Dr. Armani silences most critics

[Byehair]

Since the lawsuit post will be removed soon and no longer part of cyberspace, I feel there should be a new thread for people to complain about the unethical dealings coming from the Armani camp.

 

As Pat stated in the past Lawsuit post:

 

One of my primary and long time concerns about Dr. Armani has been his willingness to pander to young patient's by creating juvinal hairlines by dense packing their hairlines.

 

As most of you already know, many ethical surgeons and educated patients have long shared my concern that when these young patients get older and their hair loss progresses their depleted and limited supply of bald resistent hair follicles will be insufficient to restore the bald area behind their dense packed juvinille hairline.

 

Thus this young patient may some day be a middle aged man with a thick teenage hairline and a large bald area behind it. Since such a pattern of hair loss is not natural the patient would look ridiculous. That is why ethical physicians in my opinion create hair restoration plans that will serve the patient now and in the future, rather than pandering to their immediate desire.

 

In my opinion, Dr. Armani's promotion of his services is deceptive and inaccurate.

 

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Obviously Armaini's main interest is his pocket book and not the client's best interest.

 

Shane and Pats (Armani Reps) have completely disappeared.

And now most negative postings will disappear as well. Farell caved and now????????????

[Byehair]

Too much good information to just let it go to waste. (As posted by Pat on a previous thread)

 

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Over the years many doctors, patients and potential patients have expressed concerns about Dr. Armani's ethics, advertising and the end results of his FUE procedure in particular (on and offline). These concerns have not only been expressed on this forum community but on numerous other hair loss forums. I have included a sampling of just some examples of the many threads/topics where these concerns have been discussed.

 

Clearly, I'm not alone in having reservations in regards to Dr. Armani. I invite those who want to learn more about these concerns to follow the below links and then reach their own conclusions. To research topics referencing Dr. Armani on this forum, click on the "Find" button and enter "Armani".

 

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1. Issue - Densely packed megasessions in the hairline of an extremely young patient. What about the risk of future hair loss and a finite donor supply?

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...68&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...18&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p426769

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p433416

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p416686

 

2. Based on the evidence to date on various forums, there appears to be a lack of compelling evidence that Dr. Armani's relatively new FUE mega session procedure is living up to its promises.

 

Im NOT satisfied with my FUE-result with Alvi Armani!

 

The FUE results aren't up to par

 

Other similar topics:

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...DBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=4

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...DBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...695&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...ilit=+armani#p438316

 

 

3. Issue - Dr. Armani has claimed that the average patient has 15,000 follicular unit grafts available for hair transplant surgery. Yet, nobody seems to have seen any patients with this number of donor grafts removed from the donor area. Dr. Armani's claim has been controversial -

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...DBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=4

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...95&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...DBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=1

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p394171

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...545&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE

 

4. Issue - Concerns about overestimating number of grafts needed to achieve desired hair restoration goals.

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...150&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...pic.php?f=13&t=41880

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/7301025543

 

5. Advertising FUE as a non-surgical technique

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...95&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

 

6. Using a strip patient to advertise FUE

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...95&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...id=32&threadid=74646

 

 

7: Concerns about deceptive photo presentation:

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...62&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

 

8. General statements about questionable ethics:

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...DBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=2

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...68&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/fo...18&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p426769

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p433416

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p416686

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...rmani+ethics#p394171

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/in...hilit=+armani+ethics

[Pat - Community Publisher]

Byehair,

 

Your subject of this topic "Dr. Armani silences all critics" is complete conspiratorial bullshit.

 

I have fought hard and long for years to tell the truth about Armani and Co, while people called me a fool for not promoting him. But as we all now know - the truth came out - despite all the cheer leading, spinning and efforts at damage control.

 

Because of my many critical statements and those made by others on this forum, this community and myself were sued by Dr. Armani in June of 2008. Bill (our forum moderator) and I then successfully fought this lawsuit tooth and nail for months and at great expense.

 

The end result - all the members of this forum, including myself, continue to have the right to express their opinions and experiences with Dr. Armani and all physicians.

