NegativeNorwood

Quoting Nate Diaz: "I'm not surprised motherf******" Amazing result and presentation, as usual.

Amazing news 🤩

Imagine not having scarring after the transplant and regrowing 20% of the donor...Verteporfin has mind blowing potential.

But you posted it, not them. This is what I'm talking about You can't tell how good Hasson work is with those pictures. Meanwhile, Feriduni's pictures are extremely detailed and allow the viewer to judge his work. Many other doctors like Munib Ahmad, Rafael De Freitas, Konior, Nadimi, Couto, etc post very detailed pictures. I mean, you know their work is good because you are a patient, but for someone who isn't...there's no way to see it other than "trust me bro, they have a great reputation".

I agree with you. I've seen how they present their cases and most of them don't show the hair slicked back, wet or being combed. If I didn't knew about the clinic reputation here, I would assume it's just another random, nothing special clinic. They need to up their game when it comes to presenting their cases, can't compare them to the greats like Konior or Feriduni to name a few, without good pictures (both Feriduni and Konior take extremely detailed, high resolution, honest pictures). Impossible to do an apples to apples comparison without proper pictures. They are not the only ones tho, most clinics, sadly, present their cases the same way.

Completely agree with you, I can see that in the 12 months post op pictures also. Still kudos to the clinic for presenting high resolution, honest pictures that allow people to see their work and draw their own conclusions about it. Most of the time pictures are so low quality that we struggle to tell which pixel is the hairline, so it's the same as not seeing any picture.

Sad to read that mate, still you probably have god tier italian donor hair characteristics. My grandma was italian, but from the north, and in my family we have finer hair on average compared to south italians (except my sister, who not only has a low set hairline, but also strong temples and very dense hair, so she would be an outlier).

Go for it, you have very good hair at your age. I think your goal is very realistic.

You have to search for a good hair transplant surgeon worlwide, not for a good turkish (or indian, spaniard, american, etc) surgeon because is cheaper. There are many good surgeons out there. All of them are expensive, some more than others. Not everything expensive is good, but everything good is expensive. The best method is to look at their before and after pictures, they have to be taken from the same angles, with the same lighting, hair slicked back, wet and dry and at a high resolution. If the results presented don't meet those presentation standards: run, is a bad clinic, regardless of price and reputation. Your hair has unlimited value, don't bargain with it.

True, the norwood reaper is afraid of the almighty italians. It also explains why I haven't seen an italian surgeon recommended here...they barely have any work to do haha

"But, but....they are feminine because they are not Norwood 2!!!!" LOL I want whatever those people are smoking, must be pretty fun.

Agree with you. From Couto himself: "Temple peaks NEVER recede WITHOUT receding THE HAIRLINE FIRST, so restoringthe hairline and not the temple peaks definitely provides an unnatural result.In MOST MEN, the right corner advances more than the left corner,and of course this also happens in temples, which generatesan ASYMMETRY in the lateral frame of the forehead thatthe doctor recommends to be restored." https://www.instagram.com/tv/CgUForkKoM1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Note how he used recession, not maturation. "Don't get a hair transplant for your temples, you have a mature hairline"...pure nonsense again. But it doesn't matter to some, it won't get thru their thick skull the same way DHT does, despite presenting evidence posted by one of the best surgeons.

Thanks gentlemen, the term indeed is completely senseless. Why don't people use "mature crown", by the same logic? "That's not balding, that's a mature crown. Is normal for your age. Don't get a HT, ethical surgeon X will reject you if he truly cares about you" The amount of absurdity is astonishing, yet people cope in the most colorful ways possible to not admit they are balding or that they are not as masculine as they mom told them because it is comfortable to them to continue that way. PS: Tom Cruise actually has a "mature hairline" too....wow, great insight Rafael. I want a "mature hairline"...like Tom Cruise's 😉

You're welcome sir, happy to help when I can. Feriduni charges 4 to 5€ euros per graft according to this website, I assume VAT is already included (normally, EU prices tend to always have VAT included, but lately I've seen some hair transplant doctors that don't include it in the price, like Mwamba, who AFAIK reportedly charges 3€, but without VAT): https://www.best-hair-clinics.com/clinics/dr-bijan-feriduni-hasselt-belgium.html

I took a little time to see Hasson pictures and compare it to some Mwamba and Feriduni cases...Hasson doesn't show the hair combed back, nor the hair wet or combed, like Feriduni or Mwamba do, so you can't really compare his work to them. Also the Feriduni and Mwamba hairlines I've seen are have nape hairs and are irregular. Are you sure we are talking about the same doctors? That's a pretty stark difference in presentation. Notice how Hasson doesn't even show the hair slicked back (let alone combed or wet). IMO that presentation is not enough to judge hairline work. Not shilling or anything like that, just my observation. In real life, you'll have to comb your hair back and it will be wet after you shower, so that's what you have to look for before making a decision. The transplant will be even more evident if you like to wear your hair short, which is also an important factor. I think Feriduni, Mwamba, Couto (or Konior in the US), Zarev and Munib Ahmad have the best hairlines tbh. In the US, Nadimi is also great but haven't seen temple work from her yet.

