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Yeah, either lighter hair or darker skin.

Agree. For a caucasian man, this how that would look like: Even if he started to bald, he would have a very, very high number of FU in his donor area, and he would need to use less than others with different hair characteristics to cover the same balding area. Basically, cheat code hair type.

I agree with this 100%. Pekiner doesn't even have proper after pictures of his work, all of them are patient posted selfies. How can anyone know if Dr Pekiner is good or bad without good pictures of his work? The hype makes no sense.

I really like Dr Feriduni's work, he presents very good and honest pictures, and his results are always very natural. Just out of curiosity, the price Eugenix quoted you is with Dr Sethi as the lead surgeon, or with Dr Bansal?

Another day, another godly result. Those temples are something else too, most natural result I've seen, and he started as a repair patient (!). Just too good 👏

What an overfilled face has to do with a hair transplant? (Answer: nothing) OP is clearly a smart man and has realistic goals, he didn't mention fillers or surgery, just a lower hairline (which Eugenix, a hair transplant clinic, drew in the first place, not him). I get that you and some HT clinics don't like Norwood 1 hairlines, really, but what you do is peak straw grasping. PS: we haven't seen OP's face to judge the actual hairline height, what Eugenix drew in the first place may even be a perfectly proportional hairline that follows the rule of thirds. We don't know without seeing the full face.

Avoid Lorenzo. Too expensive, too rude and mediocre results at best. That's a good plan, in person consult is always the best option.

Love how you did his temples too despite him being a Norwood 6. Most doctors wouldn't have touched them, but the result and the way they frame his face is perfect. You have a great eye for aesthetics.

I agree with Rafael. Take finasteride and minoxidil to preserve your hair. The best outcome you can have is keeping your already perfect hairline with medications. Don't listen to Mike btw, there are plenty of old men with hairlines like yours (Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and a very long etc), the term "mature" hairline is non sense.

Thanks! I think the biggest advancement in hair treatments would be increasing native, non miniaturized hair thickness. If someone with ie 50μm could increase it to something like 70μm on average, he would not only need less grafts to cover his baldness (and save more grafts for the future), but also would have an amazing mane compared to before. Imagine taking that thickening medication for a year + getting a transplant, and going from this: To something like this: That would be mind blowing 0_0

Thanks! I'll start oral minoxidil + oral finasteride ASAP, just wanted to know this before to get a better understanding. "Just" slowing hair loss is already a great benefit and makes it 100% worth it IMO. To make sure I understood correctly: - Slow hairloss, get an increase in diameter of miniaturized hairs and possibly even some hair regrowth in some individuals = realistic expectation - Increase hair diameter of non miniaturized hairs = not possible, unrealistic expecation. Would that be correct?

Excellent surgeon choice, very honest and one of the best in the entire world. You have very high chances of getting a stellar result. Happy growing!

*cries in sub 60μm* 😅

I've seen those pictures too, they are quite useless because of the non consistent lighting, the low resolution and the lens distortion that comes with smartphones' cameras. He also gave you a pretty lame excuse, because by that same logic, he doesn't upload honest pictures because he doesn't want to do it (he could also take honest, not just dishonest pictures...is his choice) Nothing stops him from preseting his work honestly, like ie this: No one can say if he's good without proper pictures, just "trust me bro, he has a great reputation". Good luck, unironically you will need it if you go to him.

Everyone talks wonders about Pekiner, but I couldn't find proper after pictures of his hairlines. I've seen very detailed pre-op pictures, but not 12 month afters uploaded by the clinic, they are always uploaded by their patients (and of course, the pictures taken with a phone, not with a proper camera). Do you have some some proper after pictures of his work to see them (or did he showed you some)? I find very strange that such a well reputed doctor doesn't have proper after pics uploaded...I've tried searching by Neohead clinic and by Pekiner, but truly couldn't find anything solid, only low quality phone pictures taken by patients, which are pretty useless to judge the hairline work properly. Not trying to be an @ss, just interested to see how good his work is and quite confused to see such a good reputation without high resolution pictures of his work to back it up.

Agree, can't be a top clinic and not have detailed, honest pictures. "Trust me bro, they have great reputation" doesn't cut it.

