NW3 hairline FUE - who's better: Konior or Shapiro?

[barracuda9]

Hi. I am planning a hairline FUE procedure and I'm a NW3. Would Dr. Konior, Dr. Ron Shapiro or Dr. Paul Shapiro be best and why? Thanks.

[thatoldchestnut]

I know this doesn't really answer your question but I'm going to do my best BUSA impression and say one word : Europe (ok, so it's probably not a perfect impression because he'd say Turkey ).

 

That said, Konior has shown some decent FUE work recently; I can't comment on Shapiro but if I were you I'd be looking at Lorenzo, Erdogan, Feriduni et al...

Edited June 7, 2015 by thatoldchestnut

[hairweare]

Agree that the doctors mentioned specialize in it, have a large volume and years of experience and do it everyday. The real choice begins once you have you passport ready.

[1978matt]

Hi. I am planning a hairline FUE procedure and I'm a NW3. Would Dr. Konior, Dr. Ron Shapiro or Dr. Paul Shapiro be best and why? Thanks.

 

I'd happily have FUE with Dr K tomorrow if I needed it. I'd even choose him above the venerable fella who resides in Madrid.

 

But, you should try to visit all 3 before making a decision of who is best for you.

[barracuda9]

So it's unlikely I will be going to Europe to be completely honest. Why are the European doctors viewed so highly? Anyways, Dr. K does have amazing pics posted but most are fut. I am assuming he does great work w/fue as well but that is just an assumption. Does anyone know what role Dr. K's techs have in the fue process? Just curious. Thanks!

[Spanker]

So it's unlikely I will be going to Europe to be completely honest. Why are the European doctors viewed so highly? Anyways, Dr. K does have amazing pics posted but most are fut. I am assuming he does great work w/fue as well but that is just an assumption. Does anyone know what role Dr. K's techs have in the fue process? Just curious. Thanks!

 

Dr. K does the extractions. He uses the PCID and manual. He prefers to do a hand full of test punches to make sure you're a good candidate before scheduling you for fue.

[mav23100gunther]

So it's unlikely I will be going to Europe to be completely honest. Why are the European doctors viewed so highly? Anyways, Dr. K does have amazing pics posted but most are fut. I am assuming he does great work w/fue as well but that is just an assumption. Does anyone know what role Dr. K's techs have in the fue process? Just curious. Thanks!

 

A) Because most of the top European surgeons specialize in FUE and offer it exclusively. B) because they consistently perform dense packed mega-session FUE procedures on par and most times consistently better than those of the top U.S. surgeons. C) FUE prices in Erope are substantially cheaper than the US. Erdogan (my top pick) charges less than 3 euros a graft, whilst the US surgeons charge $8 and more a graft. That's a huge difference and demonstrates that the U.S. FUE surgeons are comlpletely ripping off FUE patients.

 

I believe Konior is better known for FUT. In fact the top US surgeons - Shapiro, Konior, Rahal, and Hasson are all FUT specialists. I would stay away from them if choosing FUE. I highly recommend reconsidering Europe or going with FUT if you want to stay in the US.

[MAGNUMpi]

Lorenzo, Erdogan, Feriduni

Yeps.

[Blake Bloxham]

I think the biggest difference in FUE prices has less to do with region and more to do with who is removing the graft. For example, of the 3 surgeons Mag mentions above, all 3 of them predominantly use technician extraction. This is going to equate to less cost, but there is clearly a reason why.

 

I've always been pretty vocal against this model. FUE grafts are CRAZY fragile, and there are two issues at hand: 1) most of these technicians don't have their name on the door and none of them have gone through the extensive training of a physician. If the grafts get wrecked, it's really no sweat off their back -- nor is it really their fault. 2) a lot of the "WOW" results I see coming from Turkey specifically -- the doctor involvement seems to be higher in Europe -- come from clinics who subscribe to the following model: costs per grafts are very low because they are extracted by technicians; extract grafts fast -- the quickest I've heard so far was around 4,000 grafts in 2.5 hours --, and extract as many as possible in one session; pack these as densely and tightly as possible in young patients so the yield is essentially a moot point -- what does 3,000 grafts on a NW2 look like? Awesome. How about 2,000 grafts? Still awesome. But keep in mind that 4,000 were initially implanted.

