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Turner, your story does not mach with the facts that those photos have different time tags in their exif information. You clearly didn't take those photos just for me. ykiska did you just have a Freudian slip? I am not here to debate with you, I am here to share my story and warn unassuming patients. On the other hand I have no idea what is your purpose being here on this thread. You had a procedure with Dr Doganay, ok, we get that, create your own thread share your story if you want, but why do you feel the need to attack me and call me a liar? Will that give you better growth after your procedure? Do you know what I think? I think you are either real expatients who are affiliated with the clinic in some way (maybe friends), or the clinic itself now uses expatients photos to create fake accounts. This is just a hunch, but I am yet to see a person who is not turkish, speaks and writes perfect english and willing to come forward and prove that he is not affiliated with the clinic in any way and voluntarily defend the clinic. I am a real expatient and I am willing to prove it anytime. If someone wants to speak to me over the phone, I am fine with that, drop me a message with your number and we can talk. If someone asks me to upload a picture to my thread with today's newspaper in my hand, I can do that in 5 minutes no problem.

Yes, you are very welcome to share your story, but you must understand that many concerns have arisen concerning Dr Hakan Doganay, so people are more suspicious this time. Trust is easy to lose and very hard to regain. There were basically no thread of happy Doganay patients just results posted by the clinic. Until recently, when happy expatients started to pop up to defend the clinic. If you truly feel you owe the clinic and want to defend them, the best you can do is prove unquestionably that you are in no ways affiliated with the clinic.

I wish you all the best Johnny. I hope you can put all the misery you went through behind you once and for all. By the way, did Dr Lorenzo repaired your donor scarring as well or your primary objective was the front this time and you will take care of the donor scarring of Dr Doganay later?

You did not make your 3month pictures public

Here comes the newly registered Doganay patients. All with similar stories, writing style and English skills. I asked the previous one whether he really took those photos on his iPhone just for me, as he stated, because the file names clearly show that those photos were taken earlier. Now another Doganay patient shows up to defend the clinic. ykiska, if you are indeed an expatient I wish you a good result. If you have any questions please read this thread you will find all the answers you are looking for. Dear FUE 2014 I am starting to wonder: If Dr Doganay indeed did all the extraction and implantation 1-2 years ago as he stated, that would mean the techs have a maximum of 1-2 years experience in the field of extraction and implantation... Very disturbing.

Did you just took these photos for me? Thanks! Could you take one with exposed hairline as well please? What type of camera are you using? The front picture seems really blurry to me. I haven't seen this kind of blurriness since the old iPhones.

It has been more than 8 months, any update?

Hey Turner, how is your growth coming in? could you share some recent pictures on your own thread? Or you can emai me as welI. I am very concerned because I am approaching 5 month and I have barely any regrowth. I am glad if you are happy with your results, but I am yet to see the "thousands of satisfied expatients" of Dr Hakan Doganay. Do you know them, or why are you reason with them so liberally? Their results seem more like a hit or miss to me. In fact to me it seems all the great results are coming from the clinic itself not from the actual patients. "At the end of the day there is no guarantees on any HT's" - this is a very disturbing statement coming from an expatient. Would you state the same if you got a very bad result? It is more like a statement used by reps to downplay the doctors' responsibility after the operation. In terms of second chances I have to disagree with you. If the provided evidence shows unethical and unprofessional behavior, I do not think a second chance should be given, it would not be fair towards the botched expatients or the other doctors in this site who are continuously prove their professionalism and high standards of ethics.

Hey, how are you doing? could you share some new pics?

Dear Bill and wylie, I do not entirely understand why is it appropriate when I link other patients' results from this website, but it is not when I do the same from other forums. All I am trying to do here is accumulate knowledge in one place. I do not know if anyone speak italian or not, and I don't expect anyone to translate it but if someone is interested he can read the forum himself. Searching and screening information is very hard and time consuming, especially when the relevant information is scattered around several forums. But when the adequate amount of information is gathered in one place one will start to see patterns. I agree it should not be my responsibility to post in the name of other patients, but whose responsibility is it? As I see, if I didn't post the many cases of dissatisfied expatients in the first place, we would not be here today. In my opinion the more the information, the better the choices we can make and this is the aim of this forum right? To educate people and help them make good choices.

