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Hi Losinghair13 Thanks for sharing your story and backing up my claims. I believe you but there will be people who will question you so I would also like to ask you to upload some pictures, it is the only way to get some credibility on this forum and it adds gravity to your claims. -
Hi hairthere Thank you for the detailed answer! Is there any chance you can share the full ingredient list of the ink you are using? I'd think if it is regulated by the authorities then one needs to disclose it anyway right?
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Dear det9925 Thank you for sharing your story. But other doctors negligence should not be and excuse for Dr Hakan Doganay's negligence. Did those doctors evaluate your ongoing hairloss? Maybe you only had a recession and no sign of additional hairloss at that time. In my case the situation is crystal clear. My pattern is clear. It would not had been hard to evaluate it and inform me about it and maybe come up with a game plan. Anyway I am glad you are happy with your results.
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Dear Matt Thank you for your sympathy. I do admit I was uneducated and I jumped into something without proper research. Losing your hair in your twenties can heavily influence you emotionally and make you do inconsiderate things. Having said that I do not want to belittle the responsibility Dr Hakan Doganay plays in this story. In fact, to me, manning up means I admit my faults and calling out them on theirs. By a proper assessment and by laying out the facts based on that assessment we could have avoided this whole situation. I wanted to share my story so others won't do the same mistakes that I did.
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Dear Cerrone60 Thanks for honoring me with your very first comment on this forum. If you are an expatient of Dr Hakan Doganay, please open your thread and share your photos and experience of your procedure. I understand you claim to be happy with your results, good for you, but please do not try to belittle other dissatisfied patient's claims. These are very serious issues as lives can be easily destroyed. A lot could have changed since your procedure, as it turns out nowadays most of the work is done by techs and this can effect the quality immensely. If you want to reason please do it by disproving the claims that were made in this thread and not by attacking me personally.
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Look worse 6 months post op then pre-op
paleocapa89 replied to BluEMoOn's topic in Hair Transplant Reviews
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Im only saying that not speaking English can have it's consequences. And I agree that giving refunds is better than not doing anything, I'm saying that it's the "it's no big deal" attitude is what concerns me. Hair transplant should not be a "hit or miss" type of procedure. Giving a refund will not compensate anyone for his used up grafts.
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I'm sure anyone can have bad results as well and anyone can have good results as well. It is the consistency that matters. Do you know what Hakan Doganay's rep told me when I mentioned the numerous bad results that I have found online? "Sometimes we have good results, sometimes we have bad results. Sometimes we have 90% growth, sometimes we have 60% growth. For those whose results are bad, we give refunds." like it's no big deal. I think this kind of attitude is unacceptable when you are conducting cosmetic surgery. So these are my 4,5 month results I just took the photos outside under natural light. Do you guys think I shouldn't be worried and it looks totally natural at this point or it doesn't?
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No he hasn't. Should have been a major redflag. His assistant is translating, but how can you be sure that everything you are explaining are going through without distortion? Plus, I am wondering how can you keep up with the development of the industry and the newest best practices if you can't read the literature that is in English. Maybe his assistant translates that too? Regarding the donor area, I know this might be a rare excellent example but this guy had 5000 grafts extracted by Dr De Reyes -( two times what I had) and you can hardly see anything. I was hoping for something closer to this outcome. Doctors should not offer and advertise FUE if they can't provide the benefits of FUE as well. It should be mandatory to showcase the donor pictures as well. After all its not just a "different harvesting method", there is a reason why people chose it. I would have never went for a strip procedure but I was lured in by the promise of a "scarless" FUE. Even Dr Hakan Doganay's website states this: " In the FUE method there will be small scars, which can be seen if a patient shave his head with grade 1 or below, however, those small scars can be hided with the patient's native hairs after letting the hair grow more than grade 1." Advanced FUE For me a grade 1 is 3-4mm. And now, after the procedure they are saying they meant 1-1,5 cm????
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Hey newbie33! Could you share how exactly your consultation procedure went? Did he measure you for donor capacity, donor diameter, level of miniaturization etc. I understand he didn't really seemed to care about your future hair loss. Did he just took a quick look at your head and drew a new hairline on it without any proper assessment like he did with me?
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I am documenting everything the pictures can be checked in my picasa album. I only posted that closeup to show you that my density is not really good. And I have mostly singles and a not many doubles and maybe a few 3's. I am not checking my head all the time from that close of a perspective However it does bother me that my hair is seethrough even when its relatively long
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Dear Bill, I did not mean to attack you, could you please quote the part where I am attacking you and purposely misinterpret your words? Although I did feel that you and David are refusing every claim I make despite I back up everything as best I can and you accept everything that the clinic states. I merely highlighted an example where you and David (or maybe it was only David) claimed that I am totally incorrect, since my operation was in July 11-12 as stated by the clinic. And when I proved that it was in fact in June 11-12 as I claimed you said well, maybe the clinic got it wrong or typed it wrong.. And then David even tried to refuse the other ex-patients concerns. And right now you are stating that I am merely looking for targets to demonize, insinuating that my "attack" is unjustified. A lot of concerns came up from multiple people concerning Dr Hakan Doganay and still the only person who is being questioned is me.. I am thankful for this forum for granting a place where I can state my concerns, although I have to remind you, it was the very same forum and it's recommendation that convinced me to chose Dr Hakan Doganay..
