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[s2thoudriver]

Morning all. Apologies for the late reply, I’ve had a hectic weekend and after reading all the responses in here, figured it would take a little time to get through them all. So, with that in mind, I shall do my best to clarify any points highlighted and answer any questions I can….

 

Chrisdav – “Have you got any proof that he performs 2-3 surgeries in a day? “

Simple answer, no, I just pointed out that he ‘can’ perform 2-3 a day as it is less time consuming for him, or in fact any surgeon to perform multiple FUT procedures. It’s simple maths…

2000 FUE extractions performed by a surgeon = 3-4hrs, then it’s on to making the incisions and placing the grafts for the remainder.

1 x strip extraction = not 3-4hrs (wouldn’t want to quote the time as I have not had FUT), then the strip is passed to technicians for dissection.

 

TommyLucchese – “All he has said is that Dr. Feller wouldn't do 3500 FUE and that there have been examples of megasessions producing a lower yield. Where are the inaccuracies?

 

You, on the other hand, have said Dr. F only does FUT for the money and that he does 2-3 sugergies a day. And that Spex is here for a payday. Infact you said he pushes people into doing things. That's quite inaccurate and also damaging to his character.”

Firstly, I am glad your FUT with Feller has been a great success and the experience/trip was great fun ; it’s good to see his and other surgeons great results, regardless of FUE/FUT.

If you look in more detail, there are examples of low yield in both surgeries. There are also increasing numbers of FUE mega session results being posted on here that are displaying fantastic results, way above the proposed safe limit of 5,000 grafts. Therefore, suggesting FUE will produce poor yield in larger sessions and FUT should only be considered today, is false.

I had no intention of insinuating that Dr Feller only does FUT for the money and I apologise for the wording, it was a quick response on my phone whilst sat in a car dealership. The point was meant as a general one, in that any surgeon can spend less time doing FUT than doing FUE, which means they can perform other/more surgeries if they wish to.

Regarding SPEX here for a payday… well, from what I can see, it looks like he is employed by 2 surgeons on here, in which case… yes it is in his interest to bring new patients to them (we all have bills to pay!), regardless of FUT/FUE , more often than not FUT (a previous poster has highlighted that he has priced himself out of the market for FUE). My personal opinion…again, not medical..is that there is little, or no need to have FUT anymore. The latest tools and techniques are displaying stellar results in both small and large sessions.

 

SPEX –“ I am a big advocate of FUE for appropriate size surgeries and had 6 FUE surgeries personally and understand its place after a decade in the industry and meeting 100's of FUE patients from various clinics and also having 10 HT procedures myself ( 4 strip and 6 FUE ) I am only too familiar with FUE and its advantages and disadvantages. You have had 1 surgery 5 months ago and seem to think you have it all wrapped up..”

I fully appreciate all you have done and are doing for the hair loss community and your journey throughout all your procedures; it must have taken a lot of commitment, nerve and confidence to get where you are today.

Again, I have never doubted that FUT produces produce great results and that each procedure has it’s advantages and disadvantages and I’m sure a decade ago, FUT was the best option for most patients with FUE being in it’s infancy. However, from what I am seeing of late, FUE is producing as good results as FUT. With this in mind, as with everything in life, things have evolved.

Thanks for posting links to the FUE sessions that your surgeons have performed, it’s great to see. I notice they are all small sessions though. Any particular reason there are non over 1,360?

 

SPEX - “Is this your clinic below?

Cosmetic Surgeon Op. Dr. It Aydogdu - aesthetic and Plastic Surgery Specialist”

I do not have a clinic, but if you mean is this the hospital that performed my FUE, then no it isn’t. I have never heard of Dr. It Aydogdu. My FUE was performed by Dr.Eser Aydogdu. I have no idea where you pulled the Dermatch picture from with the Turkish phone number on either as the company I used who employ her are based in England, with a UK website.

I saw many before and after pictures prior to my procedure, met up with one patient in Turkey and am in contact with another patient who was there the same week as me who had 4,000 grafts. I’ll email him and ask him to send me some pictures. There are some more pictures on the website (including some of me), but I cannot post links on here.

 

SPEX – “FUE is amazing and we are so fortunate its a very viable technique in the right hands with the right philosophy and approach on the right patient.”