Just adding a new case of Dr Hakan Doganay from an italian forum: http://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/?t=69018345 In case the link gets removed, it is patient mezzalu79 from the bellicapelli italian forum. Although I do not speak italian, with the help of google translate I found disturbing similarities to other expatients: - techs doing the extraction although the patient states he specifically asked for the doctor to do it - overharvesting the donor area - minimal growth after 12 months the patient chose not to go back for a free surgery and ultimately got a refund. Maybe someone who speaks italian could translate the case better. Updating my case as well: approaching to 5th month and experiencing very minimal regrowth.

Just adding a new case of Dr Hakan Doganay from an italian forum: http://bellicapelli.forumfree.it/?t=69018345 In case the link gets removed, it is patient mezzalu79 from the bellicapelli italian forum. Although I do not speak italian, with the help of google translate I found disturbing similarities to HTN expatients: - techs doing the extraction although the patient specifically asked for the doctor to do it - overharvesting the donor area - minimal growth after 12 months the patient chose not to go back for a free surgery and ultimately got a refund. Maybe someone who speaks italian could translate the case better. Updating my case as well: approaching to 5th month and experiencing very minimal regrowth.

Thank you Bart83 I could not have summed up my experience any better myself. It's good to see you Bill stepping up. Who knows how many people -including me- were deceived by the fake reviews and encouragements, what appears to be plain marketing fraud. You are responsible for the doctors you are working with, recommend and advertise. If you let room for this kind of activity, in my opinion, you can easily find yourself legally in a position where deceived patients will prosecute the forum and it's operators for being scammed. I am waiting for your response.

In my opinion you had a perfectly normal mature hairline before the procedure. I don't mean to ruin your happiness and I am glad you are satisfied. A little bit too satisfied: "The team then extracted my donor very carefully using the micro motor machine. I was pretty happy this tool by the competent team was used. It has so many advantages." - I have never heard anyone talk so happily about a device that is used to drill holes in your scalp... "DR HAKAN DOGANAY applied local anesthetic to the target areas and used his brilliant skills in transplanting the hair to the exact specification as I wanted" - and this sentence is like if it was taken out of a clinic's brochure.. I will play the devil's advocate here, people know I had a bad experience with Dr Hakan Doganay so my opinion might be more harsh than others but to me this case just reiterates that Dr Hakan Doganay will just about transplant anything on anybody without further consideration. I hope you get a good result.

Just out of curiosity: In theory, if someone pays for 2500 grafts and the techs start harvesting and for example they transect every second graft they extract, what will they do, what is the protocol? 1: harvest 5000 grafts so there will be 2500 viable grafts? 2: implant 1250 grafts? 3: implant the 1250 transected grafts and 1250 viable grafts?

Dear all, thank you for your support and for the constructive criticism as well. I only want to clarify one thing though. Dr. Hakan Doganay never measured or said anything about my donor capacity. He quoted me 2500 to the front without this information. When I had concerns about my badly looking recipient area I visited an other local IAHRS HT surgeon for an examination. At that time I asked him to check my donor and he was the one who told me I can probably get away with 2000 more. I believe I had shock loss - and still have - so this number might go up and I will check it after 12 month. Maybe it also depends on how conservative the doctor is. But I fear even if I have 3000 left in the bank that will be still not enough to cover for my clear future pattern of balding. Anyway, what's done is done, you are right I need to focus on the future and not let this situation wear me down.

Dear LondonHTSeeker I have never said anything about wanting a refund. I only talked about it in general, when people were defending the clinic by stating how generous they are by giving people refunds after botched procedures. I think we can all agree that a refund will not compensate anyone for their suffering and their lost grafts. And who knows, I might have the best regrowth and would not be eligible for a refund anyway. I only shared my experience after getting fed up with the BS answers of the clinic. Are you saying that people should keep their mouth shut so they might get a refund? I think that would be ethically wrong. In terms of not being totally objective and being too harsh too soon, you might be right. After all I am heavily influenced emotionally, that is why I try to back up everything I claim and reason objectively. I do ask everybody to point out where I am wrong, and I can be persuaded. To show what I mean, I edited my first post in those claims that I admitted I can not substantiate. However this whole thing turns out, I promised I will document it to the end.