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It is actually longer than zero guard and yes, it may still improve. No, did not think that I will have no scars at all however hearing from the clinic after the procedure that one should wear its hair at least 1-1,5 cm long is upsetting to say at least.. My main concerns are the areas where - in my opinion - they didn't really put in effort to scatter the extraction sites and they just took grafts in lines or took a bunch of grafts from the same place making some areas very noticeable. regarding my donor area my biggest concern is the middle of the back of my head
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Unfortunately I did not receive a written proof of the measurement as I had visited the HT doc to evaluate my badly looking recipient area since that was my main concern at that time. And yes, it might be lower now since I might be experiencing shock loss, I will go back in a couple of month and have it measured again and get a written proof of it. However I don't think it will be much higher, since it seems my hair is not really dense. I'd say its a below average maybe
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Biolizard, although I do not know how bad your situation is and how many months have passed since your op, If you truly feel your healing is subpar I can only advise you to state your concerns to the clinic that did your procedures and if you are not getting any help than go see a dermatologist, My recipient area looked like crap for more than 3 months when I turned to a trusted HT doc and a dermatologist who properly assessed me. since then I can see major improvements in color and bumpiness.
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Sorry, I didn't see your question, but I certainly didn't evade it. Yes, I have been to an other HT doc and he said probably another 2000 can be extracted from my donor. If you look at this picture, I would hardly think it is enough to cover for my future hairloss. And I would like to disagree with your statement of one quick look being enough for an assessment. You cant measure donor density without looking at a sample of the donor scalp under a microscope and measuring the hair density / cm2, and then extrapolating from that sample. And you can't come up with a proper game plan without checking the miniaturization pattern under a microscope as well.
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Although I do think there is a time and place for a discussion about the necessary mental toughness for a hair transplant and the doctor's responsibility in assessing the patient for it, please lets keep this thread for discussing the issues concerning Dr Hakan Doganay. For example the responsibility of properly assessing a patient physically and properly informing a patient based on the physical assessment. Or the fact that according to Xkos48 when he had his procedure in September 2013 his operation was carried out mainly by techs and ended up with a very poor result although on the physician page of Hairrestiorationnetwork.com it was clearly advertised that Dr Hakan Doganay extracts and implants all the grafts himself. Dr. Hakan Doganay*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Antalya,*Turkey this is from September 2013
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Dear Stig, Thanks for sharing your opinion. In some parts I agree with you. I am heavily influenced emotionally, that is why I always tried my best to back up everything I claimed. Even if that is not your purpose, using my emotional state in your reasoning might insinuate to others that my claims are not valid because I suffer from depression and/or anxiety. I stand behind my claims I should have never had a HT but not because - as you put it - I am not stable mentally. I should never had a HT because I am young with a high norwood level family, cant take propecia and - as I can see now - have advanced miniaturization in a norwood 5-6 area. I arrived to the doctor with medium-long hair with a receded hairline to have my current hairloss evaluated and to check my eligibility for a hair transplant and he took a quick look at my head drew a hairline on my head and quoted me 2500 grafts. He didn't check for donor density, donor supply, level of miniaturization, just confirmed I am good for a HT. How can you inform an uneducated patient without this information? How can you set up a gameplan for the future? You can't. I admit that I was uneducated, but I think it was an unethical and / or a negligent thing to recommend me a hair transplant. I agree with you, no one should be a recommended a hair transplant if he is not on propecia or if he in not yet reached the final pattern of his hairloss. And even then only when the proper assessments are done, a gameplan is set up and the patient is fully informed. Yes, when my hair started to grow back and I realized my true pattern of my hairloss I panicked and dug deep into research only to find out the ugly face of the truth and the position I am in and that really bummed me out. Having to suffer through months with a red, inflamed, bumpy recipient area really made me miserable and when I got no real help from the clinic I lost all my trust in them and reached out for help. It took me 4 months to get to this point so I think I am not rushing into a decision. I told my concerns to the clinic and all I got was BS answers and evasion. I started to do heavy research about them and that's when I found all the ex-patients with similar problems and claims. That was when I decided to open this thread and come forward with my experience. I have clearly stated that I will document my case up to 12 months so anyone can decide himself whether my results are good or bad. I might end up with a good result temporarily, but - as it is clear now - I will lose all my hair and don't have nearly enough donor to compensate for it.
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I meant it didn't take two days. It was two app. 4 hours long session carried out in two following days. But please don't get stuck up on the little things. There are more serious issues mentioned in this thread.