Can’t agree more with you here SPEX, especially the part about being in the right hands. I have seen some videos and result on the web over the years which are quite frankly scary! This leads me to my point about being on this forum…to try and show people that techniques have evolved, large FUE sessions can be done with great results. This is the whole ethos of a forum, to be able to help hair loss sufferers achieve their HT goals, in the right hands, at the right price, with minimal scarring.

 

Raphael84 – “you took somewhat of a risk going to an "unknown" Dr in Turkey whose website is only in Turkish, and you were "introduced" by a local person. I'm honestly so happy that this paid off for you. But it would not be the right journey for others. Many are far less secure than yourself, and in no way prepared to take that kind of a "risk"

I am not sure which website you are referring too. I did see an old one of hers from years ago but she stopped updating it as never had the time or the motivation to do so (she’s a surgeon, not a web developer). The website/company who employ her for international patients are based in the UK.

Correct, I was introduced to the company through a mutual friend, when discussing that ‘now, the time is right’ for me to have a procedure. Thankfully, they are local to me in Cheshire so I went to see them. They were extremely helpful, professional and after doing my research on Dr.Eser, her years of experience and attention to detail and consulting with her, it was a relatively easy decision for me to make.

So, was it risky? Not really, it is only perceived by others on here as risky as I am the first patient of theirs to come onto a forum to share my experience, but they have been performing HTs for years. Every single surgeon on here, at some point would have had their first ‘forum review’.

The sheer fact that I took this supposed ‘risk’ and have had a great experience, no complications and fantastic results, should be deemed as a success not only for me, but for forum as a whole as it allows members additional options when considering their FUE procedures. Why, for some reason, people are insistent on picking holes in my experience, to dissuade against going with the ‘new’ and sticking ‘known’, is beyond me. It should be a positive step for potential HT patients.

 

Raphael84 – “You seem to be a decent and intelligent guy and for those reasons, I'm really struggling to understand your tunnel visioned closed attitude and lack of support for people experiencing the harsh reality of hairloss, such as you have.

 

My motivation for this post, does not include an attempt to "stick up" or defend Spex. I'm sure that he is more than capable of doing that all by himself, but I doubt that he even feels that it is remotely necessary, due to the amount of people that he has personally helped without self gain (me included, who underwent a HT with Dr. Rahal by the way, not Feller), and the amount of time and knowledge that he gives to this and other forums and their members.”

My vision is not tunnelled Raphael84 and a strongly refute your comment regarding my lack of support for hair loss sufferers. I have done nothing but support people who are unhappy with their hair loss and as others do, including SPEX, offer suggestions as to how to help improve their situation. I am regularly contacted by members on here via private email regarding their current hair loss, their emotional battles and even post procedure feedback (FUT and FUE) and I give up my personal time to try and help where I can.

There is no ‘SPEX v’s Rob’ to stick up for. SPEX is a great guy who is invaluable to this community; our opinions just differ on the preferred choice for procedures (mainly on larger sessions only).

 

Mickey85 – “If someone is 41 and has minimal loss, why would he go through FUT instead of FUE? FUT is more invasive and more complications can arise like the scar stretching, permanent numbness and tingling etc.”

Agreed. From what I can see, the opinion is that FUT has better yield in large sessions. I can only presume there was some medical reason, skin type/hair type.

 

Raphael84 – “it brings nothing positive to the table, to absolutely insult that guys decision to take the FUT route, just because you only support FUE.”

I have not insulted the guy, or at least have not intended to. If I have a wholeheartedly apologise. I think I remember the case and as with Mickey85’s comment, I simply gave an option to have FUE as it is minimal hair loss as I would see no benefit of risking a FUT scar for a small number of grafts. The last thing anybody would want is for a patient to be a ‘bad scar healer’ for a small number of grafts. That said, the patient is in good hands with Dr.Feller, therefore I wish him all the best in his procedure and recovery. I’m sure he’ll be fine.

 

ChrisDav – “Just found this on youtube. Is it just me or does that look like a sales video?”

It is a sales video yes. From day 1 on here and my personal blog, I have clearly stated that I let them film me throughout the procedure so a) They can puse whatever they want in any marketing info they want to, but more Importantly, in exchange for that… b) I am allowed pictures to help me document the whole process from start to finish for people on this forum and the web to see. The reason for this is that when researching HT’s I found that there were lots of discussions and a few pictures, but then either bad results got exposed and the ones who had positive results simply disappeared into the sunset with their new, improved head of hair.

