Dr.Bhatti and Hairlines !

[augustya]

Ok, so as of now. I have undeterred plans of doing my HT with Dr. Bhatti but what is making me nervous about my decision is when I see some heavy criticism here about Bhatti's Hairline being horrible, especially from members like "FUEONLY" so if he can chip in here aswell, I have gone through some of his earlier thread and he is like a big, big critic of Dr. Bhatti's hairline so I would really like to know this from him and also others that what is it that is so horrible wrong about Dr. Bhatti's hairline his hairline for sure don't look pluggy so what else can be done better with his hairline.

 

Come to think about it, I was wondering what can go wrong with a hairline, what else can you do with a hairline. Once your HT Doctor has drawn a line with a marker in consultation with you, then it is purely about implementing modern techniques of HT that is follow a Zig-Zag method of implanting hair, use Single hair graft on fine texture to create a hairline, so if you have done all this what else can possibly go wrong is what I am trying to find out, only what can go wrong according to me is either you draw it bad, make it too low, or do a pluggy hairline with more then single hair graft and with coarse hair.

 

I don't think after you have drawn a line with a marker, how that line touches your temple and peak and from there what angle does it take all that matters is because you have already drawn a hairline with marker to work upon isn't it ? Any inputs ? Suggestions ?

[RNZ]

[Edit: Edited for clarity of meaning, and photos added with drawings to demonstrate]

 

This is my opinion as a Dr. Bhatti patient 4 months ago:

 

I am a "Dr. Bhatti hairline clone" (that's what I'm calling it). I'm at nearly month 4, the hair is starting to fill in, and I am very happy with the hairline and result so far. Before I continue I want to clarify that point that I am very happy with the result so far.

 

To continue...

 

I have noticed that Dr. Bhatti suggests virtually the same hairline to every guy with small degrees of difference, so I suggest that you look at the hairlines that the guys have had done, and if you don't like that then you'd be best to search elsewhere, because that is what you will get, with a degree of allowance to have it a bit higher or lower and be either asymmetrical or symmetrical. It will come down to a point/tip in the middle [edit: I have since found that it's called a widow's peak, see point A in photograph at the bottom of this post], and have two high points above the temples like it is slightly receding [edit see points B and C in the photograph] for a mature hairline. Sorry, not sure of the technical jargon here.

 

I actually negotiated the receding points [edit: ie. points B and C in the photograph] to be 2mm lower than he originally drew in, so mine is more flat across than most of the Dr. Bhatti hairlines you will see, and I'm glad that I did.

 

He will draw the hairline on early in the piece to estimate how many follicles you will need, and then again before surgery. Be prepared to negotiate hard for exactly what you want at this point. My suggestion is that you really have a good idea what you want when you go in. I found him to be a person who has his opinions very set on what will look right, and expects most people to concede to his expertise about what would look good on them. I actually had to negotiate/argue with him about a few things, and I eventually got my way - the client is always right in my mind. Be prepare to negotiate your case, and then to renegotiate it again later if you need to. I found that I had to.

 

One other point: He will likely say that the hairline needs to be asymmetrical to look realistic (see photo #2) [edit: specifically he wanted to have point C in the photograph to be 2 mm higher than point B, thus being asymmetrical]. If you don't want that, and I didn't, then be prepared to strongly state your case. "No I will not have one side [edit: referring to points B & C] be 2mm higher than the other one", "No I will not have it be 1mm higher than the other one". I am so glad that I got exactly what I wanted in this regard.

 

As for what can go wrong with a hairline: while I was in India I met somebody else who had had a Dr. Bhatti hairline and he was unhappy with the result. He was there for a second go at it and just wanted a flat across the top look, without the tip/point in the middle [edit: it is called a widow's peak, see point A in photograph], and the two slightly receded points [edit: B and C in the photograph], and he had to negotiate/argue with Dr. Bhatti for a long time, and basically sign an agreement that said that he was doing it against Dr. Bhatti's advice. He had brought pictures to demonstrate that a straight across hairline is quite common but Dr. Bhatti would not have a bar of it. In the end I think they got something in between what they both wanted. I never found out what the end result was though. This person said that if necessary he could remove some of the shape through permanent hair removal. He asked me my opinion and I said that it's for the rest of his life, so yeah he should have it how he wanted it. (I was secretly very happy that I argued with Dr. Bhatti as much as I did to get exactly what I wanted after listening to him).