Dear Spidey I can only repeat myself. I was uneducated. I indeed went in with my "eyes shut" did I deserve to not be informed properly? I don't believe so. Do you think everybody should arrive to every doctor with extensive knowledge that is outside of their profession? Isn't that why we are paying doctors so we do not need to study the same things that they do? To be able to put our trust in them? I didn't arrive to Dr Hakan Doganay to select the "2500 graft to the front" menu item from his list but to get him assess my current hair loss and check my eligibility for a hair transplant. That's not what happened. I have read your posting history and to me it seem you have a surprisingly deep knowledge about hair transplants and everything that is in connection with them. You registered recently, rarely ask any questions, but you are not afraid to give your piece of mind to anybody that is on this forum, even when that means shifting the blame to the patient. Can I kindly ask you why do you feel the need for doing that? There are some really shady things about Dr Hakan Doganay mentioned in this thread with evidence provided but you disregarded that completely and only feel the need to point your fingers at me and shift the blame to me.

Broken English, defending the clinic, evading questions, BS answers. Trying to belittle the claims of ex-patients, trying to shift the blame to the patients. Typical traits of Dr Hakan Doganay's rep's communication For me this is a dead giveaway. Only someone from the other side (doctor or rep) would say something like this and call the people patients.

Dear Cerrone60 Again, please do not try to belittle my claims and the other dissatisfied ex-patients claims. Anything I claim I back up with evidence. While we haven't even seen a pictures of you or your procedure. If you are indeed an expatient then please open a thread and share your story there By the way, even if I was a "paid accuser" as you put it, you still would have no reason to defend a clinic you have no affiliation with. Let's say yesterday I bought something from Walmart and today the competitor attacks the company. Do I feel the need to defend them? No I do not. But to put you mind at ease, I am not a "paid accuser" I am a real ex-patient and I am ready to be scrutinized anytime. Again, why do you feel the need to defend this clinic? I don't need to do a research, as I stated, it should be the bare minimum. Can you answer my question: Should those people feel obliged because they got their money back after they got messed up? Did they get their grafts back as well? Did their scars disappear?

Dear Cerrone60 Yes, I have been doing heavy research now that I should have done earlier. I have the time, since I can not leave the house looking like this. Yes I was uneducated, if I wasn't I would not let them touch my scalp. Or are you trying to say that I knowingly let them mess up my head, so I can come to this forum and "go on a crusade"? By the way I am not "on a crusade" I am merely stating facts and warn people not to commit the same mistakes that I did. And by the way, giving a refund or offering free procedure to correct the mistakes should not be considered generous but the bare minimum. Should those people feel obliged because they got their money back after they got messed up? Did they get their grafts back as well? This is the second time you attack me and stand up for the clinic. Everyday people have no reason to do that so at this point I have to ask you: do you have a vested interest in defending this clinic?

Yes I do have a lot of time since I can't go outside looking like this. To me it seems the more I scratch the surface the more dirt comes up. Obviously, I am not in a position to decide 100% sure whether those are in fact fake accounts or "real people" expressing their "own opinion" but I believe I am entitled to my own opinion. But when something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. I have created a separate thread just for this issue here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181356-did-dr-hakan-doganay-use-fake-accounts-publicity-read-decide-yourself.html

