rahal or Konior for FUE?

[matt1164]

which one would you choose?

[KO]

Konior

[Gram]

Dr. K

[hairweare]

Neither specialize in FUE and charge way too much in my opinion. Cheaper and wiser option is to consider the top FUE surgeons in Europe especially now that the Euro is weak. Many claim to have success in Turkey or India but I would stick to Europe myself.

[hairlosscpa]

What was the price both surgeons quoted if you don't mind me asking? I am also considering Dr. K for FUE ~ 2000 grafts per his recommendation

[1978matt]

Dr Konior has practised FUE for over 10 years and performed pretty much every other type of hair transplant surgery during the last 25+. This idea that he does not specialise in FUE couldn't be further from the truth.

 

I don't know much about Rahal's protocols but I'd ask what his involvement would be in your surgery.

[KO]

Why couldn't it be further? A predominantly FUT doctor like Konior probably does FUE maybe once or twice a week. An FUE only doctor might do it closer to 5-10x a week dependent on patients/day. It will make a difference in experience.

[2youngforthis]

Agreed... He is known for fut. i mean I haven't seen anyone with an fue by dr k.. Go see dr Allen

[Gram]

I have met dr. Konior. I haven't met Rahal. My take away from the time I spent with him is that is that he is the Jiro Dreams of Sushi of hair. He takes too much pride in his work to dream of screwing anyone up, not that others intentionally under perform. Others have results who are quite often very good and on par with his best results but even his worst work seems to still be good. I look at it like if you go with dr k. your worst case scenario is miles better than most others. I think this is an important consideration as disappointing HTs are less rare than grandslam results.

 

with that said, I have only seen two FUE results from him which both happened to be solid. At the very least, you won't walk out of his office after a FUE procedure over harvested or with a head full of misangled grafts and scar tissue in your recipient.

[2youngforthis]

Yeah don't take what I said wrong. Dr k is an amazing dr. Hell I meet him and wanted to use him but he kept pushing fue. I just dont think I want an fut procedure especially at the density rate I was quoted. I could get close to two fut procedures from dr k for the price of an fue.

 

Dr k is a hero and changed many men's lives. Straight up honest guy. Like I said I wanted to use him for fut, but he suggest fue and at double the price I just can't do it.... Especially if I will need more than one procedure

[Gram]

Yeah don't take what I said wrong. Dr k is an amazing dr. Hell I meet him and wanted to use him but he kept pushing fue. I just dont think I want an fut procedure especially at the density rate I was quoted. I could get close to two fut procedures from dr k for the price of an fue.

 

Dr k is a hero and changed many men's lives. Straight up honest guy. Like I said I wanted to use him for fut, but he suggest fue and at double the price I just can't do it.... Especially if I will need more than one procedure

 

I hear you. All the docs are pretty different from each other. The whole thing is pretty interesting in how subjective it is.

[Squatch]

I have met dr. Konior. I haven't met Rahal. My take away from the time I spent with him is that is that he is the Jiro Dreams of Sushi of hair. He takes too much pride in his work to dream of screwing anyone up, not that others intentionally under perform. Others have results who are quite often very good and on par with his best results but even his worst work seems to still be good. I look at it like if you go with dr k. your worst case scenario is miles better than most others. I think this is an important consideration as disappointing HTs are less rare than grandslam results.

 

with that said, I have only seen two FUE results from him which both happened to be solid. At the very least, you won't walk out of his office after a FUE procedure over harvested or with a head full of misangled grafts and scar tissue in your recipient.

Jiro Ono..... I don't know if many know who he is? LOL Good analogy though.

[rev333]

neither specialize in fue and charge way too much in my opinion. Cheaper and wiser option is to consider the top fue surgeons in europe especially now that the euro is weak. Many claim to have success in turkey or india but i would stick to europe myself.

 

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[FUE2014]

Since when does Dr K specialise in FUE?

[1978matt]

He does not have to perform FUE 100% of the time to be labelled a specialist.

 

A lot of people believe he is FUT only because they read a posting by Jeff Bloggs in 2013 who never even met him.

 

Even if he does 1 or 2 FUE a week it is probably more hands on than most other clinics that heavily rely on techs/surgical assistants to do the extractions.

[JoeTillman]

I think that Dr. Konior's patients and those that have spent time investigating his practice may feel he is a specialist in FUE as they may have seen results or spoken to patients outside of the online forums. For instance, I had no idea he's performed FUE for ten years but if that is the case, why are there so few results shown online? Perhaps I overlooked it but I cannot find a single FUE result on his website. Dr. Rahal's website doesn't have a large emphasis on FUE either but there are several results and of course I've seen many more during my time with the company so I am privy to that but I think that if Dr. Konior is to be considered a specialist in FUE there should be at least some semblance of a push to get the results out to the public. About a year ago someone asked if anyone could point out FUE results by Konior, After five pages not a single result was posted or discussed.