 

Edit: While in India I met a woman who was getting her hair done as well, and Dr. Bhatti suggested what seems to be a similar hairline for her too with the widows peak added to her.

 

I hope that that answers at least part of your question(s).

 

Edit: See photo below the Dr. Bhatti hairline example and recommendation for asymmetrical hairline. See 4 posts below for all photos.

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Edited September 25, 2013 by RNZ

[augustya]

It will come down to a point in the middle, and have two high points above the temples like it is slightly receding. Sorry, not sure of the technical jargon here.

 

 

No idea Mate what are you talking about ? :rolleyes: perhaps need illustration to be able to understand better...

 

I actually negotiated the receding points to be 2mm lower, so mine is more flat across than most of the Bhatti hairlines you will see, and I'm glad that I did.

 

 

Would love to understand this, but again without pictures or illustration it is becoming difficult to comprehend what you mean here...Can you draw this on a piece of paper and upload it here.

 

One other point: He will say that the hairline needs to be asymmetrical to look realistic. If you don't want that, and I didn't, then be prepared to argue with him for 5 or more minutes. "No I will not have one temple 2 mm higher than the other one", "No I will not have it 1 mm higher than the other one". I am so glad that I got exactly what I wanted in this regard.

 

 

Man I need to know this what is it when you say one temple 2 MM higher and 1 MM higher

 

 

As for what can go wrong with a hairline: while I was in India I met somebody else who had had a Bhatti hairline and it didn't suit him for some reason. He was there for a second go at it and just wanted a flat across the top look, without the point in the middle, and the two slightly receded points, and had to negotiate/argue with Bhatti for a long time, and basically sign an agreement that said that he was doing it against Bhatti's advice. He had brought pictures to demonstrate that a straight across hairline is quite common but Bhatti would not have a bar of it. I never found out what the end result was though. This person said that if necessary he could remove some of it through permanent hair removal. He asked me my opinion and I said that it's for the rest of his life, so damn right he should have it how he wanted it. (I was secretly very happy that I argued with Bhatti as much as I did to get exactly what I wanted after that).

 

 

 

 

What did you personally think, did he have a proper hairline in the first instance when he got his HT Done in the first attempt with Dr.Bhatti and when he was asking you how his HT had been done.

Edited September 23, 2013 by augustya

[Raj Jayukdht]

RNZ can you please show us your hairline photos

[augustya]

RNZ can you please show us your hairline photos

 

Yep that would be nice.

[RNZ]

Hey, sorry about my inability to be clear about my meaning previously. Hopefully with the photos in the first post it will make more sense now. Try re-reading it [with the edits] referring to the photos at the bottom of the post.

 

Here are hairline photos that were requsted + a couple more chucked in:

 

Photo #1: Pre op photo.

Photo #2: Front on hairline 2 weeks post surgery. Whole head shaved to about 3mm. This demonstrates the hairline you should expect.

Photo #3: Same photo with lines drawn in to emphasize how Dr. Bhatti does his hairlines. Sort on a shallow "M" shaped hairline.

Photo #4: Side on - 2 1/2 weeks post op, and already starting to shed.

Photo #5: Side on with lines to emplasize the hairline which includes the reconstructed temple points.

Photo #6: Taken today while driving in the car for the purpose of uploading today. 4 months post op. Head shaved to 9mm. I wear it out at work now, but gotta beware having lights above me (see next photo).

Photo #7: Taken last night under the light which demonstrates that it looks like it's thinning under light. At month 4 it should be about 25% of the end result, so I should be able to look forward to it thickening and filling out a lot more.

 

Photo #8: example of a flat across hairline - you will not be able to get this from Dr. Bhatti.

Photo #9: example of a rounded across hairline - you might be able to get this. I have seen a couple Dr. Bhatti patients with this result. If you want this ask for it specifically, because it is rare that he does these.

Photo #10: example of an M-shaped hairline - this is Dr. Bhatti's specialty.

 

What did you personally think, did he have a proper hairline in the first instance when he got his HT Done in the first attempt with Dr.Bhatti and when he was asking you how his HT had been done.

I can't remember it looking great. The guy's forehead perhaps wasn't wide enough post hair transplant. Basically there wasn't enough width of forehead showing. He didn't like it. It looked bearable to me, but perhaps didn't suit his head shape. It was eerie looking at almost exactly the same hairline that I had - on another person, but it didn't suit him, whereas it seemed to suit me well.