I have contacted Bill - Managing Publisherand David - Moderator a few days ago describing how Dr Hakan Doganay was using fake accounts on this forum for publicity, but was let off the hook too easily. I haven't gotten any answer since, So I decided to post my whole letter here publicly: Dear Bill and David, I believe you have overlooked some important facts about the case when Dr Hakan Doganay was accused of using fake accounts that share the same IP, but was let off the hook. I believe that those were in fact fake accounts and in this letter I am going to prove to you why. Please, first take a closer look at my other thread. I have received this message from Xkos48 quoting William1's original post. It can be found here WOW.tremendous,I just finished reading in french the article,it basically says that hakan doganay has been suspended for life on the forum for using illegal practices for publicity reasons." After reading this I remembered that there was a claim on this forum as well about Dr Hakan Doganay using fake accounts, so I did a little research. This was David's post in 05-15-2014, you can find the post here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175260-dr-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-9-5-months-fue-will-updated-7.html And this was the defense used by the clinic, I am quoting David: And this was the defense by the clinic, I am quoting Dr. Hakan Doganay: This weak defense seemed BS and not "life-like" at all to me so I took the liberty to do some research, let's see the facts: These so called real accounts of Lloyd, JohnLondon, Azura, Saeed and Sariz are just roommates of Ahmet and Mustafa and share the same IP meaning that they only come online and post on the forum from the same network from the same building. Very unlikely. I believe Lloyd is the main account as it was registered first and the following accounts were registered subsequently to praise Dr Hakan Doganay. Lloydin 2/7/2013 JohnLondonin 12/18/2013 Azurain 12/11/2013 Saeed in 11/2/2013 Sariz in 4/28/2014 So these so called real accounts are real people who are just expressing their own opinion right? Let's take a look at their posting history: (click their names and check their posts) Johnlondon: all posts: 35, from this 23 posts are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 22 posts are directly praising him and 1 post directly recommends him or states that he is considering him for surgery. Azura: all post: 21, from this 11 post are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 9 posts directly praising him. Saaed: all posts: 38 from this 27 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 24 are directly praising him and 2 post directly recommends him or states that he is considering him for surgery. Sariz: all posts: 6 from this 3 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay, and all 3 are directly praising him, Loyd is a different account, in my opinion that is the main account i didn't have the time to check all his posts but from the 148 post he made 89 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay. He also claims he is a former patient but haven't really provided any proof, this is his vague thread: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175175-dr-hakan-doganay-18-months-4000-grafts-results.html So these "real people" just happened to be Dr Hakan Doganays rep's roommates who share the same IP and come online to share their "own opinion" which is posting about Hakan Doganay and praising him in almost 100% of their posts that are in connection with him. Very unlikely.,, Ok so let's see what happened after they got busted in 05-15-2014? There should be no change in their behavior since these are just "real roommates" expressing their "own opinion"... Let's take a look at their last post and last activity after they got busted in 05-15-2014 : Johnlondon: Last post 05-03-2014. Last online: 05-03-2014 Azura: Last post 05-04-2014. Last online: 05-17-2014 Saaed: Last post 05-05-2014. Last online 05-06-2014 Sariz: Last post: 05-01-2014. Last online 05-01-2014 So to sum up, these "real people" who happen to be Dr Hakan Doganay's rep roommates and just happen to share the same IP and only come online from the same network from the same building are posting mainly about the doctor and in those post they are praising him and recommending him for surgery. And after they got busted they stopped posting and never come online again. And what happened to Azura, whose job supposed to be "to notify the clinic if any former patients are expressing concerns" How come he never came online after they got busted? How can he notify the clinic is he was never online since? Do you really believe this? I do not. I believe those were fake accounts created by Dr. Hakan Doganay's rep to praise the doc and to recommend him for surgery and after he got busted he never used those accounts anymore. In my opinion this is very unsettling. Those posts are still on the forum praising the doc and recommending him for surgery so when a new member finds them he will be influenced by them. I know I was. This is very dangerous and unethical not to mention how badly this can influence the reputation and credibility of this website. I dont't know what else proof do you need from me to believe that what I am stating about Dr Hakan Doganay is all true. I contacted you first and not posted this on the forum, so those accounts can’t be reactivated and the posts deleted by Dr Hakan Doganay’s rep. Anyway if that happened, I have documented and saved everything. Please get back to me when you have decided what you want to do with the information that I just provided to you. Obviously, I am not in a position to decide 100% sure whether those are in fact fake accounts or "real people" expressing their "own opinion" but I believe I am entitled to my own opinion. But when something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

It is good to know that you are 100% sure that the used ink is safe and safely excreted from the body. However as I understand there is very limited research done that is why I am very cautious as I have been burned once. I don't see why the ingredients can not be disclosed. We know that the recipe of Coca Cola is one of the most guarded secret of all time, however they still have to list all the ingredients on the bottle. If we require that from a beverage I don't see why we can't demand the same from an ink that is injected into our skin.