I don't think it works that way tbh. If I posted my pictures, I would be told here that I barely have any hairloss (it's extremely minor and has been stable for 5+ years), yet the doctors I've sent pictures to suggested starting fin and minoxidil. Same with my dermatologist. Still, I wouldn't like to derail the thread and prefer to focus in the OP if you don't mind brother.

Aren't minoxidil and finasteride meant to prevent (or slow) baldness? The sooner started, the better. Side effects are reportedly very rare, and according to studies they dissapear at 2 months of continuing the medications. The risks are too low and the upsides (not starting to bald, for starters, even if the medications don't increase hair thickness) far outweight them IMO.

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Agree, a doctor's opinion would be great. Imagine if it does increase hair diameter in non balding people too...that would be an amazing benefit not just because of the thicker hair appearance per se, but even if that person starts balding in the future but the donor area remains thicker than before, he would have to use less grafts to cover the balding area (the thicker the hair diameter, the less follicular units are needed to cover the balding area), so he would be getting "free grafts", or better said "free coverage" and as such better graft economy (and as such, the possibility of getting more hair transplants if needed in the future). That would be a huge win.

Let's say you are not balding (or have minimal hair loss, the so called mature hairiline) and start taking oral minoxidil + oral finasteride. Assuming your hair is, and always was, let's say 50μm on average...can it increase to 60μm (or even 70μm), or is it an unrealistic expectation? I've read studies that showed up to 15% increase on hair diameter with oral minoxidil, but the patients already had advanced baldness: https://journals.lww.com/cmj/Fulltext/2021/04050/Combination_therapy_with_topical_minoxidil_and.16.aspx https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7649170/ Quoting from the second study: "Hair diameter significantly increased from baseline by 10.6% (from 58.5 ± 11.8 to 64.7 ± 15.2 μm) at 12 weeks (P = 0.002) and by 15.21% (from 58.5 ± 11.8 to 67.4 ± 14.5 μm) at 24 weeks (P < 0.001) (Table 2)." Does that only happen to a few that have advanced baldness and are lucky enough (and the new hair diameter may be similar to the one they had as teenagers?), or is it realistic to expect the same with minimal (if any) baldness, and achieve thicker diameter hair than ever?

You should do the temples too, because they are always the first to receede. So recreating your hairline without taking the temples into account would look unnatural. Here's a post by Juan Couto, one of the world's best hair transplant surgeons, explaining it in detail: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgUForkKoM1/ "Rebuilding the temples with absolute NATURALNESS,MAKES the difference between a good procedure and an EXTRAORDINARY one.Dr. COUTO considers it MANDATORY to rebuild the templeswhen they are receded by more than 25% if the hairline is advanced,because both (temples and hairline) naturally recede simultaneously.The TEMPLE PEAKS define the lateral frame of the forehead,and are essential to return the hairline to its most NATURAL appearance.Temple peaks NEVER recede WITHOUT receding THE HAIRLINE FIRST, so restoringthe hairline and not the temple peaks definitely provides an unnatural result.In MOST MEN, the right corner advances more than the left corner,and of course this also happens in temples, which generatesan ASYMMETRY in the lateral frame of the forehead thatthe doctor recommends to be restored." Even if you get a hairline that is higher set than the one Eugenix suggested (like the one @Melvin- Moderator drew), you have to get temples done too for it to look 100% natural.

I think it is realistic considering your age and the amount of hair you have. That and dyeing your hair to it's original color and you'll easily look 15 years younger. And even if you don't dye it, you would have George Clooney style hair and will look great regardless. Best luck man, I think you are on the right track.

Look at those temples, just beautiful. And the honest pictures with close ups. This is what top tier work looks like, from the great hairline design that also includes temples (sadly, a rare sight) to the presentation of the results.

I agree with you, the temple points are essential and would look stunning with the new hairline. Also agree with @Rafael Manelli, I made a quick mock up with a hairline with temples on the front that is a little bit more symmetric. It should have more irregularities like the one they drew but the drawing is just for illustration purposes. Also is the first time I've drew temples from the front btw, so take it more as an idea to see how they frame your forehead. I would say go for it, hairline + temples would look great on you and you are in a great position, because you already have lots of hair at your age, which is unusual. Best luck!