 

PS fueonly has probably noticed the distinctive shape of Dr. Bhatti's hairlines, but personally I've found that it was right for me.

 

PPS now that I've clarified my meaning try checking out the other Dr. Bhatti hairlines (I won't mention names) and you will see the same trend, usually a prominent widow's peak tip [point A in pictures in first post], and varying degrees of what would emulate mature hairline recession [points B and C]. In fact my M-shape hairline is quite shallow (not receded) in comparison to most other patients.

 

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Edited September 25, 2013 by RNZ

[augustya]

Hey, sorry about my inability to be clear about my meaning previously. Hopefully with the photos in the first post it will make more sense now. Try re-reading it [with the edits] referring to the photos at the bottom of the post.

 

Here are hairline photos that were requsted + a couple more chucked in:

 

Photo #1: Pre op photo.

Photo #2: Front on hairline 2 weeks post surgery. Whole head shaved to about 3mm. This demonstrates the hairline you should expect.

Photo #3: Same photo with lines drawn in to emphasize how Dr. Bhatti does his hairlines. Sort on a shallow "M" shaped hairline.

Photo #4: Side on - 2 1/2 weeks post op, and already starting to shed.

Photo #5: Side on with lines to emplasize the hairline which includes the reconstructed temple points.

Photo #6: Taken today while driving in the car for the purpose of uploading today. 4 months post op. Head shaved to 9mm. I wear it out at work now, but gotta beware having lights above me (see next photo).

Photo #7: Taken last night under the light which demonstrates that it looks like it's thinning under light. At month 4 it should be about 25% of the end result, so I should be able to look forward to it thickening and filling out a lot more.

 

Photo #8: example of a flat across hairline - you will not be able to get this from Dr. Bhatti.

Photo #9: example of a rounded across hairline - you might be able to get this. I have seen a couple Dr. Bhatti patients with this result. If you want this ask for it specifically, because it is rare that he does these.

Photo #10: example of an M-shaped hairline - this is Dr. Bhatti's specialty.

 

 

I can't remember it looking great. The guy's forehead perhaps wasn't wide enough post hair transplant. Basically there wasn't enough width of forehead showing. He didn't like it. It looked bearable to me, but perhaps didn't suit his head shape. It was eerie looking at almost exactly the same hairline that I had - on another person, but it didn't suit him, whereas it seemed to suit me well.

 

PS fueonly has probably noticed the distinctive shape of Dr. Bhatti's hairlines, but personally I've found that it was right for me.

 

PPS now that I've clarified my meaning try checking out the other Dr. Bhatti hairlines (I won't mention names) and you will see the same trend, usually a prominent widow's peak tip [point A in pictures in first post], and varying degrees of what would emulate mature hairline recession [points B and C]. In fact my M-shape hairline is quite shallow (not receded) in comparison to most other patients.

 

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Ok, now I get it what you meant earlier. yes, a sharp widows peak, triangle at the temple points, a hairline which looks like a "M" looks like a patented hairline with Dr. Bhatti even in my consultation with Him, he suggested me the same hairline. But I thought it was a blessing in disguise for me because even I was kinda looking out for the same kinda hairline. It works out well for me, because even right now my current hairline is very close to what Dr.Bhatti was proposing me, Infact I felt really excited when he suggested me this, as I felt we connected on the same point. But it is one thing to just describe a hairline verbally or draw it with a marker as a line on your head, but at the end how do you actually make and execute it with a HT is a different ball game. I am a little nervous about all this, it doesn't matter what anyone says, I know my only concern is lowering my Hairline I don't have a bald patch or a bald crown it is just that I have a very big forehead giving a impression of a receding hairline so I just wanna lower my hairline and so a neat and critically executed hairline is very very important thing, infact that I the only thing I am looking out for. But I am anxious what if it turns out to be a bizarre looking one, I don't know how do I convince myself and push myself for this..:eek:

[RNZ]

If that's what your hairline looks like anyway, then I'd say that it's a good sign that it should look natural. Having said that mine was straight across when I was young, and imo the M shape Dr. Bhatti did actually looks better than the natural hairline I had when I was young.

 

I take it that you don't need your temple points reconstructed as well then?

 

Out of curiousity I would like to know how many follicles he recommends to lower your hairline?

