Permanent SMP, who has it? Where's the best place?

[densedream]

Well, after 4 HT I still have some thinness that bothers me and I cover it up with caboki on most days. I am getting very tired of using this stuff. It works well enough but it comes off when my GF touches my head or I lay on a pillow. That's embarrassing.

 

I've decided to check out SMP to possibly fill some of the gaps in my crown where the HT did not fill. Are there any results of people that have hair but want to make the illusion of more hair? I only see people that want to get the shadow shaved looked. Unfortunately, that will never be possible for me because I've had a FUT. I do hope that if I shave down to a 4-5 blade that SMP will still look good.

 

Anyways, I would prefer permanent SMP. Is there a clinic that is recommended here for this. I saw that Dr. Pak and Dr. Rassam in Cali do this permanent SMP. Has anyone used them for what I'm looking for? The only problem is they seem so expensive. I might just get another FUE. Dr. Yaman in turkey would be cheaper than SMP... so I'm torn.

 

Thanks for your advice!

[NEfighter85]

hey Dense

 

just completed mine at Scalp Micro USA with Matt Iulo. I did a lot of research over a year and loved his results the best. I am about to write a quick review on a new thread with some pictures so just check it out. I paid about $2600 for everything.

[delgreco]

I am in the same boat as you dense. Many years of transplants, and concealer has worn on me. I am looking at SMP as a solution. I actually went to Dr Rassmans office today, he was really really nice, and told me that I was a good candidate, he let me peak at a guy who was having a SMP done (he was shaved head tho)

NHI (Pak/Rassman) only do permanent. I did ask him about his post about the silicon, he admitted that the likelihood of problems are minimal but he said why risk it.

 

NE fighter. Do you have pics from your experience?

[jimboorads]

I'm also interested in this.Looking into getting 'permanent' SMP and keeping my hair long to help give the illusion of density.

 

 

Where is the best place in Ireland/England to get this done?

[NicH0le007]

I'm also interested in this.Looking into getting 'permanent' SMP and keeping my hair long to help give the illusion of density.

 

 

Where is the best place in Ireland/England to get this done?

 

Check out Brandwood Clinic in the UK. That's my top choice for referral.

[delgreco]

Nicole. I sent you a private message. I am not sure that you received. Could I email you with some questions?

Thanks.

Al

[MikeyS]

I'm also interested in this.Looking into getting 'permanent' SMP and keeping my hair long to help give the illusion of density.

 

 

Where is the best place in Ireland/England to get this done?

 

I would definitely recommend Skalp, for me they have the most natural results

[BaldKen2]

The best place to have permanent SMP- simply put, the best place is any experienced permanent makeup practitioner who is willing to do this treatment.

 

Some permanent makeup practitioners and technicians do not want to mess with dotting scalps b/c it can be time consuming and quite tedious and boring.

 

And also the fact is that many experienced Micropigmentation practitioners view SMP as "beneath them" or just kind of amateurish b/c it is extremely easy to do, and requires little to no artistry or skill, but many will take on the job if they have time b/c it is usually worth 1-2 g's for them. Some charge less.

 

Providers who offer SMP exclusively will try to lead you to believe that implanting tiny dots of ink is "extremely complicated" or requires "extensive training" or "special pigments and equipment" that only they possess LOL:D

 

One of my favorite lines is "the scalp is a whole other animal" LOL So false!

 

But at the end of the day these same SMP providers either just recently learned how to do SMP by taking a 3 day course, or are actually Permanent makeup technicians themselves who still practice permanent makeup on a regular basis and use the same pigments, needles, machines and same equipment for both their Permanent makeup treatments and their SMP treatments.

 

Sift through the Bogus testimonials, pseudoscience, and marketing, and just get the facts. And if the provider is selling you something that smells a whole lot like B.S., it probably is

[hairthere]

"And also the fact is that many experienced Micropigmentation practitioners view SMP as "beneath them" or just kind of amateurish b/c it is extremely easy to do, and requires little to no artistry or skill, but many will take on the job if they have time b/c it is usually worth 1-2 g's for them. Some charge less."

 

Can you please explain then why there are absolutely horrendous examples of SMP out there? Surely if it takes no artistry or skill, the equipment doesn't matter, and anyone can do it, the multitude of hideous work shouldn't exist....and yet it's out there... in droves....

 

"One of my favorite lines is "the scalp is a whole other animal" LOL So false!"

 

We have different needles designed for the face and for the scalp, because the face and the scalp are quite different. Different machine settings/speeds and different techniques, too.

