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Speaking of placebo, I take fenugreek and tribulus as a precaution. My understanding is: yes it's a placebo potentially, but I am more confident due to: 1. Some action on my part to do as much as I can to address any side effects. 2. I ignore thoughts of doubt and quickly place my mind on anything else. I make an enormous effort to not think about it. Having said that. Here is some anecdotal feedback: I was shook this last week or so. My so wanted to do stuff, but my mind wasn't really in it, and then I panicked and ONLY thought bad thoughts about the ED. A minute later, even with a mind full of panic, everything worked, maybe 80% of maximum, but 80% of max is only noticable to myself. I'd say by this logic it would become noticable for others at 60% where there would be some loss in rigidity. My point again is, do what you can, but try, as hard as it is, to not think about your dick working. You used to never think about it, don't start now. If you're still somewhat paranoid, take libido supplements AND don't think about it. Just consider it part of your HT/ your hair care routine. Don't think of it as a dick treatment.

I didn't have the experience you've had, but I hope I can help at least somewhat. I've heard fin has a shed period somewhere between 2-5 months from various sources, but it sounds like you're much past that (you say 1.5 years). It's far out of my wheelhouse, but maybe a higher dose will help...? Again, I'm purely speculating. I say the above because fin works by inhibiting DHT. The unlucky balding population has hair that is sensitive to DHT. It could be that enough DHT is getting through to the hairs to make them fall out with your current dosage. I've also just read an estimate which says fin blocks about 70% of DHT while dutasteride blocks about 90%. The hair on the sides and donor is not sensitive to DHT. My current advice is to get a haircut which doesn't bring so much attention to your balding pattern. Even if it's not the Jason Statham buzz cut, reducing the "bulk" (use thinning shears/feathering scissors) will minimize the transition from healthy full hair to the balding area. Does that make sense? It's like you have trees next to a empty plot of land - where you want to make that more of plants or shrubs next to an empty plot of land. I would go 1-3 on the sides and 3-5 on the top, where there is a difference of two in the sides and top. I honestly can't imagine loosing my hair at such a young age. I do feel for you. I have generic advice that's good for your life like: take care of your health (diet & exercise) and try to build confidence through success in professional life as well as hobbies and activities. See if you like rock climbing or something active. Confidence comes from success, not from looks. There are plenty of confident ugly people and plenty of attractive people with no confidence. Get some "wins" under your belt. Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I'd definitely consider a HT. With your current aggressive progression, you will be a Norwood 7 in little time. The good news is you know your fate and can at least plan for it. You'll never have a full and thick head of hair - this is just a fact of life. Your best case is finding out what your donor is capable of. With this in mind, start visualizing what REASONABLE density & coverage you could achieve. Look for others, on this site and elsewhere who come from a similar Norwood progression. Age doesn't matter only their results. See what the successful ones aimed for, and the pitfalls of unsuccessful patients. You'd be looking basically at results of 4000+ to get coverage, maybe 3000+ if you chose to not address your crown (which I think may be fine without it, and many on here say they think it a futile endeavor due to growth & density factors). Consider using a doc who is good at BHT, since you want to use the "less valuable" body hair in the middle and the more precious donor for the hairline. Best of luck. I genuinely hope it helps.

Thanks, my goal is to help others. Booking your actual flights on Mon-wed (regardless of days you fly to and back). In my experience the most expensive days to actually fly are Friday and Sunday. You're more likely to find better deals using kayak or your preferred travel search engine feature of " +/- 3 days " for the lower cost flights. Here is my post, it has pretty good info. https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/54236-travel-advice-airfare-guide/

Best of luck, a HT is a big decision. Cant wait to see your post about the travel experience and the HT itself. You will have a life altering procedure, and I'm very excited on your behalf. It's improved my life. If you have the time to shop tickets and are looking for good deals (check prices daily, but note prices Mon-wed as they are usually lowest) could you please assist my price compilation? I didn't pull any data from Australia to Turkey nor India. If you have the time, could you make notes of any prices on my forum post in "open topics"? Just for your benefit, check prices from both large Australian airports to Istanbul. It may save you a decent amount of money, depending on additional cost of getting to other airport. Again, best of luck!