[hairweare]

For the cost of a 2500-3000 graft FUE in NA. one could fly first class to Europe stay at a nice hotel, see some famous sites, eat well, get their procedure done and still have plenty of change left. Considering FUE in NA at this time makes no economic sense unless you are a repair patient with no scalp hair left. In that case Dr. Umar would be worth a visit but at an astronomical price.

 

That said Vories has apparently abandoned Neograft ( thank goodness!) and adopted Lorenzo's technique of manual extraction using .8mm punches and the implanter pen. I have not seen enough of his results to endorse him or know what his rates are, but he is on the right track. It is also my understanding that he went to Madrid to personally observe Lorenzo's clinic which indicates a certain degree of dedication.

[MusoInOz]

Both are obviously great surgeons mate, the key factor here would be to distinguish a similar result from either that resembles your current situation, and also go with your gut instinct. I truly believe you can only really ask the opinion of the guys here however it boils down to a personal choice.

I would sit in either chair and have for one (clearly).

 

Good luck Mate!

 

Let us know if you need any assistance though.

 

Mike

[Gram]

I think that Dr. Konior's patients and those that have spent time investigating his practice may feel he is a specialist in FUE as they may have seen results or spoken to patients outside of the online forums. For instance, I had no idea he's performed FUE for ten years but if that is the case, why are there so few results shown online? Perhaps I overlooked it but I cannot find a single FUE result on his website. Dr. Rahal's website doesn't have a large emphasis on FUE either but there are several results and of course I've seen many more during my time with the company so I am privy to that but I think that if Dr. Konior is to be considered a specialist in FUE there should be at least some semblance of a push to get the results out to the public. About a year ago someone asked if anyone could point out FUE results by Konior, After five pages not a single result was posted or discussed.

 

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175089-raymond-konior-md-chicago-2514-graft-frontal-hairline-restoration.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177257-raymond-konior-md-%96-chicago-%96-2320-graft-fue-hairline-restoration.html

[KO]

I'm afraid talking about a doctor's dedication and passion for the subject is not enough to determine whether he is good at it. I think the only thing that matters is getting to see results, ideally patient posted ones.

[FUE2014]

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175089-raymond-konior-md-chicago-2514-graft-frontal-hairline-restoration.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/177257-raymond-konior-md-%96-chicago-%96-2320-graft-fue-hairline-restoration.html

 

It's not exactly an extensive catalogue of FUE work though. Based on published results Dr K's work is predominantly FUT. He is not a 50:50 FUE:FUT doc like Feriduni or Bisanga. As as a north american doc, he appears to publish far fewer FUE results than the likes of Rahal and Diep. Of course I don't have the inside knowledge Matt obviously has of his practices and the number of FUE cases he has a week, but just from what I have observed from published redults on the HRN. I'm sure he has considerable expertise in FUE, but I'm not sure whether he has published sufficient FUE work yet to label him a "FUE specialist". Be that as it may, he appears to be a supurb doc but I am basing this on what I have observed from his FUT work, not his handful of FUE results, which is how any objective assessment should be.

[FUE2014]

ps Matt, what is the nature of your association now with Dr K?

[ftbpicks]

well i considered both and went with Rahal. I am only 5 months in and the amount of compliments and positive things people have been saying to me are amazing.

 

Any questions I can answer for you let me know on my experience.

 

I also don't work for Dr Rahal and my opinion is not influenced for personal gain like I feel a lot of posters are on this forum that post a lot.

[PupDaddy]

I think maybe we're being tripped up by semantics. The terms "specialist" and "specialize" can connote varying meanings. I think hairweare was using it in the sense of an ht doc performing FUE predominantly or exclusively vs. FUT, whereas I think Matt was using it to mean adept, skilled, or experienced.

 

As between Dr. Rahal and Dr. Konior, the former has published many more FUE results, and he more aggressively promotes FUE in his practice (even trademarking a name for it, which I think is kind of silly but does indicate a focus on marketing FUE). It is probably fair to say that Dr. Rahal and his team(s) have performed substantially more FUE transplants than Dr. Konior and his team, and that FUE comprises a larger percentage of Dr. Rahal's practice than Dr. Konior's.

 

That said, Dr. Konior is much more present and hands-on for his transplant procedures, and he still operates on only one patient per day. Last I checked, he was limiting FUE procedures to around 1,500 or so grafts per transplant, whereas I believe Dr. Rahal's clinic will do around 2,500 or so grafts per FUE transplant. Neither Konior nor Rahal were doing consecutive day FUE transplants, so you would need two staggered transplants if you required more grafts than their per-session maximums. Dr. Rahal's technicians do most or all of the extractions, using a hand-held motorized punch, whereas I believe that Dr. Konior does most or all of his own extractions, using either manual punches or Dr. Cole's PCID (Powered Cole Isolation Device). This info could be out of date so you would want to check with the clinics.

 

Frankly, as of today, as between these two gifted physicians, I'm not sure which I would choose. In other words OP, I'm punting.

[ontop]

What about Dr Diep is he not worth a shout in all this?

 

I know he sometimes goes nuts on the zig zag hairline but from what I've seen he's got some great results which i are documented this site.

 

Just my 2 cents.