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This question is for anyone: How do transplant doctors handle the fact that you have the middle portion of your hairline still more or less in tact? Like I understand how they implant on the corners of the hairline where it's basically bald, but do they also transplant in the middle of the "M" area? Or do they leave that alone for fear of shock loss?

How long you been on? No sides?

I doubt you will want to hear this but given the situation you describe and pictures you might just want to shave it. I know no one wants to hear that but you're likely headed to an early nw7. It sounds like you have a wife or GF already so save the money for your family not a HT. I know that sucks but as someone else mentioned you're going to need multiple HT's not just 1

Also if you want a good deep dive check out what More Plates More Dates on youtube says about oral/topical min. He generally is a pretty sober and neutral observer of these things.

See link below for my (long) thoughts on oral min. My thoughts on fin (Oral or topical) are even harsher. That said, many people take oral/topical Fin for years and don't see side effects. I imagine their is a genetic component to who gets bad or really bad side's from it. But from hanging around here for a few months, I think side effects from Fin are much more common than peer review studies claim. Overall I just feel that the risk of messing with your endocrine system is not potentially halting your hair loss. Same thing with messing with your cardiovascular system with oral Min considering you basically need to take it forever. But do your own research and decide for yourself.

Nader in Mexico. Well reviewed here it seems

Damn looks good man. I'm going in for 1st HT in November and getting 2500 hairline 1500 crown and I believe I am capped at 4000 grafts. I'm worried I won't get results like your's because will only be able to do 1500 on crown

Eh it's hard to say mate. If your hairline changed between 11-13 it may have just been puberty related. You could literally go decades and decades without seeing any more loss. Who knows only time will tell. Do you have BMP on your mother or fathers side? Frankly I suggest not look at it as a "what age do I wait to before I get a HT". I would look at it as "at what age is my hair loss progressed so much that I can no longer reasonably style it in a way that it appears I don't have hair loss". No one looks as critically at these things as your own self and right now it looks like your head of hair is decent despite the recessed hairline when you pull the front back.

The typical recommendation is not to go for a HT until AT LEAST 25. That is just kind of an arbitrary number but it's worth using as a rule of thumb. If your hairline looks like that since you were 13, that might just be your natural hairline who knows... Although the 3 pics you just posted don't look like you havbe any recession at all so I'm pretty confused. When were those taken?

I am also curious how many grafts went into scalp vs front, and also for update pics!

Was just kidding on the "Will not elaborate" Looking at the other picture of your hairline yes your balding progression is more serious than originally suggested by the pics you posted in this thread. Nevertheless my advice is still the same at least for another few years. Mainly because you can still do a pretty good job or hiding your receding hairline as you have thick hair that can cover up the recession when styled properly. I am in a similiar boat as you hairline wise, but with a big bald patch on my crown. I am 33, how old are you? You look to be young still. So if I were you I would wait and see how much more you progress. But that's just me of course you can do what you want.

Not going to tell you your business and I hate to be "Mr Advice" guy, but I would strongly suggest you not get a HT. Will not elaborate Edit: I say this solely based on the pics posted. Your hairline and temples look fine

I was more asking why you would use both combined, as opposed to just 1?

Whats the reasoning behind dermmatch and then covering with fibers? Also what does the spray do I'm kind of a noobie to concealer. I usually just cover my spots with Caboki and let it ride

I enjoyed reading this. You hair loss pattern looks somewhat similar to mine especially in the original set of pics when your hair is flattened out and straightened down, although you are a bit more progressed than I am. I'm going in for 4000 grafts so I'm confident that will give me the coverage I need based on the amazing result you got out of 4500. I just hope my Doctor is as skilled as yours were. How old were you when you went in for the HT? Apologies if already mentioned

I don't understand, what does topical fin have to do with your donor area?

You might be right, but I'm of the opinion that it's overstated how much of MPB is genetically related. Genetics are main factor but environmental factors play a huge role too. And again not saying my hair would look any different if I'd started using the filter earlier, but I think when taken from holistic perspective it is one thing could possibly contribute.

You know what's funny, I was literally thinking about this very topic this morning but had never seen your post. Min is obviously a vasodialator, so who knows it's possible that it's allowing for greater leakage of the Fin out of the target area. I am considering trying Xyon (Literally the only brand of Fin I would consider) but your post is giving me second thoughts for sure. Do you mind describing your sides? I'm assuming low libido and erection issues but how bad exactly? How old are you and did you have any initial signs of these issues prior to ever going on any type of fin? Thanks and best regards

Not to continue hijacking the thread (But since the consensus is 100% that OP shouldn't get a HT yet I don't feel so bad), but I would say that the noticeability of those scars SHOULD decrease over time as is the case with any scaring, especially when it's "micro-scarring" like with FUE. Maybe I'm wrong but just my thought

I don't really think a 6 sentence post is a lecture but ok mate Do whatever you want. Just know that messing with your endocrine system is tricky business and something that a lot of people are very brazen about thanks to some uneducated reading of peer reviewed studies. Their is likely a genetic component to who gets very bad fin side effects so in a way it is a bit of Russian Roulette. But if the risk is worth it to you by all means go ahead because their are plenty of people who take it with no problems too.

Ya I'm hoping I can get away with 2 HT's over the course of my life and possibly some SMP. No hair loss at all on my mothers side, but grandfather and uncle on dads side had hair loss albeit not very aggressive.

I would not take FDA approval as indicative of much (I say this as a biology major who also works in the pharma industry, although not directly in a bio related role). 5% is also a fairly high rate considering what the potential side effect is here - it's not like we're talking about a side effect like it makes your feet swell up or your hands a little sweaty. I would also just add that for a variety of reasons peer reviewed studies are not as reliable as one would hope (Google "peer review replication crisis"). Anecdotal evidence is important in making decisions for yourself. There are plenty of people on here who reported side effects on Fin so for me it's been enough to scare me off of it. I am hopefuly however about the new Hasson topical coming out.

Bruh, imagine thinking that testosterone is the only important hormone for your manhood. You're right we don't need to into this, but just in regards to your last line I think it's overstated how necessary fin is as long as you are ok with getting 2 or possibly even 3 transplants. Of course a lot of this depends on your donor area and how aggressive your loss pattern is, but I do find people are very heavy handed in thinking that fin is some absolutely necessity given the potential for side effects.

I mean I dunno... I am very curious about FUE scarring but looking at Mister Rolanadas video's of what is supposedly "very bad" FUE scarring it really isn't that noticeable

Why gamble your manhood for some hair?