 

ChrisDav – “Rob has heavily promoted this clinic online and the video explains a great deal in my honest opinion. “

What exactly does it explain? Please clarify…

 

“I have never heard of it anywhere and I have read ALL the forums over the past 2 years.”

I thought the same, so when asked, they explained that it’s because they haven’t been promoting it and have been focusing on other areas of their business. I hadn’t heard from them either and they are based in the same town as me!

Regardless of the length of time a company has been offering procedures or marketing strategy, it’s more important to focus on the skills and experience of the surgeons they employ.

 

“It explains a lot in terms of his involvement possibly with the clinic and the way he spreads false information about other clinics and avoids direct questions.

 

I do not think it is morally right to sell a 'mickymouse clinic' to new patients”

I am under no terms on the payroll for this company, so am not ‘selling’ anything. If you send me a legally bound NDA, I will happily counter sign it and send you copies of both my P60 and bank statements, clearly showing that I am not associated with them. If I was on commission for them, I would want them to double their prices; otherwise the financial rewards for me would be negligible at their current ones!

Not sure what false information you are referring to regarding other clinics here, as I have always tried to be as honest as possible.

I might note here that you are a feller patient and by stating alternative procedures and clinics are “mickeymouse” is both false and not helpful to the community and could be construed as you trying to dissuade potential patients away from them.

The whole idea of sharing information with people on forums is to try and help then get the results they are after, so I am failing to see why I am coming under so much fire for showing that great FUE results can be achieved for larger sessions and patients can save money at the same time.

The more resistance I face, the more frustrating it becomes. To be honest, it makes no difference to me whether I contribute to this forum or not. I am one of the happy ones who could jet off into the sunset with a great new head of hair, never to be heard again. But how would this help those who are considering a procedure??

Many of the long term posters/promoters on here would love for that to happen, as I am openly sharing a positive experience which uses the latest technologies, gets the best result and is often more than 50% cheaper than others being offered. This can have a negative affect on their sales numbers and commission figures, so I understand why I receive such resistance.

However, I am here to support patients and sufferers, therefore if I can help offer a different solution, then I will continue to discuss the procedure I had and help answer any queries where I can.

Slickers – “And inferring that FUT is an outdated, archaic surgery is woefully naive and he should be rightly picked up on it”

Hi Slickers, these are not my words, they are words from surgeons, therefore not naive. Dr.Eser stopped doing FUT 4 years ago as FUE tools and techniques have improved. I was informed that the majority of HT surgeons in Turkey also no longer do FUT as there is no requirement. We have openly seen on this forum that FUE is also being used for very high numbers of grafts with great results, therefore eliminating the ‘FUT is the only option for larger sessions’ discussion also.

As with all debated and discussions, everyone has opinions. I can only voice mine based on results I have seen, people I have spoken to and information posted on here over the years.

A few years ago, I did briefly consider FUT, but decided against it. I looked at FUE but wanted to wait until it had been refined to such a level that the results were up there with the best. My personal opinion is that now, in 2012, FUE is up there with the best (in the right hands of course) and therefore the risk of a FUT scar should mean that FUT considered even less. However, some FUT patients are seeing excellent scar results, some almost undetectable, so it is down to the patient to decide.

 

Slickers - “But I'm not sure his enthusiasm for his result, the fact that he got it at a good price amount to him trying to convince everyone that all their problems will be sorted by FUE and a visit to Turkey.”

I am not trying to convince everyone at all. I am simply trying to help people get the treatment they deserve and save money in the process. That’s the whole nature of forums, to help out the community of people out there who are looking for the best service for the best price. If people choose to reep those benefits then great, but equally, If someone is happy to pay twice the price, travel twice as far for their procedure, then so be it, it’s their time, money and scalp after all.

 

Mickey85 –“I have noticed that Spex does seem to downplay FUE alot. I'm not saying he pushes people onto FUT, but in alot of cases he draws a big question mark("FUE will leave you wanting") over FUE even though many people here and elsewhere have had great success with FUE. Just my opinion on the whole thing.”

Agreed. Improved FUE processes and results should be shared and embraced, not downplayed, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here, which is a shame.

 

Mickey85 – “In regards to your question in bold, I believe that they think they just get better results from FUT and have no real reason to venture out and invest in new equipment and learn new techniques which initially will not yield as well as their FUT. Even when FUT was in its infancy the yield rate was not as high as it was now. Of course they aren't going to endanger their practice by venturing into new territory and tarnish their name by producing less than optimal results due to being unfamiliar with FUE.”

