Dr KORAY ERDOGAN - 2820 grafts FUE

[ASMEDMANUALFUE]

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ASMED SURGICAL MEDICAL CENTER

DR KORAY ERDOGAN

 

 

 

 

 

 

- PATIENT'S AGE: 32

 

- Hair loss type LUDWIG (Alopecia Diffusa): II

 

- OPERATION DETAILS: 2820 grafts FUE extracted by manual punch, diameter 0.6 - 0.8 mm.

Incisions executed by: custom made blades, lateral slit

 

* 415 single grafts

* 754 double grafts

* 1651 multiple grafts

 

 

- GRAFTS DISTRIBUTION: 700 grafts were used to restore the lateral sides of the patient's hairline (350 grafts each side); 1400 grafts to fill the mid-scalp and 720 grafts to cover the vertex

 

- FINASTERIDE: The patient started the treatment 2 weeks before undergoing the surgery

 

 

** The patient has just undergone a second surgery (2000 grafts FUE) to optimise his mid-scalp and vertex areas. We will keep you updated as soon as we will have a detailed documentation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited September 17, 2014 by ASMEDMANUALFUE

[KO]

Wet before again?

[BUSA]

impressive as usual.

[Headon]

What a transformation... love the work. I know he has used wet pictures again on this one but at least the hair styles can be compared from wet to wet look. You can tell the difference and probably can see the weak thinning areas when wet so I am guessing that is why.

 

But at least a WET to WET picture is comparable and there is some DRY pictures too but no DRY Before look if you had the dry before and after next to each other as you did with the wet everyone would appreciate it more.

 

Goodjob!

[home1212]

and only 2800 grafts, wow! nice

[TakingThePlunge]

Very impressive!

[xileron342]

Why do you prefer to take photos after wetting the hair? I mean pre-op ones.

[lifeisbeautiful]

looking impressive.

[californian]

Wet before again?

 

But at least a WET to WET picture is comparable and there is some DRY pictures too but no DRY Before look if you had the dry before and after next to each other as you did with the wet everyone would appreciate it more.

 

 

Why do you prefer to take photos after wetting the hair? I mean pre-op ones.

 

 

Yes, the hairs in pre-op pictures are wet, but above all they are cut short (compared to post-ops) and are widely scattered. Even, the ordinary people with no serious hair loss would show some degree of hair thinning if his photos were taken under the same conditions i.e wet, scattered short-cut hairs. The degree of hair loss was much less, but it was deliberately tried to be shown more severe in the pre-ops. Even the non-transplanted areas over middle front parts show better hair density after transplant.

 

Most of the thick hairs growing after transplant are original hairs, there are some empty areas (less density) under them, covered by thinner hairs coming from hair transplant. If this results were so impressive, why would he need 2000 grafts more?

 

The optical illusion, photographic work (although the photos are real) is mostly on the pre-ops, less in the post-ops. So the changes are remarkable. Congrats.

 

But should this case deserve criticism for that?? I don't think so. There is so much competition among the clinics and doctors in the hair transplant business. And the patients' demands are increasing more and more. New competitors are coming each day to the area, and the techniques are developing so rapidly, infamous marketing tactics are everywhere. Costs are increasing, prices are reducing. Hard to survive.

 

Here is a nice collection by 1978 Matt, very senior member of network. (from another thread)

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...s-post-op.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...dr-cooley.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...html#485109564

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...storation.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...-nw6-male.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...-9-months.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...prp-acell.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.co...-age-27-a.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172287-my-progress-dr-maral.html

 

 

Impressive results, but how can we be sure? There are always some photographic manipulations, more or less, one way or another. They are concealing something, sometimes do not show the pictures of 1st day of post-op that shows what surgeon has really done at surgery, or they are reluctant to provide the age of the patients or the picture of donor areas showing what the patients have lost to gain this result. A smart guy Aaron1234 summarized our thinkings, suspicions, but never dared to reveal, afraid to be blamed to be a spoilsport.

 

This is indeed a great result. But also consider the hairstyle. It is grown out long and combed to the side. This is a layering effect which effectively creates the illusion of much greater density. Also, the patient is using some of his native hair from the lateral humps in combing it to the side. Not saying these pictures are dishonest or that it is a comb over - but the patient is wearing his transplanted hair in the best possible way to achieve the fullest density.