Funny you mention LukeyB. I just wrote a little about him. Yea I remember he had a near fetish with the coconut oil! His thorough documentation really helped me, and made me consider coconut oil, but his own bad acne reaffirmed my beliefs of the scalp not "breathing" and getting the pores clogged with the stuff. I may have to do more research about it. I also want to see more results of isolated coconut oil in the scalp (perhaps I should start looking if I want to see it! - I haven't looked into it.) without any medications or other supplements.

Will do. I don't know if I want to commit now or in two months... I am a hoarder, so it may be difficult for me to only have one or two months of medication.

I think LukeyB did a marvelous job of documentation and continues to provide great feedback to anyone who asks him for advice. Having said that, LukeyB himself acknowledges that his case may have been different than many others'. He says Cinik himself did a large portion (more than other members are seeing/experiencing), and thus his (wonderful!) case has an asterisk. If you read his post, you'll see comments like: Blaze99 said: Interesting information. In that case why do people pay so much more just to go under the knife of an unknown technician? Isn't like buying a lottery? You can get a technician who is 5 years experienced or someone who started last week. No? exactly, but usually, they are working in a group so it's not like the new technician works alone. plus, there is always the option of going with a dr that performs the whole operation himself like keser, but he charges 3.5euro per graft, it's 3-4times the amount of other clinics. if you have the money nobody would suggest you not to go there. for example for me 10k is a lot compared to 2k. I may have to go twice so I cant afford 20k. the only thing that is important is to do your research and see as many result as you can. the only negative review I saw of this doctor was that,some guy said "people were coming in and out during operation and some of the technicians were using phone during the operation" but it was a few years ago and I'm assuming they saw the bad review and already took measures that this doesn't happen again. they are very careful about bad reviews so I'm guessing they wouldn't want somebody bad mouthing them either after a bad surgery,therefore they would train their technicians very well. in this business, the reviews can end you. look for as many before/after reviews as you can to see how they turned out and how was their experience, especially the ones that have journals like this thread. they wouldn't be fake because the patient writes his experience with pictures of himself. I'm considering this dr as well, if I could afford to spend more money I would go with a dr that does it himself, but since I can't afford it, I'll just settle with the best one at my budget. I don't have a well formed opinion on his clinic, but I did believe I saw several positive results come from there recently. Mrknid, superflash and especially donjamo considering he had comparatively few grafts placed for his advanced balding - but some may criticize density (I personally would love for his results if I had his original conditon. Fespafer hasn't updated in nearly 2 months, but I hope all is well with him. With a review of recent cases, yes, I think Cinik's clinic is putting out great results of late. It should definitely be on your list. I wasn't sure before I typed this.

Minox is purely after showers. I've stopped putting it on religiously after the 3-4 month mark. I used it daily in the mornings to style my hair a lot easier (the stickiness acts like hair product). I now try to schedule my showers in the mornings to take advantage of the clean scalp. Some days I go 24+ hours without a shower, so sometimes it is less than once a day. Occasionally it is more, when I take two showers a day after a workout or something. *I meant to say too that I used to do minox twice daily from month 1.5-3 or so. Scalp got too itchy with new growth and minox, so I curtailed to a single dose. I don't use coconut oil. I have oily skin as it is, and the coconut oil (though I love coconuts) would fuck my scalp up with acne. I would consider a soak type of treatment where I would leave it in for a 4-8 hour term on the weekends when I don't have to leave the house, but a consistent and daily thing doesn't sound that appealing to me. Were you perhaps talking about ingesting coconut oil? If so, I have not tried that either.

Good luck to both of you with the micro needling. I am curious to see if you both can replicate the results I've seen online. I think micro needling is tough. I've never done it, and don't have a reason to start yet. I am 5.5 months into my HT journey, but I can't imagine doing MN consistently enough. I don't really do anything for my hair outside of popping pills, but you both are putting REAL effort in. I say best of luck and keep it up! It's a long process with HTs, but at least we know what signs to look for as well as the milestones to look for them. MN is tough because I feel like the journey is unknown, and the results may not be clear. Again, best of luck and keep us posted!

Double posted. Don't know how it happened. Deleted this version.