 

I never have nor will I ever let anyone put a muzzle on me or this community. I have not revised my opinion of Dr. Armani nor any of my many comments, which can be easily found by using our "Find" feature to search for them.

 

Byehair get your facts straight before you make and spread ignorant and incorrect assumptions.

[Byehair]

Pat, I am not trying to start a fight here. I was only voicing my opinion that I thought it was strange that the whole lawsuit thread would be removed from public viewing.

I respect you standing up to Dr. Armani, but I don't understand the reasoning for removing the lawsuit thread entirely.

 

Alot of good information was posted in the 12 pages of that thread.

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

I have to agree with Pat as far as Armani silencing him ,since all the other Armani posts can still be found on here.

Those posts are much more damaging imo

I would have liked to keep the lawsuit thread alive but its served its purpose I suppose.

As long as this thread and the others stay put Im AG

[Mr. GQ]

Byehair,

 

most if not all of those links are dead!

 

"ERROR: The page you were accessing requires variables to be passed to it.

 

Error Code: 100"

 

others say "topic no longer exist"

 

is it just my computer or what?????

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

No its not yuor computer. I suppose those sites deleted the threads .

I know this site didnt yet.

 

Heres a quote from the Alvi camp when they didnt get accepted here in 06

Dr. Armani is recommended by the IARHS and American Hair Loss Association. It's widely known that the IAHRS only recommends the "best of the best" and is the oldest and most respected community.

 

Well for 1 its the IAHRS and 2 even they kicked Alvi off.

There only one bogus ass site that supports him now.

Anything negative gets deleted and they are the next site to go down and dont even know it yet.

[Petchski]

What the reason for deleting the Armani law suit thread? Does it have anything to do with the court case?

[lost my swagger]

this whole thing stinks.......

 

guess what.. the thread HAS served its purpose and the lawsuit is over.... SO LOCK THE DAMN THREAD, DONT DELETE IT.....

 

pat are you trying to let people forget that the lawsuit ever took place???? lock the thread dont erase it from existance, otherwise its just as bad as whats going on on those other sites.... u speak alot about freedoms and what this site stands for, but if you ask me the deletion of this thread goes against much of that.....LOCK THE THREAD IF YOU MUST....

 

dont make it disappear......my 2 cents

[lost my swagger]

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[hairthere]

With 234 replies and 31866 views i have to agree that the post should stay. perhaps just turn it into a regular topic posting though so it doesn't just sit at the top of the site?

[thanatopsis_awry]

Of course, it would be nice for the lawsuit thread to stand; and, in and of itself, its removal can look like some pro-Armani victory, or Pat making some compromise for Armani's benefit.

 

That said, HTN has been a bastion of free speech; and, w/ regard to Armani (and other hacks, too), Pat hasn't just allowed us to talk the talk, but clearly took great aims to walk the walk himself. No matter how passionate and strong any of us feel, it's dwarfed by Pat taking the route less chosen and directly putting his finances, reputation, and very livelihood in the crosshairs for no benefit other than protecting free speech and his vision for heightened honesty.

 

I would very much like the lawsuit thread to stand -- I personally posted a few gems in it, along w/ many others, and it sucks to see them go 6ft under.

 

But, perfection is the enemy of the good -- and if that (legally entwined) thread is a lone sacrifice in the battle to allow the myriad of past, present and future posts to stand, while neutering Armani's vicious lawsuits, I have little problem, and trust that its removal is that of a necessary and calculated move to achieve the best possible outcome (which sometimes means abandoning a fixation on a perfect outcome).

[hairthere]

Well, I do agree that if removing the post was part of the settlement and leaving it would cause further legal woes, it should dissapear....

[lost my swagger]

Originally posted by hairthere:

Well, I do agree that if removing the post was part of the settlement and leaving it would cause further legal woes, it should dissapear....

 

i dont agree... if the removal of THIS or ANY armani thread was part of ANY agreement then HTN did, in fact, BOW DOWN to armani. and that in and of itself goes against what HTN has said they stand for through this entire suit.....