 

 

Anyway, does this critisms humiliate, lower the value of these great works. Absolutely not. All results are real, sucsessful, and have changed the patients' lives. The techniques are flawless, and the changes are far beyond our best expectations. We must admire all and it is proved that, hair transplant is one and only effective way of treatment for hair loss, baldness. And every surgeon should be respected for providing such gratifying results.

 

Given that all physicians have a right to promote themselves, should we accuse the physicians who use some kind of photographic tricks in their sample pictures? Should they be blamed of showing us only the perfect results and adding some manipulations in pictures. Absolutely not, we have no rights to do this, just because even we, the patients who post the results do the same, intentionally, or unintentionally. Patients who are satisfied with the transplant, glad with his physicians use the same tricks in a positive way. Patients who have some problems with their physicians use it in the negative way (taking close-ups with the hairs scattered, flashed pictures). All we need is to find supporters; supporters of our psychology, good or bad.

 

Now, what is the practical value of this forgivable photographic tricks? We patients always want to see just the perfect results, want to see one session of hair transplant for grade 7 hair loss covering the whole head like the artificial hairs, never wanna see usual and expected results. We do not know or consider potentials of the donor areas, racial differences, skin characteristics, psychological distresses, much more and all affecting the results of hair transplant and the results may be so variable after implantation of same number of the grafts to the same surface area even by the same physician. We want more grafts, more coverage, more density, lower hairline. So the FUT surgeons are now cutting 25-30 cm long strips extending from one temple to another to remove much more grafts to compete with the FUE surgeons (15X2 cm FUT strips give only 1500 grafts on average, 1200-2000 range), and FUE surgeons are going to use other body hairs, although they know body hairs are generally useless, inconsistent, problematic, good for nothing but just torturing patients- just to give more and more numbers, just to fulfill the endless desires of us. (if not economical reasons by charging per graft:)))

 

 

We all know, any hair transplant operation may produce dissatisfied patient, depending so many variables among the characteristics of the patients. Even the best HT surgeons have occasionally unsatisfying results, the surgeon is the same, so why do the results change?? Still, why do physicians need to use this advertorial tricks and avoid to give some occasional modest results??

 

Providing only the perfect, wonderful, amazing, shocking, incredible, unbelievable results, and applying some photographic tricks increase the expectations of the patients and may create unrealistic demands. The physicians should promote themselves, but doing in this way, they shoot themselves in the foot as well. Physicians create patients who are much more demanding and have unrealistic expectations about the results, and when patients get honest, modest, usual, ordinary or unexceptional results, they get disappointed and shocked, feel much more distress, this may even causes retardation of hair growth. Impressive, wow results fill this network, where are the others? In other forums?? So, Why??

[Spanker]

I would probably go for another 2k grafts in the frontal half to boost density. Not bad, this is just a two procedure patient imo.

[StaggerLee123]

End results look great, but to echo what others have said, the wet messed up hair before pics make it hard to tell for sure. This clinic does great work they should really present their work better!!

[californian]

Here is an example of a modest, average, expected but particularly an honest result. Congratulations to the physician for his honest presentation.

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176811-dr-mike-beehner%3B-3265-grafts%3B-patient-low-donor-density.html

[promotive1111]

Yes, the hairs in pre-op pictures are wet, but above all they are cut short (compared to post-ops) and are widely scattered. Even, the ordinary people with no serious hair loss would show some degree of hair thinning if his photos were taken under the same conditions i.e wet, scattered short-cut hairs. The degree of hair loss was much less, but it was deliberately tried to be shown more severe in the pre-ops. Even the non-transplanted areas over middle front parts show better hair density after transplant.

 

Most of the thick hairs growing after transplant are original hairs, there are some empty areas (less density) under them, covered by thinner hairs coming from hair transplant. If this results were so impressive, why would he need 2000 grafts more?

 

The optical illusion, photographic work (although the photos are real) is mostly on the pre-ops, less in the post-ops. So the changes are remarkable. Congrats.

 

But should this case deserve criticism for that?? I don't think so. There is so much competition among the clinics and doctors in the hair transplant business. And the patients' demands are increasing more and more. New competitors are coming each day to the area, and the techniques are developing so rapidly, infamous marketing tactics are everywhere. Costs are increasing, prices are reducing. Hard to survive.

