Senior Member Jotronic Posted November 30, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) For years I've seen patients of various clinics post their immediate post-operative photos to document their experience. This is obviously a good thing as many others can learn from this documentation. Usually, when one posts an image of their recipient sites, fresh after surgery, there will be at least one or two comments about how "dense" the placement looks even if the recipient area is relatively large and a modest amount of graft work was performed. Fast forward several months and the patient or others that have been tracking the progress of the patient come back only to say that the result is not as dense as hoped so obviously some of the grafts didn't take. One possible reason for this phenomena is something I have recognized for years but I didn't have the right tools to describe my observations. I propose and firmly believe that the recipient site redness and scabbing creates an illusion to the observer. The contrast between recipient scalp and the subsequent scabs that form immediately post-op creates a misrepresentation of the actual density that was achieved. Observe the photo I put together shown below. It is actually two copies of the same photo. I used CS5 to remove most of the redness in the scalp which means that most of the scabs were removed as well. This exercise shows just how much the density, or the perceived density, declines once the contrast ratio is equalized. This is a NW6 patient with just over 4000 grafts. Looks rather dense. Doesn't look quite as dense now, does it? What one sees and what gives the impression of greater density is the fact that each scab that forms is roughly 500% larger (or more) in diameter than the hair that has been placed into the recipient scalp. Combine that with a higher contrast between scabs and scalp and you have a very powerful illusion. Edited November 30, 2011 by Jotronic The Truth is in The Results Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted November 30, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted November 30, 2011 Great post joe! Thanks for the info Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted November 30, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Makes complete sense to me. Scabs are ALWAYS bigger/wider than follicles. I've noticed that in all three of my surgeries. Btw, his head is reminding me of blinking Christmas lights. Gettin' me in the holiday spirit. Edited December 1, 2011 by aaron1234 ALWAYS not usually Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Cant decide Posted November 30, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted November 30, 2011 LOL aaron!! My Hairloss Web Site - Procedure #1: 5229 Grafts with Dr. Rahal Oct, 2010 Procedure #2: 2642 Grafts with Dr. Rahal Aug, 2013 7871 Grafts http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=2452 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Jotronic Posted December 1, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 Btw, his head is reminding me of blinking Christmas lights. Gettin' me in the holiday spirit. Well, that was obviously the whole point of this thread:) The Truth is in The Results Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member RCWest Posted December 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 Excellent observation Joe! Finasteride 1.25 mg. daily Avodart 0.5 mg. daily Spironolactone 50 mg twice daily 5 mg. oral Minoxidil twice daily Biotin 1000 mcg daily Multi Vitamin daily Damn, with all the stuff you put in your hair are you like a negative NW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member chrisdav Posted December 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 That's a great post Jotronic. 2 poor unsatisfactory hair transplants performed in the UK. Based on vast research and meeting patients, I travelled to see Dr Feller in New York to get repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairthere Posted December 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 That illusion of density the scabbing/redness provides returns once the hair starts to grow in and becomes longer and the hairs mature and thicken. I am the owner/operator of AHEAD INK a Scalp Micropigmentation Company in Fort Lee, New Jersey. www.aheadink.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azazelgs Posted December 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 Wow, it's something that always bugs my mind, thanks for the info Joe! Another thing is when I see this , I thought if someone decides to go with shorter haircuts, SMP can do this affect to create the density. But I'm no supporter of tattooing a pure bald scalp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mars Posted December 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2011 Is this photo trick hard to do joe?if not it would be a great idea to add to post op pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member RCWest Posted December 2, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2011 Joe, this is a good pic to use about density. Is this an average density session or is it spread out some? It looks as if there is plenty of room between grafts when you remove the red. Finasteride 1.25 mg. daily Avodart 0.5 mg. daily Spironolactone 50 mg twice daily 5 mg. oral Minoxidil twice daily Biotin 1000 mcg daily Multi Vitamin daily Damn, with all the stuff you put in your hair are you like a negative NW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Jotronic Posted December 5, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 5, 2011 Is this photo trick hard to do joe?if not it would be a great idea to add to post op pics. Mars, for this photo it was rather simple but only after I did some research on how to do it. I've tried on some other photos and the result is far from acceptable. I'm still looking into though and I may need to get a hold of an expert to help me. That illusion of density the scabbing/redness provides returns once the hair starts to grow in and becomes longer and the hairs mature and thicken. Hairthere, I agree to a point in that this coincides with my discussion of the "sweet spot" for length. One thing this does show is that a short length will not give one coverage much less density when the grafts are spread out like this. Joe, this is a good pic to use about density. Is this an average density session or is it spread out some? It looks as if there is plenty of room between grafts when you remove the red. I would say no, it is not average density. I am not privy to the exact details but more times than not 4200 would have not been extended into the crown region. The Truth is in The Results Dr. Victor Hasson and Dr. Jerry Wong are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairthere Posted December 5, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 5, 2011 Jotronic, Yes, I agree there is a definite sweet spot in hair length that gives just the right amount of coverage before it starts to look thin. I am the owner/operator of AHEAD INK a Scalp Micropigmentation Company in Fort Lee, New Jersey. www.aheadink.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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