imagine that most who have experienced what propecia can do wish dearly that they had been fully informed themselves. And another thing, as I've stated earlier in the thread, like other medications like SSRIs, it's only on coming off the drug sometimes that certain side effects occur. When I stopped I lost subcutaneous fat to my face and my penis became thinner, so even if you think you are out of the woods, this drug that you are taking still has the potential to fuck you up. Good luck.

almost every drug has a potential to fuck you up , either way . Aspirine kills people!

[DrKash]

Finasteride is used much much more frequently for benign prostate enlargement than it is for hair loss, and it's used at 5x the dose at 5mg daily. I'm not aware of an increased suicideal risk in these patients, nor is it even listed as a possible side effect in the UKs drug authority, the BNF. Therefore I cannot believe this claim.

[Scotsman]

A copy and paste from just one page of a petition. The man whose suicide the original poster reported added his own name to this petition as you can see. His name was Nick Barrington. Read the other comments on this one page:

 

Merck: Fund studies into the Post Finasteride Syndrome

Petition by Julian Parks

 

To be delivered to Ken Frazier, CEO of Merck

 

The Post Finasteride Syndrome is a serious, life-altering condition that occurs in some men after quitting the hairloss, prostate drug Finasteride (Propecia, Proscar). Bringham and Woman's Hospital and Baylor College of Medicine have launched research studies to help find treatments. Merck has an obligation to help.

There are currently 866 signatures. NEW goal - We need 1,000 signatures!

PETITION BACKGROUND Many men have committed suicide due to the severe symptoms of Post-Finasteride Syndrome. Countless others have lost their romantic partners and careers. Thousands of men who take Finasteride are at risk of developing this life-altering condition. The maker of Propecia, Merck, has an ethical responsibility to fund research into the Post Finasteride Syndrome.

CURRENT PETITION SIGNERS

586. Jeremy Rickens from Sanford, CA signed this petition on May 3, 2014.

585. Dave H from HTFD, CT signed this petition on May 3, 2014.

584. Robert House from Clovis, CA signed this petition on May 3, 2014.

My as a Clinical Nurse Specialist, My 16 year relationship, all my belongings and my SF home were lost. Hospitalized 5 times for suicide indeations and near attempt. Now, I'm an anxious, unhappy,sexless, in poverty,and alone: a tattered shell of my former self.

 

583. dana welter from York, PA signed this petition on May 3, 2014.

582. Linda Baker from Austin, TX signed this petition on May 2, 2014.

581. Emma from United Kingdom signed this petition on May 2, 2014.

My uncle took this and ended up killing himself! There is not enough warning to users and it's to easy to buy online without making sure men are aware of the dangers.

 

580. Don C. from South Africa signed this petition on May 2, 2014.

579. Hayley from United Kingdom signed this petition on May 2, 2014.

578. Nick Barrington from Glastonbury, United Kingdom signed this petition on May 2, 2014.

Life destroyed by this drug.

 

His comment, not mine.

[Rashid36]

Finasteride affect on mood - by lowering & altering dht hormone are we affecting the way we feel & behave -

as it's one of the feel good etc hormones - hence the possible link to suicide?

[ontop]

Millions of men take this drug without any side effects, so this petition is under a 1000 to date right?

So people who have committed suicide they or loved ones claim its solely on the drug itself right?

How do you know there is not a underlining problem with such people such as depression or anxiety involved prior?

Do you know these people who unfortunately took there own lives because of this drug?

 

I do think there is definitely sides with this drug but to go as far to say they took there own lives over this, I dont believe, there's got to more to there .medical history that we dont know about.

[Mark2010]

Millions of men take this drug without any side effects, so this petition is under a 1000 to date right?

So people who have committed suicide they or loved ones claim its solely on the drug itself right?

How do you know there is not a underlining problem with such people such as depression or anxiety involved prior?

Do you know these people who unfortunately took there own lives because of this drug?

 

I do think there is definitely sides with this drug but to go as far to say they took there own lives over this, I dont believe, there's got to more to there .medical history that we dont know about.

 

Only a small percentage of people will complain about anything.

 

For every one person who reports their sides there will be atleast 10 people who don't.

 

PropeciaHelp.com has almost 4000 members that is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

I can tell you from my own experience that finasteride drove me to the brink of suicide in 2012 this is something that I would of never have thought of let alone tried to act on before I took the drug.

 

It totally messed up my mental, physical and sexual health.

 

When I got off the drug my depression and anxiety slowly went away.

 

The depression I had while on finasteride was the worst depession I ever had in my life.

[TommyLucchese]

Been on Propecia since March 2010 ... I have a good head of hair and am no closer to killing myself than I was in 2001.

[Mark2010]

Been on Propecia since March 2010 ... I have a good head of hair and am no closer to killing myself than I was in 2001.

 

 

You may be fine now but what happens if you come off the drug for a few weeks ?