 

Here is a nice collection by 1978 Matt, very senior member of network. (from another thread)

 

 

Impressive results, but how can we be sure? There are always some photographic manipulations, more or less, one way or another. They are concealing something, sometimes do not show the pictures of 1st day of post-op that shows what surgeon has really done at surgery, or they are reluctant to provide the age of the patients or the picture of donor areas showing what the patients have lost to gain this result. A smart guy Aaron1234 summarized our thinkings, suspicions, but never dared to reveal, afraid to be blamed to be a spoilsport.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, does this critisms humiliate, lower the value of these great works. Absolutely not. All results are real, sucsessful, and have changed the patients' lives. The techniques are flawless, and the changes are far beyond our best expectations. We must admire all and it is proved that, hair transplant is one and only effective way of treatment for hair loss, baldness. And every surgeon should be respected for providing such gratifying results.

 

Given that all physicians have a right to promote themselves, should we accuse the physicians who use some kind of photographic tricks in their sample pictures? Should they be blamed of showing us only the perfect results and adding some manipulations in pictures. Absolutely not, we have no rights to do this, just because even we, the patients who post the results do the same, intentionally, or unintentionally. Patients who are satisfied with the transplant, glad with his physicians use the same tricks in a positive way. Patients who have some problems with their physicians use it in the negative way (taking close-ups with the hairs scattered, flashed pictures). All we need is to find supporters; supporters of our psychology, good or bad.

 

Now, what is the practical value of this forgivable photographic tricks? We patients always want to see just the perfect results, want to see one session of hair transplant for grade 7 hair loss covering the whole head like the artificial hairs, never wanna see usual and expected results. We do not know or consider potentials of the donor areas, racial differences, skin characteristics, psychological distresses, much more and all affecting the results of hair transplant and the results may be so variable after implantation of same number of the grafts to the same surface area even by the same physician. We want more grafts, more coverage, more density, lower hairline. So the FUT surgeons are now cutting 25-30 cm long strips extending from one temple to another to remove much more grafts to compete with the FUE surgeons (15X2 cm FUT strips give only 1500 grafts on average, 1200-2000 range), and FUE surgeons are going to use other body hairs, although they know body hairs are generally useless, inconsistent, problematic, good for nothing but just torturing patients- just to give more and more numbers, just to fulfill the endless desires of us. (if not economical reasons by charging per graft:)))

 

 

We all know, any hair transplant operation may produce dissatisfied patient, depending so many variables among the characteristics of the patients. Even the best HT surgeons have occasionally unsatisfying results, the surgeon is the same, so why do the results change?? Still, why do physicians need to use this advertorial tricks and avoid to give some occasional modest results??

 

Providing only the perfect, wonderful, amazing, shocking, incredible, unbelievable results, and applying some photographic tricks increase the expectations of the patients and may create unrealistic demands. The physicians should promote themselves, but doing in this way, they shoot themselves in the foot as well. Physicians create patients who are much more demanding and have unrealistic expectations about the results, and when patients get honest, modest, usual, ordinary or unexceptional results, they get disappointed and shocked, feel much more distress, this may even causes retardation of hair growth. Impressive, wow results fill this network, where are the others? In other forums?? So, Why??

 

 

Amazing review, incredibly helpful and explains a lot. One question, though. What are those infamous marketing tactics?

[californian]

Amazing review, incredibly helpful and explains a lot. One question, though. What are those infamous marketing tactics?

 

Infamous marketing tactics.. The methods that are employed by physicians to get more customers or more commonly trying to make more money from less patients...

 

- PRP and Mesotherapy (and other so-called mesotherapy gimmicks)

 

- any naming other than FUT, manuel FUE, and MicroFUE (micromotor FUE) (strip is another name for FUT)

 

- 2-3 days of consecutive surgery

 

- so-called robotic surgery

 

- guarantee papers - actually any kind of guarantee words

 

- implanting body hairs

 

- stem-cell hair transplant, anything about stem cells

 

- all kind of vitamins shampoos, compounds that assert better hair growth (except propecia and minoxidil)

 

- asserting new hair growth over donor areas

 

- stupid marketing campaigns (refer a friend and get cashback. This is health, they are not selling an iPhone to you)

 

- many more and so it goes............

 

Hair transplant is a treatment from physicians, anything applies to surgeries applies to HT surgeries as well, however it is practically turning out to be like a marketing business from business people instead of doctors..

[Headon]

Just like any business, hair-transplant industry also compete against each other so this is common and expected in ANY competitive environment. Its up to the person to do research and pick the right person/team.