No axe, no agenda. Haven't got a hair transplant yet. Just my opinion. 100% agree with you, diversity of opinions is good and we can agree to disagree. All the best for you too 🤝

Understood. I've seen a few very good cases from Feriduni and Mwamba tho (at least to my eye), but have to admit I haven't looked into Hasson due to me living in Europe. You should go to one you consider the best, if that's Hasson, then go for that loan and be happy with your decision and no regrets ("what if I went to x instead?"). You deserve to enjoy your new hairline to the fullest, so go for the surgeon who's work you like the most 👍

Mind explaining the "frankestein hairlines"? I think both have great results for temples (which is my main interest too + eyebrows) and hairlines, and their pictures are of great quality, so their work can be appreciated correctly. I've also looked at Rahal but couldn't find pictures of high enough quality to make an informed judgement, I know he has a great reputation, but I need high quality pictures like the ones Konior, Feriduni, Mwamba or Munib Ahmad use to be able to tell if he's that good or not. Otherwise, is a gamble.

- Presents a well crafted argument and a true before and after picture of a celebrity who really got a hair transplant to prove the opposite. - "Duh you clueless you proved my point buddy hehe"

They have the same hair, just different lighting and wet vs dry hair in Cruise's pictures. Pitt shaved the temples for a movie role. Cavill didn't have a hair transplant. Tremendous straw grasping you did there, you truly are clueless if you don't understand how lighting can influence the perception of hair. That's why there are so many bad doctors out there, because they use favorable lighting and low resolution pictures to show their results as better than they actually are. You are doing the opposite and showing pictures with bad lighting to prove your crazy theory. You need to be a happy man accepting that there's people out there with better genetics than you, delusion is not happiness. Many people in Hollywood had hair transplants, just not Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise or Henry Cavill. James Franco is a good example of a celebrity with minimal hair loss that got a hair transplant, and the change is pretty evident: He has unlimited money, same Hollywood friend's circle and connections...yet the small change is noticeable when you compare pictures with the same lighting. Do you really think Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt can get away with it and he can't? Non sense, all of them have the same amount resources, the difference is that Cruise and Pitt didn't have a hair transplant.

Go and tell him this is a "mature crown" and that he's not balding: Same logic as "mature hairline"...none, pure nonsense.

Cosmetic procedures are common in hollywood, but he didn't get a hair transplant with that hair. It's camera, lighting and whatever he used to style his hair. Go and look at turkish hair mills before and after pics, you'll see how the before lighting is always similar to that picture, to make the hair appear worse than it actually is. Hair loss is hair loss, doesn't matter how you want to name it. You either have all your hair, or you lose hair (could be a little, could be a lot). Simple as that. Most hairlines are M shaped to some degree (in caucasian men), so practically no one is born with a completely flat hairline. They just name the small level of recession "mature hairline", when in reality is just a small level of recession. You don't turn out 21, get your driver's license and buy booze and automatically a Norwood 2 appears out of the blue with sign that says "congratulations, you are now a mature man". That article is cope and non sense.

Bloated face + hair styled differently. He didn't get a hair transplant. As you implied, the wider face, plus the camera's lens distortion, angle of the picture and lighting (in addition of hair texture, could have used gel instead of powders to style his hair) make the hair appear different, but in reality is the same. Btw we are talking about calling a Norwood 2 a mature hairline instead of hair loss, which is wrong, doesn't matter if by puberty or MPB, it is hair loss. Massive strawman argument you made. Sure, there's people who prefer a Norwood 3 hairline, as there's people who likes sharing their wife with other men. Nothing wrong with that, "is just their preference" (not mine tho). It has nothing to do with calling Norwood 2 a mature hairline and not hair loss (which, spoiler: it is).

POV: you want to go from Norwood 2 to Norwood 0 at 30+ years old (with strong donor, slow hair loss and responding well to meds) and post it here:

True for poorly executed transplants with bad, straight hairline designs, but is has nothing to do with this thread because the hairlines posted in the OP are not straight: Look at that fake, short hollywood wig (in case you didn't notice, this last sentence is strong sacarsm).