Since being on tinfal, I haven't had *too many issues with acne. I had a lot as a teen, but my adult skin does fairly well. Thanks for the 10mg perspective and the effects. Now, do you take any folic acid? Does your 10mg biotin include any? I did see a 10mg biotin and like 100+ (3+ month) version being sold on Amazon for like $10. I was just curious if I should supplement it with folic acid or if an an increased dose in biotin would "balance" the decrease in FA. Truth be told, I've never put too much though into the thickness of my hair, but I like it as it is, and not just the HT hair. I do infact loose less hair when I dry my hair after showers. I'm just trying to pin the culprit of the improvement to biotin and/or FA. And the dosage... I know they're both vitamins which are water soluble (excess is peed). Again, thanks for 10k suggestion!

I don't have side burns. I literally went back and looked at all my photos thinking, "do I really have sideburns"? Lol, no worries. Most of my pics with facial hair grown out is the longest my sideburns get. I appreciate the comment though. I do see how it would benefit my face.

Thanks Paddy. I kept the ruffled look for this one, and I'm excited for my update in two weeks. Thanks for following me on my journey!

I've also been researching a little on my own some alternatives to the tinfal. I will be running out in the next 3 months or so, and I wanted to know what either of you use for biotin + folic acid, if anything. The tinfal I have is 5mg of biotin and 5mg of folic acid. I am having a hard time finding such a large dose on Amazon. Some pills have 5000mcg (5mg) of one, but like 300mcg of the other. Should I suck it up and take two pills instead of my one? I know Bhatti recommends biotin pills for the recovery period, but should I consider staying on them indefinitely? Is it important to get 5mg and 5mg after 8 months, or should I look for a reduced dosage? Thanks for any help!

Here is my 165 day update! I woke up and didn't touch my hair after about 24 hours of no shower. I then went to gym and showered after. Red shirt is post shower, and I towel dried and air dried the remainder. My hair was fairly oily, and looks lighter after the shower.

Your grammar is trash. That, or you don't read. There are two thoughts expressed: 1. Serious infections which occur in less than 1% (these are the horror stories of the scalp literally becoming a petri dish and 2. folliculitis - which is named sterile because they cannot pin the cause down to any one issue. Why are you like this? Can you please just take the L?

I appreciate this post. I've seen both posts in the past, but neither have a resolution, hence my statement of not seeing Bhatti's work corrected. I've not chatted with the legal disclaimer person, seems a little flimsy to not post anything. You* are the owner of the body and all cosmetic modifications, no artist or doctor can prevent you from displaying your body and the modifications. A doctor cannot censor his patient. Even with a NDA, it would never pass the legal threshold of a binding contract. Suspect, but I hope to see the results he posts eventually. Could you imagine a take-down order for someone displaying a bad tattoo? What a dystopia this would be. I think it is smart of a clinic to turn down patients. The patient may have a higher risk level, and it may not be worth associating your name with failure. Some of the highest if not the highest regarded surgeons practice this method of only selecting the best possible candidates and refusing all others. I agree that Bhatti doesn't operate this way possibly to his detriment. Bhatti does a lot of repair work, and I find that impressive and risky. I wouldn't want to try something someone else messed up for fear of a second failure. I think he may very well be too open to working on all who come to him. This is a genuine and possible criticism and concern. Maybe he should be more selective. I think Bhatti doesn't prioritize money. If he did, he could certainly charge more, he has more name recognition than most if not all the Indian docs (similar to ASMED in Turkey - I only use this example for cost purposes, please don't take this as any deeper comparison ASMED charges more and does more volume, neither of which Bhatti is known for). Businesses differentiate themselves by certain strategies. Bhatti's strategy is lifelong service of a client. It's why I chose him; he is willing to serve a patient for their lifelong needs. It is appealing to me that he does BHT, since I think I will need more hair than my donor can provide later on in life. Some other strategies are volume economics and perceived greater quality. I mention this because nothing has supported a theory that he wants to collect money and do careless surgeries with abandon. He could do it more efficiently and for greater profit, yet he doesn't. That's my point.