This mirrors the point above. FUE has evolved as FUT has done over the decade. Discussion forums should be used as a place to praise those surgeons who are getting the results through the latest practices and share the knowledge with others to be able to collectively offer the latest, best practices, not try and discredit pioneering results as ‘risky’, ‘lucky’, ‘mickey mouse’.

It’s like a car winning an accolade and saying “well, this new car is great, but it’s a bit risky for me to have one so I’ll take the 10yr old run out model instead”. Granted, the new model will have teething problems, but as they get ironed out over time, the old model fades into the background.

 

Chrisdav – “The video reminds me of a marketing video from an Armani campaign (though not as flashy). I dread to think how many people have been fooled by that video as on a personal level, I nearly did as I rang up the clinic before I started researching heavily.”

Trying to discredit the company I used by comparing them to a notoriously bad FUE clinic is a little out of order I’m afraid. They are in different countries, have different surgeons and far different results. Under no terms have I ever compared any FUT clinics to some of the chop houses out there. I can only presume you wrote that in a heated moment.

 

It reminds me of one of those tacky adverts you get on the side of google for cosmetic surgery,' come to eastern Europe, get highly quality cheap fue surgery, accommodation and a free holiday'.

Again, this only goes to prove that I am not in business with them as I would not have this as a marketing video (reminds me, I need to watch it!).

 

I don't think it is morally right to advocate a clinic, who has a dermatch model on the website,a clinic that is not even specialised in hair transplantation and provides a number of surgical procedures. They have never been on the radar, never investigated by leaders in the industry, no portfolio of clear, consistent pictures/videos of before and afters, and not a member of any of the most recognised hair transplant organisations where the surgeons have been carefully selected and screened. I am certain the moderators would agree on what I am stating if they would like to pass comment.

 

See my previous comment on this supposed website in question. I am not aware of that site, or where it came from, so not sure what you are looking at there. Just because they do not pay to promote their services on here, doesn’t mean they have not been in the industry.

I see this point a lot “provides a number of surgical procedures” as being seen as a concern. Personally, I would be more concerned if I was being worked on by a 40yr old surgeon who has been through medical school in their 20’s and subsequent training and had got to that age and is only qualified in performing HT’s. For me, if a surgeon is providing stunning results in multiple surgeries over decades, then I can only take my hat off to them. With regard to the private hospital doing multiple treatments… correct, it’s a 7 floor facility which has many many surgeons who specialise in certain fields of surgery, whether it is re-construction, cosmetic or non invasive. Frankly, the place is a credit to the industry. Far better than a 1 room clinic.

 

To disregard surgeons, whom a proportion of them are leaders & pioneers in the field, who have met the strict criteria to be members of this site in not just the strip procedure, but also in Fue in Western Europe and North America in favour of Turkey is wrong.

I haven’t disregarded any surgeon. Each surgeon performs what they feel gets the best results. All I have tried to do is highlight excellent FUE practices and results and… as other are doing…discussing why FUT is still the preferred choice for some surgeons, whereas others have moved on and only do FUE.

 

The clinic might be cheap, but you pay more money to get repaired, and have less hair in your donor supply to get the desired result.

ChrisDav, you are continuing to try and discredit the surgeon I used by insinuating they are cheap, therefore will perform bad surgery and patients will end up needing to be repaired. I appreciate you had FUT by Dr.Feller and am pleased for your fantastic results, but again, why not support new, successful results? I certainly need no repair.. and it was relatively cheap (but by no means the cheapest I came across in Turkey)

 

“If they want to be considered for membership, they should contact the moderators of this site and ask to present their work.”

This has been covered in other posts. I asked them about becoming a member on here and the response was that they do not need to pay internet forums to promote their work and as such would not want to become a member. Fair enough I suppose. I thought I’d ask then the question.

 

I think that has covered everything and hope it has cleared a few things up. We are all on here for the great and good of the patients, so hopefully, together we can discuss and identify the best practices to help existing and future hair loss sufferers.

 

Right, i have a day job to do now, so i will no doubt await a bombardment of responses.:rolleyes:

 

Regards

 

Rob

[s2thoudriver]

Hi SPEX

 

No problem at all.

 

That is her old site and not the company she works for now (i saw that site when i her about 7 months ago). I have no idea what the images are on there, so if she has inadvertently used an image which shows someone using Dermatch then i'm sure she wouldn't be aware of it. It was probably developed by a local web firm that just used generic images for the 'salesy' bits.