 

Other than that I'd say that you're golden, especially if you're in agreement with Dr. Bhatti at this point. Get it packed in tightly, and be certain what shape you want, and don't compromise (because the whole experience is quite overwhelming) when you get there.

 

Also make sure you stay on at least a few days after transplant. I would have been very freaked out about getting bumped and losing grafts if I had to be on a crowded plane the next day. The first 2 days are the riskiest, in particular the first day. I got a little bump on my hat going back to the hotel after surgery, and a few popped right out, and blood was everywhere. Not fun.

 

It could be one of the most intense, anxiety provoking, but ultimately satisfying experiences you will ever have. Although, there's no need to rush into it until you're ready.

Edited September 26, 2013 by RNZ

[Silent1234]

@ RNZ

 

I had a similar experience to you and had to negotiate hard for a custom hairline. Dr Bhatti drew a standard hairline on my head and was insistent on how it should look. I politely negotiated and showed him pictures of how it used to look when I was younger and we met somewhere in the middle. It wasn't easy as he's a tough one to convince, I just simple explained that I will be living with this for the rest of my life. My hairline and temples are still a little off and I'm in talks with another clinic at the minute about tweaking everything after my current transplant has matured.

 

Personally I think Dr Bhatti is a good choice for simple in fill all over your head and accepting a standard hairline how he draws it. If you would like a more personal transplant though I think it's best to shop elsewhere.

 

My 2 cents

[augustya]

 

I take it that you don't need your temple points reconstructed as well then?

 

 

I am in two minds about this, I do want to make it pronounced and define it more clearly, But I may not pack it with the number of grafs Dr.Bhatti has suggested. I would like to give it a touch-up kind of work so as to just marginally make it more pronounced but not make it look dense, it will look super artificial in my opinion.

 

Out of curiousity I would like to know how many follicles he recommends to lower your hairline?

 

 

 

1500-1800 Grafts.

[fueonly]

dr bhatti has to learn and he has potential to do better. i think dr bhatti has to post some recent pic of his hairline skilled work

now dr bhatti s only hitch which is hairline has to be tackled

i dont like dr bhattis any of the hairline he gave till date its my opinion

this being said i will also say he is the cheapppppppppppppppessssssssssssssssstttttttttttttt

fur surgeon on this planet

[augustya]

dr bhatti has to learn and he has potential to do better. i think dr bhatti has to post some recent pic of his hairline skilled work

now dr bhatti s only hitch which is hairline has to be tackled

i dont like dr bhattis any of the hairline he gave till date its my opinion

this being said i will also say he is the cheapppppppppppppppessssssssssssssssstttttttttttttt

fur surgeon on this planet

 

 

ok, I have gone through all your earlier threads where you have gone on and on saying about you don't like Dr.Bhatti's hairline, but in none of the posts you have mentioned what is it that is bothering you so much about Dr.Bhatti's hairline and what is it that you would like to see him change or do. Being a critic is fine but you should also know for what reasons do you not like him just saying all his hairlines are bad, bad and eternally bad how does it help mate ? If you have any creative suggestions let it come out here !!

[RNZ]

Well put augustya.

 

I have also seen his statements, and they all come off pretty much like that one above, lacking grammar, incomprehensible, attacking, but no facts of details to back them up. Seems like trolling.

Edited September 29, 2013 by RNZ

[Raj Jayukdht]

I have spoken to dr bhatti about his hairline and mentioned to him about this thread (topic)...he gave me a good answer and I was happy with his statement. Im not going to post here what he said as this may kick off another discussion.

 

If any of you guys need to know about dr bhatti hairline, than I say please contact him yrself......like I did.

[augustya]

I have spoken to dr bhatti about his hairline and mentioned to him about this thread (topic)...he gave me a good answer and I was happy with his statement. Im not going to post here what he said as this may kick off another discussion.

 

If any of you guys need to know about dr bhatti hairline, than I say please contact him yrself......like I did.

 

Was this really required ?? I mean you calling Dr.Bhatti and telling this to him that someone has started a thread like this !! That was being a little over smart in my humble opinion !! Really not required !!

Edited September 29, 2013 by augustya

[Raj Jayukdht]

For me its very important as Im thinking of having my HT with Dr Bhatti and to get his opinion on this matter I felt that he needed to see this topic (which he did) and from this he kindly gave me his honest answer.