Here is a link to a guy who had what looks to be two failed HTs from recommended docs. https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/42780-cobblestoning-or-folliculitis-3-weeks-post-op-from-second-ht/ It seems he was prescribed medication, but clearly he has a propensity to get folliculitis. Two surgeons, so by your logic, still not his fault, but the surgeons'. This will be probably the last time I address this: >The #1 bullet point for FUE Complications is: >Donor-site depletion: Irrespective of whether scoring was performed by manual, motorized, or robotic punches, the risk of a clinically >apparent depletion of hair from the donor region because of aggressive and nonuniform harvesting is observed. This may create an >iatrogenic “moth-eaten” or “pseudo-syphilitic” appearance [Figure 2].[7] >This is unfortunately what happened to @Nebulosity ****Sorry I guess it wasn't FUE, but recipient. My point still stands. I was always talking about the recipient hair because it is the relevant discussion of hairline.***** The article is not even 3 pages long, and you fuck it up. Are you going to eat your words? Fuck. Your 1. Blatant lie, 2. Denial and 3. unwillingness to accept contradicting points to your ideas brings this conversation to an end for me. You lie about things that are easily disproven. You are a liar and you're wasting everyone's time. I agree that nebulosity will have to grow out his donor. It doesn't look good, and that (the donor) is a purely doc related issue. The conversation was originally about op's head, and his growth. Occurred 8 months after surgery... Yet is not AT ALL the patient's fault. Right. I'm the idiot. I never claimed that all failures are due to the patient, I only claimed that a doc, regardless of who he or she is, isn't the sole reason for a good or bad result. It comes down to my original thesis: Post-op care and patient physiology matter greatly for the success of a HT. If you argue with that point, all the journals state the same facts which support the thesis. I am done defending it. Research and studies don't sway your opinion, so I know I can't. I'm not that good. As far as the bad patient's are lazy bit, I have stated that it comes down to physiology. Some people do sweat more (I honestly don't know if this is a controversial issue with you lol). Some people, wait for it, have hair that is weaker (due to physiology again, idk if you will argue this point) which will have less success outside the body and less success again after transplantation. I posted the links from the article you chose to not read. It's all here should you choose to suck it up and actually read the damn 3 pages. Is this blaming the patient? In my eyes, no. In your eyes, definitely yes I wager. If calling a patient's biological characteristics a potential cause for poor results (as the NCBI states) then I guess I am. Your arguments are lazy with blaming everything on the doc. Your ability to omit information is remarkable. I marvel at the way you view the world. I appreciate being called a poster boy, I'll take whatever complements I can get. When you say I ONLY blame the patients, I never once blamed any patients here. Read my posts (you haven't so far lol). I asked questions if perhaps it could be physiology or the care. The hair grafts (outside of several concerns of density) looked normal post-op. There was nothing that would suggest "not deep enough" slits nor any other issues I could see. Again, if you choose to fight against the established medical literature, I won't stop or argue with you. It's your battle to wage.

Can we pump the brakes on a second transplant? I'm less than 6 months (exactly 5 months - 150 of 365 days) into my surgery which have a well documented 12-18 month maturation period. It is irresponsible to speak this way of a procedure. If I had braces (which I've had) and I was 5 months in, and had you tell me "well, you'll need a second braces set to finish what this braces set is doing" I'd think you're wild. Let the procedure work it's way in. I will judge the efficacy at 12 months, and again at 18 months. I won't be judging it at 5 months. My hair was at about 60 degree angle, by this I mean, look at my side profile view. My temples were approaching the center-top of my head (which would be the 90 degree portion). I looked like a man in his 30s quite possibly 40s. I now pass as a college kid under 25. Again, I appreciate the complement, but I had a disconnect between how I felt and how I looked. I spoke about this in my posts. It is uncanny the feeling of seeing a stranger in the mirror.