 

There are certainly non on the site i have seen.

 

She does offer other procedures as has a long CV with years of cosmetic and re-constructive surgeries. I seem to remember her mentioning she has a botox clinic as well. Makes sense as she does a lot of work on tv personalities out there and it's very popular.

 

One thing that impressed me about her was that she has worked hard in a predominantly male industry and even more so... in Muslim countries, to go against the norm and push to be a successful female surgeon in the cosmetic surgery arena. Credit to her for that!

 

She also has great morals, i asked her if she, or one of the other surgeons would perform blepharplasty and she said no, i do not need it for another 5 years. Other surgeons would have taken my cash and booked me in!

 

Regards

 

Rob

[s2thoudriver]

No worries SPEX. One thing i have found whilst researching surgeons is more often than not, their websites are pretty poor. I don't know whether this is due to handing over the design and development to others, or whether they have no interest in them.

 

I remember looking at one regarding stem cell work in HTs and it was rather shocking! Looked like it had been designed in MS Paint :eek:

 

Out of interest, i've just posted my 5 month results pics on my blog thread, would be good to get your feedback on how you think it's all going so far...

 

Regards

 

Rob

[Dublin]

Thanks for the replies folks.

 

To be honest the thread has confused things more than simplified it.

 

I am 27 with fairly aggressive hair loss and would currently be a Norwood IV A.

 

After researching it it appeared that FUT was the best option due to the number of graphs required but now it seems that FUE has advanced to a point where it is on a par with FUT for large sessions according to some sources and still disputed by others so without medical training its difficult to know what to make of all these conflicting opinions.

 

Basically if I got FUT with one of the best surgeons (Dr. Feller for arguments sake) that would reduce the risks associated with the FUT surgery and from all accounts the scar would be very small and after going to the effort and expense of getting the surgery I have no intention of shaving my head so having a small scar would be irrelevant.

[TommyLucchese]

Spend time in the other sections of the forum looking at results posted by both patients and clinics.

 

I went with Dr. Feller FUT after seeing both Dr. Feller and Spex' strip scars (tiny, barely visible), after seeing their hair in person, looking at numerous results online, reading various patient blogs and posts, and speaking to Dr. Feller in person and hearing his views on my case.

 

It is a tough one going on what people recommend here, because really none of us wants to TELL someone what to do. I went with Dr. Feller, my experience was AMAZING and my 3 and a half months results so far are looking very promising. My mum can't even find my scar when trying to find it in my hair - after only 3 months! HOWEVER, I'm not going to say you should go with him. It has to be your decision based on your own research. I'd recommend him until I'm blue in the face, but I'm no salesman, I don't want to be seen trying to tell someone where they should go.

 

You need to do your own research and consultations. The same names crop up and it seems you can't go wrong with any of the following:

 

Dr. Feller, Dr. Rahal, Hasson and Wong, Dr. Konoir, Dr. Shapiro, Dr Charles and Dr. Lindsey. Of course there are others. Plus there's the Belgian clinics but FUE was never on my radar so I haven't looked too much into them.

 

Out of the 3 you list, Dr. Feller has the best reputation and you'd have a great experience and almost certainly a great result. In my experience, the scar is really not a big deal.

 

(Just tried to simplify things for you. Otherwise I wouldn't usually be so vocative about picking a doctor, it's not the place of anyone here to tell you where to go. It's up to you)

[Mickey85]

Thanks for the replies folks.

 

To be honest the thread has confused things more than simplified it.

 

I am 27 with fairly aggressive hair loss and would currently be a Norwood IV A.

 

After researching it it appeared that FUT was the best option due to the number of graphs required but now it seems that FUE has advanced to a point where it is on a par with FUT for large sessions according to some sources and still disputed by others so without medical training its difficult to know what to make of all these conflicting opinions.

 

Basically if I got FUT with one of the best surgeons (Dr. Feller for arguments sake) that would reduce the risks associated with the FUT surgery and from all accounts the scar would be very small and after going to the effort and expense of getting the surgery I have no intention of shaving my head so having a small scar would be irrelevant.

 

Depending on how many grafts you need, you may need 2 FUE sessions which can be a burden. No way around that as many surgeons have a 3,000 graft cap per session via FUE, some have even less.