 

"But at the end of the day these same SMP providers either just recently learned how to do SMP by taking a 3 day course, "

 

I went to Milan for a week for my first training. Then I returned a year later to study for another week. It took about a year of practice to build up the stamina and dexterity to get through a whole head efficiently. I had moments where I wasn't sure I could finish. You also have to have some balls to poke someone's scalp with a needle thousands of times. Especially when that person is flinching with each poke. You also have to know a thing or two about hairline design.

 

"Sift through the Bogus testimonials, pseudoscience, and marketing, and just get the facts. And if the provider is selling you something that smells a whole lot like B.S., it probably is..."

 

This I'll agree with.

Edited June 17, 2016 by hairthere

[NEWHAIRPLEASE]

"And also the fact is that many experienced Micropigmentation practitioners view SMP as "beneath them" or just kind of amateurish b/c it is extremely easy to do, and requires little to no artistry or skill, but many will take on the job if they have time b/c it is usually worth 1-2 g's for them. Some charge less."

 

Can you please explain then why there are absolutely horrendous examples of SMP out there? Surely if it takes no artistry or skill, the equipment doesn't matter, and anyone can do it, the multitude of hideous work shouldn't exist....and yet it's out there... in droves....

 

"One of my favorite lines is "the scalp is a whole other animal" LOL So false!"

 

We have different needles designed for the face and for the scalp, because the face and the scalp are quite different. Different machine settings. Different pigments. Different techniques.

 

"But at the end of the day these same SMP providers either just recently learned how to do SMP by taking a 3 day course, "

 

I went to Milan for a week for my first training. Then I returned a year later to study for another week. It took about a year of practice to build up the stamina and dexterity to get through a whole head efficiently. I had moments where I wasn't sure I could finish. You also have to have some balls to poke someone's scalp with a needle thousands of times. Especially when that person is flinching with each poke. You also have to know a thing or two about hairline design.

 

"Sift through the Bogus testimonials, pseudoscience, and marketing, and just get the facts. And if the provider is selling you something that smells a whole lot like B.S., it probably is..."

 

This I'll agree with.

 

Whats up hairthere!!!! Long time no talk, man I need to get up there and check your place out! I love my head of hair but would also love to be able to shave down for a few weeks just to change the look ( in the scar area )….

Send me a PM with your # if you don't mind…thanks bud!

[BaldKen2]

"And also the fact is that many experienced Micropigmentation practitioners view SMP as "beneath them" or just kind of amateurish b/c it is extremely easy to do, and requires little to no artistry or skill, but many will take on the job if they have time b/c it is usually worth 1-2 g's for them. Some charge less."

 

Can you please explain then why there are absolutely horrendous examples of SMP out there? Surely if it takes no artistry or skill, the equipment doesn't matter, and anyone can do it, the multitude of hideous work shouldn't exist....and yet it's out there... in droves....

 

"One of my favorite lines is "the scalp is a whole other animal" LOL So false!"

 

We have different needles designed for the face and for the scalp, because the face and the scalp are quite different. Different machine settings/speeds and different techniques, too.

 

"But at the end of the day these same SMP providers either just recently learned how to do SMP by taking a 3 day course, "

 

I went to Milan for a week for my first training. Then I returned a year later to study for another week. It took about a year of practice to build up the stamina and dexterity to get through a whole head efficiently. I had moments where I wasn't sure I could finish. You also have to have some balls to poke someone's scalp with a needle thousands of times. Especially when that person is flinching with each poke. You also have to know a thing or two about hairline design.

 

"Sift through the Bogus testimonials, pseudoscience, and marketing, and just get the facts. And if the provider is selling you something that smells a whole lot like B.S., it probably is..."

 

This I'll agree with.

 

Wow, easy there slick! I was speaking of permanent smp. Maybe you should revisit the first line of my post, or the thread title for that matter, and it was my understanding that you perform Temporary SMP which as you claim, is completely different from permanent.

 

So...not sure why you felt the need to defend yourself when you weren't being attacked, especially when I've complimented your work numerous times. :confused:

[SMP-Practitioner]

Sorry but I had to join the forum just to address BaldKen, I am an SMP Practitioner, I have been performing permanent SMP for 7 years now, so I am one of the most experienced out there, despite every practitioner claiming to have years of experience, I actually do.

 

I'm not going to say which clinic I currently work for as it will look like i'm on here to promote myself or the company.

 

The best place to have permanent SMP- simply put, the best place is any experienced permanent makeup practitioner who is willing to do this treatment.