What's your source? I named mine. If you want specifics, like you asked, speak in specifics. You can't use feelings in this discussion anymore. I did. Go back and look at figure 4. It is a textbook case of "I'm getting the early signs of growth" zits and typical shedding. The symptom is the same, but the effect is not. Nebulosity has results that are improving daily. His 6 months is slower than many, but miles better than his earlier posts. Look back (I did) and tell me there is no improvement. We're talking about a guy who isn't at the 12 month mark, let alone the 18 month mark. Pump the brakes. Badresults did indeed have poor results. But I pose your question back to you. "We also know that @Badresults temples grew in, (perfect scalp), the top didn't. Case of point number 4?" Really, you really think that Bhatti managed to get the punches perfect on both temples and fuck up the top. How likely is that? Surely there isn't a physiological reason (like we've seen with crowns that refuse implants) that is responsible? Use your logic for a second, just entertain the idea that a section (regardless of who implants) of a patient's head will reject the implant. For Johanchicago I've already made my point on page 1 of (t)his post. He doesn't grow his hair out (personal choice, but his prerogative) and his results don't look impressive at 9 months. I do concede that he doesn't have incredible growth, but I will make my point 1. He doesn't allow himself to create the illusion of density with a near-buzz cut haircut and 2. He isn't done with his result. In my opinion, he wallows in despair. I bet my paycheck against yours that him growing his hair out for the next 4 months will look (quantitative and yet qualitative measurement) 5-10 years younger. I am still interested in seeing him grow his hair out, even if he isn't. You didn't read your own material. You are a bad ambassador of truth. I don't know where to begin. You literally skip the points which contradict you!!! You went out of your way to copy-paste the wrong info. You are a deviant and you suck ass. I can't believe I gave up time from my day to refute this. Did you not think I would see that the #1 bullet for FUE complications is: Chronic folliculitis,[16] though uncommon, can be seen as a result of failure to maintain hygiene or because of some preexisting dermatological disorder. This is usually a foreign body reaction to poorly dissected hairs- damaged shafts – Pus is sterile. Aggressive treatment with topical and systemic antibiotics and daily cleansing with antibacterial shampoo are advocated to prevent cicatricial scarring. Jesus Christ. You just found the first thing that mildly agrees with you and just pasted it, assuming no one would read it. Lazy research and lazy presentation. You skip the relevant portion (the god damn recipient area) and paste donor-related issues. The points do not relate to this nor the previous cases (you could make an argument for nebulosity and donor, but you didn't). My point still stands that physiology is a large factor along with post op care. This is irrefutable by your article as well as mine. You and I don't know the care taken, and cannot speak with certainty either way. But one of us refuses to acknowledge the possibility of patient care. I addressed Nebulosity above. I also addressed badresults temples. Again, do you not find it odd that the temples are fine, but not the hairline? Ask yourself objectively how it could be possible that a doc manages to mess only the hairline, and not the temples. Buried grafts: They can be seen most commonly when blunt punches are used. If punching is performed in hurry or proper alignment of punch along with hair follicles is not carried out, then the graft is pushed into the dermis leading to buried graft. You seriously quote something and not use it? You think Bhatti messed up the alignment only on the hairline? You think Bhatti was "in a hurry" only on the hairline? Do you realize how dumb that sounds? You can and do speculate. You speculate without a hint of evidence. How does that feel, turning the question around on you to defend? How do you know that Bhatti improperly placed the grafts? What evidence do you have that Bhatti messed the HT up? I am really curious. Please, elaborate. Everything looks fine to me. I don't see a sign of malpractice on his part, where you on the other hand are referencing patients who don't completely document their recovery. You don't know these patients, nor their history. You also have not mentioned nor addressed my point of: if Bhatti messes up so many surgeries, why are there not an abundance of fixes of his work by other docs? If you're going to reference something, at least read what you reference. This is painful for me to put thought and reason into a point for you to casually ignore it. I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to a troll.

This took me 3 minutes on google. It's just the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a US government scientific organization specializing in medicine. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212293/ "A complication is defined as an adverse event that is not considered to be a common or usual occurrence, and which requires a change in methodology. Complications may arise because of surgical procedure per se, because of surgeons planning and technical errors or because of patients' physiology or compliance errors.[1] Complications can occur both in the recipient as well as the donor site." Go to link to see the figures. "Postoperative edema [Figure 3] was the most frequent complication which was found in 31 (42.47%) patients. This was followed by sterile folliculitis [Figure 4] in the recipient area" Folliculitis: Complications Possible complications of folliculitis include: Recurrent or spreading infection Boils under the skin (furunculosis) Permanent skin damage, such as scarring or dark spots Destruction of hair follicles and permanent hair loss Were your comments rhetoric or did you really not put any effort in research?