 

You may say have a small scar would be irrelevant now, but you do not truly know until you get one. Who is to say it will be a small scar? No Doctor can guarantee you those 1mm 'pencil' thin scars that you see in the brochures or on the websites. If you can get it in writing, I will pay for your surgery. Put it this way, I have only seen 2 patients complaining about how FUE scarring has altered their lives dramatically(they complained about not being able to shave down under a grade 2, they had enough of HTs and just wanted to shave it all) where I have seen MANY MORE people have their lives ruined because the FUT scar was FAR from the 1-2mm that they were shown. Think about that for a while. How many people go in to FUE hair into a wide strip scar or have SMP(tattoo) performed to try camouflage the scar? Or have it revised only to have it revert back to it's former state or stretch even more? With FUE, all these are rendered void because scar stretching is not a factor. Sure the yield probably won't be as good, I would gladly take 10% less yield and have thousands of tiny white dots as opposed to an unpredictable linear scar with 95% yield.

 

In the end though, it is up to you. You may very well get a 1mm scar, but do you really want to gamble it?

[Dublin]

If I did go down the FUE route Dr. Feller at the prices would not be an option but I could get his FUT procedure. I will have a closer look at the Belgium doctors.

 

I am looking to cap the expense at €14,000 all in which would cover FUT with Dr. Feller so as he is undisputed as one of the top surgeons worldwide I will be using his FUT procedure as the baseline when evaluating other surgeons from a FUE perspective.

[HARIRI]

The downside of Dr. Feller is his FUE price rate which I find expensive around $10 per graft disregard how many grafts. While other surgeons like Feriduni and Bisanga charge EURO 5 ($ 6.4) for the first 1000 grafts then goes down to EURO 3 ($ 3.8) for the rest.

[beardywierdy]

Dublin

Why not post pictures of your situation. It will give people an idea of where you are in terms of your hairloss.

If i were you, I would get a few consults and meet patients and doctors, then make an informed decision. I know Feriduni is coming to the UK in December and Devroye plans to, too at some point.

Do your research

[Dublin]

I will put up some photos to get opinions.

 

The quality is fairly poor so I will put up higher resolution photos later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TommyLucchese]

Hasson and Wong would be the place for you

[Dublin]

I have considered H&W and they seem to be achieving incredible results for large graft numbers with their lateral slit technique and dense packing.

 

I looked at their website and the show 119 before and after transplant photos which look on a par with the best photo results I have seen.

 

I will definitely look into H&W a bit closer as you can see from my photos above I am going to need a large number of grafts.

 

I came across this photo of the scar on another forum from a H&W transplant which seems to be fine once the hair grows out.

 

[Cant decide]

In reference to Spex last comment, I know many people are not canidates for HT. However, I look at the famous Bobman case of HW and in my opinion, as long as someone has a good donor area that has say 8000 grafts, extent of loss should not be a huge factor in terms of if someone is a canidate. With 8000 grafts, most NW 6 and 7 should be able to see a nice improvement.

 

Again, donor quality is the most important factor and its hard to determine based on pics alone.

[Dublin]

Is there a general consensus on what would be the maximum recommended number of FUE grafts before FUT becomes definitely the best option?

 

Thanks.

[Cant decide]

No consensus but I would say if you are likely going to need more than 4000 lifetime grafts, then FUE is not the best option. For one, its more expensive and #2, when you need allot of grafts, you need a maximum lifetime harvest and you cant afford a lower than optimal yield either. I know FUE has come a long way and in many cases it matches FUT yield but on balance, FUT provides a more consistent and better yield.

[s2thoudriver]

5,000 is what i have been told for the safe limit for a single day FUE session, with a 8-12 month break between the initial session and second.

 

FUE/FUT yield argument is old now. I won't go into the FUT/FUE debate as it's well covered on here by both FUT and FUE supporters.

[chrisdav]

S2thoudriver, have you been told by the same surgeons who are not members of ISHRS and from a country that has never been at the forefront of any of the advances in cutting edge technology in the world over hundreds of years, and is now all of a sudden the world leader in FUE.

 

Where is the documentation of the large FUE 5000 sessions? I cannot find any clinic that has the transparency & documentation of a clinic such as Hasson & Wong, who do perform sessions of this size regularly with consistent success under strong lighting using high definition equipment, with a large number of online patients and testimonials.

 

You only have to look at 5 patients on here whom have had larger FUE sessions of around 3000 grafts on here:

 

SugarHighs & Sean- Both Rahal patients and unhappy, lower yield and not replying to emails.