 

Sorry completely wrong, just because a permanent makeup artist that usually does eyebrows and lips has done a 1 week course does not mean they can give you a good result, there are 100's of terrible results out there which proves my point.

 

Some permanent makeup practitioners and technicians do not want to mess with dotting scalps b/c it can be time consuming and quite tedious and boring.

 

Yeah changing peoples lives every day gets really boring!

 

And also the fact is that many experienced Micropigmentation practitioners view SMP as "beneath them" or just kind of amateurish b/c it is extremely easy to do, and requires little to no artistry or skill, but many will take on the job if they have time b/c it is usually worth 1-2 g's for them. Some charge less.

 

The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, I know several permanent makeup artists and they all agree SMP is a much harder treatment to get right, most would not even attempt it, not putting them down but I could do eyebrows with my eyes closed and it would take me 30-60 minutes to complete, In under 200 strokes, SMP Is a layering process which over the course of 3 sessions would be anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 dots, getting all the dots the same size ,blending with your natural, designing the hairline, making the hairline look natural and colour matching, with each session lasting anywhere from 1 to 7 hours is 10 times harder than any permeant makeup procedure, sorry Ken I see regular permanent makeup as beneath me, wouldn't waste my time with normal permanent makeup treatments and being honest the money is better in SMP.

 

Providers who offer SMP exclusively will try to lead you to believe that implanting tiny dots of ink is "extremely complicated" or requires "extensive training" or "special pigments and equipment" that only they possess LOL:D

 

See above, to get right yes it takes very extensive training and practice that only a few actually get right consistently, yes completely different pigments to permanent makeup and tattoos unless they are using the wrong pigment, the machine is only a power source but they are specific to micro pigmentation, they are not tattoo machines.

 

One of my favorite lines is "the scalp is a whole other animal" LOL So false!

 

Yes completely different animal!!!

 

But at the end of the day these same SMP providers either just recently learned how to do SMP by taking a 3 day course, or are actually Permanent makeup technicians themselves who still practice permanent makeup on a regular basis and use the same pigments, needles, machines and same equipment for both their Permanent makeup treatments and their SMP treatments.

 

I agree with you there, there are so many clinics popping up cleaning years of experience and have only had a few weeks, if that training. no permeant makeup artists use brown/blonde, ginger etc, no head in the world when shaved that short will still look like their actual hair colour, brown etc, a shaved head has a grey tone to it, real SMP pigment should be pure black that is diluted to match the darkness of the clients shaved scalp.

 

Sift through the Bogus testimonials, pseudoscience, and marketing, and just get the facts. And if the provider is selling you something that smells a whole lot like B.S., it probably is

 

Yes a lot of BS companies out there with a lot of false claims, just master getting the treatment right, produce good results that's all you need.

 

Here are some great examples i've seen over the years of how easy SMP is to do, anyone with a needle can do it, no skill needed!!!

Edited June 19, 2016 by SMP-Practitioner

[home1212]

wow !! can be just as bad and noticeably disfiguring as a bad HT ...

[Bill - Seemiller]

One of my biggest concerns about permanent SMP is the potential for discoloration and fading. Another is creating a natural appearance. Let's face it, if the SMP clinic/artist doesn't do an outstanding job making it look natural in appearance, you're basically stuck with it. These are some real concerns I have with the procedure. That said, if the first concern can be eliminated AND one can find an outstanding clinic/artist who can do a superior job, I too would be more interested in permanent SMP than temporary SMP.

 

Personally, I'm not a big fan of knowing that once I get work done that it's only going to last a couple of years before I have to go back and get another procedure done. And it's not like I'm just going to get a touch-up - I'm replacing the existing result because it faded away. And what if the second job isn't as good as the first? I suppose you're stuck with it.

 

SMP definitely has a place in today's modern hair restoration. However, I think clinics still need to address some major concerns with the procedure.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

[hairthere]

Sorry but when I see someone giving what I feel is misinformation about SMP--permanent or temporary--I'm going to give my opinion. SMP is not brain surgery, but it does take training, experience, and skill to do it properly. It's irresponsible of you to tell forum members they can go to just any permanent makeup practitioner and have them use any equipment to have SMP done.

Edited June 20, 2016 by hairthere

[U1992]

Hi densedream.

 

You said that a short haircut is something that you dont want because of your fut scar, but have you ever thought of SMP on your fut scar? That will give you the chance to change your look wheneber you want and I've seen some results where 99 percent of the scar is totally undetectable with short hair. Just an idea.

 

Good luck