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Hi all, I am thinking proactively about the future, and how SMP could be used to camouflage FUE donor scars. However if there is one thing I have learned is that I will never ever again jump into something without the proper research beforehand. We know that there have been tattooing for thousands of years and they are considered to be pretty safe. However, to my understanding SMP is different in two important ways. It is injected into the upper layer of the skin and not the deeper layer where regular tattoos go and the ink used has a smaller molecular structure (although I am not sure about this) Whether it is temporary or permanent, I have questions regarding their safety and their effectiveness and cosmetic value Safety: Permanent SMP: 1: The first and most important: can we be sure that the substance that is injected into the upper layer of the skin will in fact stay there and will not travel anywhere else in the body entering the lymphatic system for example and or can we be sure if it is get's carried away, it will not cause problems down the road like cancer etc? 2: What exactly happens when the ink fades? I would assume it fades because the molecules brake up and some of the molecules get carried away by our system. 3: What happens when we try to remove SMP? I would assume again that the laser breaks down the molecules and the small particles get carried away by our system. Temporary SMP: 1: what happens when the ink fades, how does it get excreted by our body exactly? Does it enter our lymphatic system? Can we be sure that it will not cause problems like cancer down the road? 2: I have read that temporary ink particles are coated in silicone. To my knowledge, silicone can't be excreted from the body. What happens to the silicone when the ink fades, where does it go? What happens when we are repeating the temporary SMP? Are we accumulating silicone in our body without the knowledge of it's long term effect? Effectiveness and cosmetic value: 1:How does temporary and permanent SMP work in scar tissue, will it fade or will the ink flow everywhere in the scar tissue creating a smudgy look? Where can we see the photos of stellar results? 2: If an SMP fades and needs a touch up doesn't that mean that you will only get a new layer of ink on top of the faded layer of ink ultimately creating a big splodge on your head? I would really like if some experts in the field could share his/her knowledge. Thanks.
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Welcome to the forum, I see you just registered to attack me. Can someone check this guy's IP address, I have a feeling that this guy is somehow affiliated with Hakan Doganay. I have read that Hakan Doganay's reps often use multiple accounts here and they often post from the same location Please read my previous posts and you will find the answers to your questions. Other than that, I am not gonna spend time answering a rep's accusations.
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Obviously I didnt send them hundreds of pictures but I sent them a good amount of HD closeups.
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to Xkos48 That is very unsettling, as I also had the procedure in aspendos and also the techs did most of the work.. Xkos48 you had your first procedure in 2013 September correct? And it was still carried out by techs? In that case I think you have been a victim of fraud since at that time the physician page of hairrestorationnetwork of Hakan Doganay's clearly stated that Dr Hakan Doganay extracts and implants the grafts himself. Check it out: Dr. Hakan Doganay*Hair Transplant Surgeon in*Antalya,*Turkey it is from 2013.09.26 "... Dr. Doganay is very hands on and personally extracts and places all the grafts himself...." I wonder what the moderators have to say about that...
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I did suffer from post transplant depression, and I am still suffering from it on and off. And I do think a botched or a poorly planned transplant is worse than being bald. I think for a lot of people (including me) losing hair causes insecurities, and make them feel like an outsider while all their peers are enjoying their hair. Imagine how you'd feel if you end up with a bad result... But even if you end up with a very good result I think it is still possible to feel insecure about yourself, wondering every time if anyone can see your transplant, and worrying that you are still losing hair. I can only advise you to think it through rigorously, do extensive research on transplants in general and the doctors you are considering. Once read that a person should only do a hair transplant if he can conduct Q&A sessions about it, and retrospectively I think that is best advice anyone could give.
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It's sad to see, that when I state that my operation was 4 months ago then you jump to the conclusion immediately that I am "totally incorrect", but when it turns out I am stating the truth then "Perhaps the clinic got it wrong or typed it incorrectly." I also admitted that I was uneducated and emotionally influenced by my hair loss. I have visited Dr Hakan Doganay to have my hairloss evaluated and to check my eligibility for a hair transplant. I have arrived to the clinic with medium long hair and what I thought was a receding hairline, and he took a quick look at my head and quoted me 2500 grafts to the front. Basically reinforcing me in my belief. I clearly stated that I am not on propecia due to sides. No, there was no proper evaluation, he didn't check for ongoing miniaturization, he didn't check for donor capacity, donor density or donor diameter either. He just confirmed that I can have a hair transplant and drew a new hairline on my head. How can you inform an uneducated patient adequately without the proper evaluation? How can you come up with a game plan with out this information? You simply can't. I repeat, I was uneducated. I was conditioned (as most of the western people are) to trust doctors and believe in everything they say blindly. At that point I didn't assume that anything was wrong with the way he assessed me. I have learned my true state of hairloss after the procedure when my hair started to grow back on my shaven head. At that point I started to panic and research rigorously about hair transplants to get information about what options do I have now. That's when I learned that one should not have a procedure unless his on propecia and/or the final balding patter can be seen, and how important it is to plan from backwards, check for donor capacity, check for the miniaturization pattern and come up with a game plan for the long term planning from backwards. Yes, I agree, I should have done the research before the procedure. I wanted to share my story so other unassuming people could learn from my experience. I assume this should be the main purpose of this website. I also wanted to let people know that in my opinion having a recommendation from this site, or as a matter of fact any other membership or recommendation means no assurance at all. The recommendation, the IAHRS membership and the good results posted by the clinic let me believe I will receive top quality care and I can trust this doctor. The bottom line is there is no assurance and people should always triple check the doctor they are considering,