MPBsucks,Jazzy and England- All Feriduni patients MPBsucks yield was less than expected, Jazzy does not reply to emails & England looks to have had a good result

 

For the record I think both of these surgeons are excellent and would recommend them, but I think a success rate of 1/5 is not acceptable to advocate, when these are two of the so called 'FUE surgeons'.

 

I am not saying it cannot be done but there is a difference between achieving a great result, and achieving great results consistently that are well documented.

[s2thoudriver]

chrisdav - just do a search on here, there are many large FUE sessions being displayed

[chrisdav]

Can you link me to all the recent successful mega surgeries?

[s2thoudriver]

No chrisdav, i am not going to waste my time picking out success/failure stories for you when you can simply do a search, that's what the search facility is for.

 

Yes again, you are on a FUE bashing and pro FUT quest. As previously stated, i am thrilled you have had a great FUT experience with Feller but constantly discounting anything other than this surgeon or procedure is getting a little boring. (see previous responses to your posts).

 

There are good and bad examples of both FUT and FUE, for small and mega sessions. Grab yourself a coffee and use the search facility, both on here and on other forums.

 

Enjoy the reading.

[chrisdav]

"No chrisdav, i am not going to waste my time picking out success/failure stories for you when you can simply do a search, that's what the search facility is for."

 

The reason why you will not is because they do not exist, and you have not got any evidence to support a valid argument.

 

"Yes again, you are on a FUE bashing and pro FUT quest. As previously stated, i am thrilled you have had a great FUT experience with Feller but constantly discounting anything other than this surgeon or procedure is getting a little boring. (see previous responses to your posts)."

 

If you read all my posts which you are more than welcome to, you will see that I comment on all of the surgeons work FUE & FUT, and I don't favour any surgeon above another. Even my private emails( which I would give the moderators permission to post if necessary) will also reinforce this statement.

 

I have read that post, and you have avoided most of the main core questions as you are again.

 

Firstly I don't tolerate people who talk with their blinkers on whom see all the positives, and yet none of the negatives as I have been a victim personally and secondly, statements have less substance from someone whom has been on here 5 months who thinks he knows it all against industry experts whom have been around far longer.

[HARIRI]

I strongly agree with what "chrisdav" said. He makes a lot of sense.

[Mickey85]

Can you link me to all the recent successful mega surgeries?

 

Chrisdav, type in 'injerto capilar' into Youtube and you will see over 100 successful mega-FUE sessions. I can't link you because that Doctor(Lorenzo) is not a Coalition Doctor here but I think it settles a point pretty well.

[chrisdav]

Mickey, not all of those results shown are all done on one day. The sessions have been spaced out over longer periods of time.

 

Additionally, I remember Jotronic talking about spanish patients have arguably the best hair characteristics for transplantation. I know H&W have met up with Lorenzo as it states on their website

 

Maybe Jotronic can comment.

[s2thoudriver]

oh lord chrisdav, just did a 5 min search and here are a few (though admit i haven't laboriously read through them as i have a day job to do)...

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/167955-update-14-000-fue-ugrafts-body-hair-transplant%97dr-umar.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/165487-5000-'>http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/165487-5000-fue-dr-de-reys.html'>http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/165487-5000-fue-dr-de-reys.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/165574-4-000-fue-dr-bisanga.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/165487-5000-fue-dr-de-reys.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/162401-my-fue-dr-rahal-3000-grafts-large-procedure.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/164254-3066-fue-prohairclinic-belgium-14th-15th-oct-2011-a.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/168181-3200-grafts-dr-hakan-doganay.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/168070-fue-performed-dr-feriduni-%96-3112-fu-2-successive-days-session.html

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/167715-12-500-ugrafts-fue-hair-transplant-repair%97dr-umar.html

 

Not to mention my 2,800 FUE, the other patients fantastic results of 4,000 FUE from the same clinic.

 

In regard to your other comment, you are entitled to your opinion (based on a failed procedure) as am i (on a successful one) but is not up to you whether you can 'tolerate me' or not. It is an open forum therefore everyone can have an opinion.

 

I don't claim to know everything about the whole industry at all, but what i do know is what is good and what isn't. If there are cheaper, better alternatives available out there, then they should be shared with the forum.

 

Which questions have i not answered? I spent a lot of time explicitly answering many questions (quite a few from you) earlier in this post. I'll do my best to answer them (though as you say, i am only a novice ;-)

 

Rob