[BUSA]

"and FUE surgeons are going to use other body hairs, although they know body hairs are generally useless, inconsistent, problematic, good for nothing but just torturing patients- just to give more and more numbers, just to fulfill the endless desires of us. (if not economical reasons by charging per graft))"

 

you shud stop posting such nonsense cause you really are clueless when it comes to hair transplants smh. body hairs have been implanted into thousands with great success. if you knew the growth time of body hair u wud know its stages of growth are different that that of the head so it takes longer to grow but it grows just fine and often takes on the characteristics of head hair once transplanted there.

 

so enough with the nonsense about body hair being marketing tactics. get a clue!!!!!

 

PRP actually works and helps greatly. u shud really do some research before u post.

 

 

Infamous marketing tactics.. The methods that are employed by physicians to get more customers or more commonly trying to make more money from less patients...

 

- PRP and Mesotherapy (and other so-called mesotherapy gimmicks)

 

- any naming other than FUT, manuel FUE, and MicroFUE (micromotor FUE) (strip is another name for FUT)

 

- 2-3 days of consecutive surgery

 

- so-called robotic surgery

 

- guarantee papers - actually any kind of guarantee words

 

- implanting body hairs

 

- stem-cell hair transplant, anything about stem cells

 

- all kind of vitamins shampoos, compounds that assert better hair growth (except propecia and minoxidil)

 

- asserting new hair growth over donor areas

 

- stupid marketing campaigns (refer a friend and get cashback. This is health, they are not selling an iPhone to you)

 

- many more and so it goes............

 

Hair transplant is a treatment from physicians, anything applies to surgeries applies to HT surgeries as well, however it is practically turning out to be like a marketing business from business people instead of doctors..

[californian]

so enough with the nonsense about body hair being marketing tactics. get a clue!!!!!

 

PRP actually works and helps greatly. u shud really do some research before u post.

 

I see that you accepted the other advertorial tricks, but you don't agree on the body hairs and PRP. Let's see..

 

I think that PRP is %100 gimmick and scam. Body HT is around %80 fraud and it is economically helpful for the physicians. (There may be very rare but forgivable use of body HT)

 

Now, tell me your ideas about body HT. Please show me a few examples from this forum in which body hairs were used and results were successful.

 

See: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/170774-4200-fue-dr-villnow-800-body-hair.html This is a really good example to justify for BHT. But, why was the patient was gone after his very eager start. Maybe he killed his surgeon before committing suicide ) Please do not bring unproved, false and unfinished results like this. I keep my rights to harshly criticize.

 

I am searching for PRP now. We will discuss. But David - the moderator censors the threads if the thread has gone off topic. This is advertorial thread of Dr. Koray, we should respect his rights. We need to move. I will arrange and invite you. Just let me know if you are in pursuance of truth or wanna continue to live in your Matrix..

[BUSA]

lol beard hairs are used all the time and grow similar to head hairs. hair is hair. yes some body hairs will live in the anagen cycle for a very long time. especially the legs hair, therefore the end result will take much longer to see.

 

u can think whatever u want the fact is many top HT surgeons around the world hav been using body hair for many years now.

 

I guess u think Dr. Maras is a scam artist too huh? cause he is one of the best at extracting facial hair with virtually zero evidence of its removal. I'm sure he does that for fun right cause none of his patients benefit from it which is why he continues to do it....:rolleyes:

 

I see that you accepted the other advertorial tricks, but you don't agree on the body hairs and PRP. Let's see..

 

I think that PRP is %100 gimmick and scam. Body HT is around %80 fraud and it is economically helpful for the physicians. (There may be very rare but forgivable use of body HT)

 

Now, tell me your ideas about body HT. Please show me a few examples from this forum in which body hairs were used and results were successful.

 

See: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/170774-4200-fue-dr-villnow-800-body-hair.html This is a really good example to justify for BHT. But, why was the patient was gone after his very eager start. Maybe he killed his surgeon before committing suicide ) Please do not bring unproved, false and unfinished results like this. I keep my rights to harshly criticize.

 

I am searching for PRP now. We will discuss. But David - the moderator censors the threads if the thread has gone off topic. This is advertorial thread of Dr. Koray, we should respect his rights. We need to move. I will arrange and invite you. Just let me know if you are in pursuance of truth or wanna continue to live in your Matrix..