 

tawry-- i agree with you saying you posted a few gems in that thread, so did others. i feel its IMPORTANT that new members, and new viewers have the RIGHT to find the lawsiut thread and read through it themselves... it did happen, dont keep future newbies in the dark about this pat.... if its at all possible to keep this thread DO IT!...... i know you feel its the 'right' thing to do here, make us believe you mean business when you speak of what this site stands for, if you cannot then at the very least explain from a legal standpoint what and(more importantly) WHY you agreed upon such action...... i do feel the members here are owed this much.

[Pat - Community Publisher]

Guys,

 

As many of you may know, it is typical that when a lawsuit is settled both parties are sworn not to divulge the details of it. Thus while me and everyone on this forum are free to express our opinions about Dr. Armani and any other physician, I'm not free to discuss the final settlement or gloat about it. To do so would invite yet another lawsuit.

 

However, thanatopsis_awry clearly understands why with the lawsuit gone the lawsuit topic has to go. I also appreciate that he knows my record and intentions and trusts them.

 

I agree that some real gems were posted by many of us on the lawsuit topic. I appreciate everyones efforts to shine bright lights on all the issues discussed in the lawsuit topic.

 

Together our vigilance and posts set the record straight and made it clear that our free speech would not be suppressed. I'm not sure that all our members fully appreciate the significance of what we accomplished here together.

 

However, that topic has served its purpose. The lawsuit is gone and so will the lawsuit topic. But hundreds of topics and posts critiquing Dr. Armani and his techniques will remain. One need only click on our "Find" feature and search for "Armani" to see this.

 

In addition, we are all free to again post our thoughts and experiences in existing or new topics on this forum regarding Dr. Armani or any other physician or technique.

 

The bottom line is we fought the good fight at great expense and our rights to free speech on this forum remain intact 100%! Let's be glad for what we accomplished and move ahead.

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

at the very least explain from a legal standpoint what and(more importantly) WHY you agreed upon such action...... i do feel the members here are owed this much.

 

I agree as I also contributed my FREE time to try and expose this fraud.

I put myself in a vulnerable position for people Ill never meet or even talk to.

I hate that I feel like it was for nothing

[Pat - Community Publisher]

PGP (aka Dr. Bosely), did you not read my above post?

[lost my swagger]

However, thanatopsis_awry clearly understands why with the lawsuit gone the lawsuit topic has to go. I also appreciate that he knows my record and intentions and trusts them.

 

i was afraid that his post would give you an "out"........

 

look, nobody is questioning your past pat. we know you fought against armani and for this forum. but this end is not a good one and its not to be expected based on all that you have said in the past...

 

i wish to say one more time, LOCK THE THREAD, DONT ERASE IT FROM EXISTANCE....

 

do you not want to compose yourself DIFFERENTLY then other forums who have little to no RESPECT from vet posters???? its my opinion that deletion of this thread WITHOUT giving clear reasons falls in line with every other forum... the longtime members will not forget this.... but i suppose in the grand scheme we will move on and it will be just another online thread that us regulars have seen disappear... it will be a shame though.... a damn shame....

[Bill - Seemiller]

Lost My Swagger,

 

I don't know what you're still complaining about.

 

Pat already clearly stated above that there are certain details of the lawsuit that can't be discussed or it would invite another lawsuit. So unless you'd like to pay all the legal fees for disclosing all the details, you are simply going to have to accept there is certain information we can't share with you.

 

You appear to be dwelling on the removal of one of a hundred threads rather than celebrating the freedom of speech all of us continue to have on this forum community.

 

The decision to remove the lawsuit thread remains now that it has served its purpose. Ultimately, you will conclude what you want and whether to trust us or not. But we have earned the trust and respect of long time members of this community and even if some don't agree with all of our decisions, they know we work to protect and preserve the integrity of this patient based community.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[Pat - Community Publisher]

lost my swagger.

 

You're a real "arm chair quarterback". Where were you when we were paying tens of thousands of dollars to lawyers to fight the lawsuit? Oh yes, you were sitting back and spectating without spending a dime or months of your life fighting. Now you come online to criticize me and state that "this end is not a good one".

 

Bill and I could have settled this situation months ago at far less cost and aggravation if we had been willing to "bow down". But we were unwilling to compromise the free speech and integrity of this community and continued the long and costly fight to assure that these rights would not be impaired.