 

BTW I emailed him not called him.

[augustya]

For me its very important as Im thinking of having my HT with Dr Bhatti and to get his opinion on this matter I felt that he needed to see this topic (which he did) and from this he kindly gave me his honest answer.

 

BTW I emailed him not called him.

 

So why shoot it from someone else's shoulder !!

[Raj Jayukdht]

This topic is about Dr Bhatti and hair lines....some people here are questioning Dr bhatti hairline design etc etc so I thought its best if I question it with Dr Bhatti and see what he has to say. He gave me his answer and that was that.

 

Augustya u must remember you started this thread and we are here to help each other. All Im saying if someone is questioning his hairline design, they should contact him and get his opinion.

[California]

This topic is about Dr Bhatti and hair lines....some people here are questioning Dr bhatti hairline design etc etc so I thought its best if I question it with Dr Bhatti and see what he has to say. He gave me his answer and that was that.

 

Augustya u must remember you started this thread and we are here to help each other. All Im saying if someone is questioning his hairline design, they should contact him and get his opinion.

 

Hi Jayukdht,

 

I am really glad that you emailed Dr. Bhatti directly to get your questions/concerns addressed. Folks that have dealt with Dr. Bhatti would know that he is an extremely humble and down to earth person. He is very prompt in responding to emails (personally). I don't think that there is anything wrong for a potential HT patient to contact the HT Surgeon directly with questions.

 

Bashing someone is easy.....but common courtesy demands that the "bashing claims" to be backed up with solid data, statistics and examples. There are numerous Dr. Bhatti patients on this and other online forums and I have yet to see any patient of them post anything negative about him. That in itself should speak volumes about this doctor. If the patients and happy with the HT procedure and results, it doesn't sound fair for a non-patient to constantly criticize the Surgeon based upon some unsubstantiated hypothesis.

Just my two cents.

 

Thanks,

California

[shane13]

This topic is about Dr Bhatti and hair lines....some people here are questioning Dr bhatti hairline design etc etc so I thought its best if I question it with Dr Bhatti and see what he has to say. He gave me his answer and that was that.

 

Augustya u must remember you started this thread and we are here to help each other. All Im saying if someone is questioning his hairline design, they should contact him and get his opinion.

 

I completely second that.

 

@augustya - as the owner of this thread, there is no harm in owning the concern as well.

 

@jayukdht - if possible, can you can summarize Dr. Bhatti's response? It'll benefit everyone.

[augustya]

 

Augustya u must remember you started this thread and we are here to help each other.

 

Oh Thanks for reminding me that, like I was not aware about that :rolleyes: I did not like it nor do I appreciate you going and telling Dr.Bhatti that look...look Doctor someone is complaining about you what do you have to say about it ? It will get anybody furious !!

Edited September 30, 2013 by augustya

[Raj Jayukdht]

I didnt know you was complaining about his hairline...I thought you was giving your opinion...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[augustya]

I didnt know you was complaining about his hairline...I thought you was giving your opinion...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

That still remains the fact, I wasnt complaining I was just curious to some of the critics here like "FUEONLY" who said Dr.Bhatti is not a good artist when it comes to designing hairlines. Even I am planning my HT with him. So it affects me aswell. But we are here to discuss, now for each and every point here, if you go and ask the Doctor, that look some one is talking about you like this...do you have anything to say ? It is like kids fighting in school and then going and compalining it to the Teacher or the Prinicpal that look somone is talking about you like this ! Sends a wrong message IMO.

 

And on top of that you dont want to say it here what did Dr.Bhatti tell you. That raises all the more suspicion about you !!

[Raj Jayukdht]

All I did was to mention this thread to Dr Bhatti and than I asked him to give his opinion to me.IMO I felt that he needed to see what some members are saying about him (GOOD OR BAD) so that he can give his views to me only.

 

"That raises all the more suspicion about you!!".........please explain more:D:D

Edited September 30, 2013 by jayukdht

[augustya]

All I did was to mention this thread to Dr Bhatti and than I asked him to give his opinion to me.IMO I felt that he needed to see what some members are saying about him (GOOD OR BAD) so that he can give his views to me only.

 

Again That was a foolish act IMO !

 

"That raises all the more suspicion about you!!".........please explain more:D:D

 

Yes firstly you act like a secret informer and then you do not say How Dr.Bhatti reacted on this ! It does raise some doubts in minds.