[KO]

 

Given that all physicians have a right to promote themselves, should we accuse the physicians who use some kind of photographic tricks in their sample pictures? Should they be blamed of showing us only the perfect results and adding some manipulations in pictures. Absolutely not, we have no rights to do this, just because even we, the patients who post the results do the same, intentionally, or unintentionally. Patients who are satisfied with the transplant, glad with his physicians use the same tricks in a positive way. Patients who have some problems with their physicians use it in the negative way (taking close-ups with the hairs scattered, flashed pictures). All we need is to find supporters; supporters of our psychology, good or bad.

 

 

 

 

This is utter and total horses**t. We as patients deserve to be shown accurate representations of results, with no exceptions.That surgeons want to promote themselves is not our problem, we are concerned with what is best for the the patient.

 

David - I see that you praise the result, which is fine, but why don't you comment on the representation?

[californian]

This is utter and total horses**t. We as patients deserve to be shown accurate representations of results, with no exceptions.That surgeons want to promote themselves is not our problem, we are concerned with what is best for the the patient.

 

David - I see that you praise the result, which is fine, but why don't you comment on the representation?

 

That's it. Thanks a lot, dude. I was patiently waiting for someone to show up and say something, i.e question the morality of this marketing tactics. I totally agree with you.

 

If this "Hair Restoration Network" is really created by and for patients, this should be reminded to physicians. That's why I am here, you and even BUSA should be here. ( or the name of the network would be "Network for Promoting HT Physicians" )

 

The question that should be asked: Why does this clinic still use these photography tricks in its representations?

 

Then, we have to ask the same question the other physicians, as well. No one is privileged. NO EXCEPTIONS.

[californian]

lol beard hairs are used all the time and grow similar to head hairs. hair is hair. yes some body hairs will live in the anagen cycle for a very long time. especially the legs hair, therefore the end result will take much longer to see.

 

u can think whatever u want the fact is many top HT surgeons around the world hav been using body hair for many years now.

 

I guess u think Dr. Maras is a scam artist too huh? cause he is one of the best at extracting facial hair with virtually zero evidence of its removal. I'm sure he does that for fun right cause none of his patients benefit from it which is why he continues to do it....:rolleyes:

 

I do not know now who Dr. Maras is. Show me 1 or 2 threads from his/her or from his/her patients that proved BHT, then I will make some comments on them. No exceptions.

 

Here is very accurate and smart comment from a wise man Car5. Here is reality for you to open your eyes, in pursuance of truth.

 

The originator of FUE, the granddaddy of FUE, and the original BHT guy, the unmentionable doc famously said this of BHT,

"What you see is what you get"

In other words, the characteristics of body hair don't change once replanted on the head. Now there had been some discussion that body hair grew longer on the head, and I can't recall, but that doctor may have even contributed to that assumption, but finally anyway, he said it doesn't happen.

 

 

You said there are thousand of examples for body hairs. Show me one.

[ASMEDMANUALFUE]

End results look great, but to echo what others have said, the wet messed up hair before pics make it hard to tell for sure. This clinic does great work they should really present their work better!!

 

 

Hello, thanks for the positive comment. We just want to specify that the result pictures were taken and published both with wet and dry hair for a better comparison. If you look well, you will see they are proposed them in both ways.

 

About the before pictures with wet hair, we want to specify they initially were technical pictures for internal use and the hair was wetted in order to see better into the patient's hair loss. Now, we are always taking the before pictures and their result under both conditions (wet hair and dry hair) in order to avoid any confusion.

 

 

ASMED Dr Koray Erdogan

[ASMEDMANUALFUE]

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ASMED SURGICAL MEDICAL CENTER

 

DR KORAY ERDOGAN

 

 

 

 

 

OPERATION DETAILS OF THE SECOND SURGERY:

2002 grafts FUE extracted by manual punch, diameter 0.7 mm.

 

Incisions executed by: custom made blades, lateral slit

 

* 349 single grafts

* 1314 double grafts

* 323 triple grafts

* 16 multiple grafts

 

* General average Hair per Graft: 2.00

 

 

- GRAFTS DISTRIBUTION: 2002 grafts were used for thickening of the patient's mid scalp area.

 

- FINASTERIDE: The patient has started to use finasteride along with the first surgery and still using it.

 

* Please note that the "RESULT" pictures were sent by the patient.

 

 

 

 




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[Yaz89]

Wow, wow, wow! Simpy amazing. The second surgery has really benefited for him. If my second surgery turns out like this, I will be one happy puppy! See you in April!

[thatoldchestnut]

I would probably go for another 2k grafts in the frontal half to boost density. Not bad, this is just a two procedure patient imo.

 

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.