 

No doubt if I handed you a solid gold bar you'd complain that it was too heavy to carry.

[hairthere]

Fellas, the fact is we are still allowed to say what we want regarding armani (as evidenced by this thread). Let it go...

[Byehair]

If the main thread is going to be removed then I think it would be best if we as posters found some of our more memorable posts from that thread and repost them here.

 

Here is one of the better ones from Pat:

 

I got a real chuckle out of this video in which, Dr. Armani says that "FUE is simply removing the hair one by one by using the microscope. And there's no surgical dissection, no cutting, no scalpel."

 

I wish the amateur interviewer would have followed up by asking Dr. Armani "So how does the microscope remove the hairs from the scalp?"

 

Notice how Dr. Armani dances around and evades admitting that he uses a punch to cut into the scalp in order to remove the follicle or that he makes incisions in the scalp to place the grafts.

 

He then goes on about how its all about artistry . . . Then he states - "It really is more art than surgery." Then realizing his mistake in actually admitting that his surgery really is surgery he tries to recover from his stumble by saying ". . . we're really not doing much surgery, especially with the FUE technique." Then Dr. Armani really stumbles over his words and says "We're really not doing any surgery at all."

 

To hear him talk you would think he were giving his patients a cut and blow dry.

 

Hot air is blowing for sure but it's not coming out of a hair dryer.

 

Watch and enjoy it while you can before they pull the video off the Web:

 

http://revver.com/video/230980/alvi-armanis-award-winning-hair-transplant-technique-fue/

 

To see video and animations of how the FUE surgery is actually performed using a punch visit http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...gical-procedures.asp

[PLEASE GROW PLEASE]

PGP (aka Dr. Bosely), did you not read my above post?

 

Actually no as I was posting and eating at the same time .

Its all good. I would like it to stay but if its a possible invitation to another lawsuit then I understand.

There are plenty and will be plenty more Armani threads.

Oh and Pat Im the biggest arm chair QB.

You should hear me after a Bears ,Sox ,Bulls and,Hawks loss

 

OOOOOOOOOWWWWEEEEEEEE First time I ever heard Alvi talk Boy hes sweeter then cotton candy.

You go boy!!!

 

Heres the video he put together when he knew that the drill would attract a ton of young guys

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L-2Fccv6U4

[hopefull]

Originally posted by Pat - Publisher of this Community:

lost my swagger.

 

You're a real "arm chair quarterback". Where were you when we were paying tens of thousands of dollars to lawyers to fight the lawsuit? Oh yes, you were sitting back and spectating without spending a dime or months of your life fighting.

 

Thats not really fair because LMS doesn't own a site about hairloss and he does not rip off the benefits of having advertisers making thousands of dollars to pay lawsuits. And to be completely fair i dont think Armani would bother making a case against LMS an internet poster in a court...he would be more believable suing a site that has many of his competitors advertising thus making money that he can claim.

 

but other than that which propably came from frustration...i think the guys are right LMS and we have to support them whichever way they go.Imagine a car crash that the car is on fire and a guy jumps in with the risk of his own life saves you wife and your daughter, but then the fire starts spreading with the risk of the car blowing off at any minute, and he doesnt jump in to save your son also.What are you gonna tell him "Bastard why you didnt save my son as well" or thank him for saving at least your wife and your daughter???

 

Lets be reasonable this thread means nothing compared to the free speech that we enjoy on the subject...try commenting on other forums about Armani

[lost my swagger]

pat and Bill, sorry to voice what alot are thinking...

 

pat you know nothing about me FOR REAL, why label me as anything? especially when ive made note of your own hard work in the past. i appreciate your fight and your stance on freedom of speech on here. i just dont think this ending lives up to that. if i am "critcizing", its meant to be constructive, not piss you off. i do what i can in every aspect of my life to be a posiitive benefit in anything i take part of.. should i have been in the courtroom with you?? then whould i be able to speak of my views on the deletion of the thread???

 

anyway, it is what it is. just wanted to add my 2 cents... i did that..... mucho take-it easy, ill get in line for you two just like i did for the great "PGP".......... im a follower at heart.