I might open a new thread for this one, meanwhile everyone should read this. I have contacted Bill - Managing Publisherand David - Moderator a few days ago describing how Dr Hakan Doganay was using fake accounts on this forum for publicity, but was let off the hook too easily. I haven't gotten any answer since, So I decided to post my whole letter here publicly: Dear Bill and David, I believe you have overlooked some important facts about the case when Dr Hakan Doganay was accused of using fake accounts that share the same IP, but was let off the hook. I believe that those were in fact fake accounts and in this letter I am going to prove to you why. Please, first take a closer look at my thread. I have received this message from Xkos48 quoting William1's original post. WOW.tremendous,I just finished reading in french the article,it basically says that hakan doganay has been suspended for life on the forum for using illegal practices for publicity reasons." After reading this I remembered that there was a claim on this forum as well about Dr Hakan Doganay using fake accounts, so I did a little research. This was David's post in 05-15-2014, And this was the defense used by the clinic, I am quoting David: And this was the defense by the clinic, I am quoting Dr. Hakan Doganay: This weak defense seemed BS and not "life-like" at all to me so I took the liberty to do some research, let's see the facts: These so called real accounts of Lloyd, JohnLondon, Azura, Saeed and Sariz are just roommates of Ahmet and Mustafa and share the same IP meaning that they only come online and post on the forum from the same network from the same building. Very unlikely. I believe Lloyd is the main account as it was registered first and the following accounts were registered subsequently to praise Dr Hakan Doganay. Lloydin 2/7/2013 JohnLondonin 12/18/2013 Azurain 12/11/2013 Saeed in 11/2/2013 Sariz in 4/28/2014 So these so called real accounts are real people who are just expressing their own opinion right? Let's take a look at their posting history: (click their names for their posts) Johnlondon: all posts: 35, from this 23 posts are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 22 posts are directly praising him and 1 post directly recommends him or states that he is considering him for surgery. Azura: all post: 21, from this 11 post are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 9 posts directly praising him. Saaed: all posts: 38 from this 27 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay from that 24 are directly praising him and 2 post directly recommends him or states that he is considering him for surgery. Sariz: all posts: 6 from this 3 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay, and all 3 are directly praising him, Loyd is a different account, in my opinion that is the main account i didn't have the time to check all his posts but from the 148 post he made 89 are affiliated with Dr Hakan Doganay. He also claims he is a former patient but haven't really provided any proof, this is his vague thread: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175175-dr-hakan-doganay-18-months-4000-grafts-results.html So these "real people" just happened to be Dr Hakan Doganays rep's roommates who share the same IP and come online to share their "own opinion" which is posting about Hakan Doganay and praising him in almost 100% of their posts that are in connection with him. Very unlikely.,, Ok so let's see what happened after they got busted in 05-15-2014? There should be no change in their behavior since these are just "real roommates" expressing their "own opinion"... Let's take a look at their last post and last activity after they got busted in 05-15-2014 : Johnlondon: Last post 05-03-2014. Last online: 05-03-2014 Azura: Last post 05-04-2014. Last online: 05-17-2014 Saaed: Last post 05-05-2014. Last online 05-06-2014 Sariz: Last post: 05-01-2014. Last online 05-01-2014 So to sum up, these "real people" who happen to be Dr Hakan Doganay's rep roommates and just happen to share the same IP and only come online from the same network from the same building are posting mainly about the doctor and in those post they are praising him and recommending him for surgery. And after they got busted they stopped posting and never come online again. And what happened to Azura, whose job supposed to be "to notify the clinic if any former patients are expressing concerns" How come he never came online after they got busted? How can he notify the clinic is he was never online since? Do you really believe this? I do not. Those were fake accounts created by Dr. Hakan Doganay's rep to praise the doc and to recommend him for surgery and after he got busted he never used those accounts anymore. In my opinion this is very unsettling. Those posts are still on the forum praising the doc and recommending him for surgery so when a new member finds them he will be influenced by them. I know I was. This is very dangerous and unethical not to mention how badly this can influence the reputation and credibility of this website. I dont't know what else proof do you need from me to believe that what I am stating about Dr Hakan Doganay is all true. I contacted you first and not posted this on the forum, so those accounts can’t be reactivated and the posts deleted by Dr Hakan Doganay’s rep. Anyway if that happened, I have documented and saved everything. Please get back to me when you have decided what you want to do with the information that I just provided to you.