 

Obviously this still leads to "WOW" results a good chunk of the time. However, I think this model can be a bit shortsighted for young guys, and I do not think it's the best utilization of grafts.

 

What's more, it's not accurate to compare a graft removed in 5 seconds by a technician for $3 to a graft removed over 30 seconds, by hand, by a guy like Konior for $8 bucks. It's like comparing a steak at Morton's to a burger at McD's and saying Morton's is ripping people off because it's all beef.

 

Also, I slightly disagree with the FUE results outdoing the US/European strip, but I won't open that can of worms now. Haha.

[MAGNUMpi]

For example, of the 3 surgeons Mag mentions above, all 3 of them predominantly use technician extraction. This is going to equate to less cost, but there is clearly a reason why.

 

I've always been pretty vocal against this model. FUE grafts are CRAZY fragile, and there are two issues at hand: 1) most of these technicians don't have their name on the door and none of them have gone through the extensive training of a physician. If the grafts get wrecked, it's really no sweat off their back -- nor is it really their fault.

I agree totally with that.

But also I think Turkey is less expensive because it's...Turkey.

In general knowing who the technicians are that will be working on you would be a smart thing to research (if that's even possible?)

But I should add that even though Dr. Konior is my #1 favorite FUT doctor he simply doesn't have as many stellar results posted (yet) to sway someone from a FUE Dr. like Lorenzo when looking at FUE as their preferred method.... Just my opinion though;)

[Blake Bloxham]

Mag,

 

Yeah, being able to research the technicians would be ideal. However, I don't think it's possible. They change and there are too many to know who will be operating on that day. This is at least what I've understood from reading patient experiences online. This becomes even more true when such large quantities of grafts are being removed and multiple procedures are occurring. However, research is always key and I would definitely encourage all patients to dig through and figure out who will actually be operating on them that day!

 

Konior definitely has more strip than FUE results posted. It does sound like he's taking his same approach to FUE though -- focused and uber dedicated!

[MAGNUMpi]

Yeah, being able to research the technicians would be ideal. However, I don't think it's possible. They change and there are too many to know who will be operating on that day. This is at least what I've understood from reading patient experiences online. This becomes even more true when such large quantities of grafts are being removed and multiple procedures are occurring. However, research is always key and I would definitely encourage all patients to dig through and figure out who will actually be operating on them that day!

Yes. Seems so important.

 

 

Konior definitely has more strip than FUE results posted. It does sound like he's taking his same approach to FUE though -- focused and uber dedicated!

Yea. He is a Jedi for sure.

[Blake Bloxham]

Yea. He is a Jedi for sure.

 

Hahaha. Love it!

[Sparky]

I think the biggest difference in FUE prices has less to do with region and more to do with who is removing the graft. For example, of the 3 surgeons Mag mentions above, all 3 of them predominantly use technician extraction. This is going to equate to less cost, but there is clearly a reason why.

 

I've always been pretty vocal against this model. FUE grafts are CRAZY fragile, and there are two issues at hand: 1) most of these technicians don't have their name on the door and none of them have gone through the extensive training of a physician. If the grafts get wrecked, it's really no sweat off their back -- nor is it really their fault. 2) a lot of the "WOW" results I see coming from Turkey specifically -- the doctor involvement seems to be higher in Europe -- come from clinics who subscribe to the following model: costs per grafts are very low because they are extracted by technicians; extract grafts fast -- the quickest I've heard so far was around 4,000 grafts in 2.5 hours --, and extract as many as possible in one session; pack these as densely and tightly as possible in young patients so the yield is essentially a moot point -- what does 3,000 grafts on a NW2 look like? Awesome. How about 2,000 grafts? Still awesome. But keep in mind that 4,000 were initially implanted.

 

Obviously this still leads to "WOW" results a good chunk of the time. However, I think this model can be a bit shortsighted for young guys, and I do not think it's the best utilization of grafts.

 

What's more, it's not accurate to compare a graft removed in 5 seconds by a technician for $3 to a graft removed over 30 seconds, by hand, by a guy like Konior for $8 bucks. It's like comparing a steak at Morton's to a burger at McD's and saying Morton's is ripping people off because it's all beef.

 

Also, I slightly disagree with the FUE results outdoing the US/European strip, but I won't open that can of worms now. Haha.

 

 

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