I don't think you read my post. You wouldn't have mentioned this last bit. I mentioned I was happy as-is. Am I typing for the benefit of myself? Are you reading any of this? I can't help my hair falling forward, after a certain length, hair falls. I appreciate Melvin saying that, but there were others who said this earlier. I think such results are impressive at 5 months post op, don't you? Thank you for the complement of being fine before, but I was truly balding. I looked at minimum 5 years older (I got called 23. That was flattering). I picked Bhatti partially for the temple work. Temples are coming in nicely. I don't think you read any of my of my post

Trust me, I tried on a whim. I used the dropper for a month and did not like it. KEEP YOUR SPRAY TOP(s)!!!! I did a cursory search and found this: https://www.groomingadepts.com/hair-loss/treatments/kirkland-minoxidil-vs-rogaine/ It is a investigation into the inactive ingredients, and is 2 years old. I will reiterate that Costco is probably one of the most ethical and consumer friendly companies in the world. People have also said that Grey Goose vodka is Kirkland brand vodka: https://rebelbartender.com/2011/07/14/review-kirkland-signature-vodka-or-is-it-or-is-it-not-grey-goose/ I don't have a Costco membership, but I love store brand generics and especially love Kirkland's signature. Give it a shot! Most generics are made in the same place as the name brand, "Many generic brands are the exact same product as the name brand. They are even manufactured in the same facilities! The only difference is the generic brand is packaged differently." - https://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/generic-vs-name-brand-which-should-you-buy/ I can help explain the theory behind this fact if you're interested. It increases sales of the product (of the minox or the vodka or whatever) and yet preserves the "integrity" of the name brand by not cheapening it. Tide or Persil can continue to charge what they charge, and will make additional sales through the store brand generic detergent. This may be why there are common parts between the two minoxidil manufacturers. It is simpler to consolidate a supply chain to make a single uniform product to accommodate changes in demand rather than a variety of shapes and sizes which all have various manufacturing methods and manufacturers. I agree with @CosmoKramer , but it would be wild to see someone make a knockoff of a generic! That being said, the supplier for Amazon is Costco themselves. I don't work for Costco, but would mind it. I can definitely get behind this company. It's a company that isn't "grimy".

I'm not sure I agree with the bolded comments. I've gone out of my way to ensure I was as unbiased as possible with my photos. I've kept the same camera, lighting, location, and angles and I have not used product nor medication in any of my photos. It is almost laughable how much of a meme you are. You push a specific agenda. With a preponderance of evidence to the contrary of your point, you persevere with your mission. I won't call my results anything but my results - precisely because they are my results and nothing more. I appreciate you keeping the negativity off of my thread. I've noticed a real decline of negativity when my results started to come in. Initially there were numerous comments of density being an issue. I can say that I am pleased with the density and I don't require others' opinion on what is acceptable density. My expectations have been met. Since my name has been slandered, it is only fair for me to provide the evidence against and for my case. Make of it what you will. This is 2.0 months donor (post haircut), 2.5 and 4.5 (post haircut). I stopped taking pics of donor because I like the length of the last pic and there was no sizable difference in donor quality. It was entirely unnoticeable and not worth posting. As far as the density, I don't push my hair forward outside of a single pic which I stated in my post (remember, I made a conscious effort to maintain comparability between photos😉.). Those are Mar - June, each at a month mark. If you're interested, I will post an update tomorrow which will be my 5.5 - 165 day update. @Nebulosity really took the air out of me posting a 6 month collage I had planned. Even if my hair was finished growing at this point, I would still prefer this look to my prior one. I don't have a problem with you nor any of the other posters who criticize Bhatti. I think you should be able to post your results and have discussions about it. It is fair to say my HT success and your failure is not entirely due to the skill of the surgeon, but related to post op care and physiology. I think you will have a stronger case against Bhatti (and I'm sure you will agree) if you were to go to another surgeon and reap success with a fixer HT. I haven't seen (so far) any who have done so. I ask the casual observer: Are the critics bad HTs or bad HT candidates due to physiological or care issues? I've seen Bhatti fix several HTs. I haven't seen Bhatti's failed HTs fixed from other surgeons. He leaves much of the donor alone (your critique of "donor density"), so there should not be an issue with depleted donors. The case seems to be ripe against him, yet I've seen no evidence. If you show me a few cases, I'd gladly consider your views. I do believe your intentions are good. I appreciate this site because it changed my life. I can empathize with your scarring, and how you want to protect people from what you experienced. I show this site to people who want to change their lives. I think your claim needs support like any hypothesis: Show me members who have had a failed Bhatti HT who have gone on to have it fixed elsewhere.