Senior Member asterix0 Posted December 20, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stewie said: its not rocket science, the results are great, what he Is doing is no different from anyone else in terms of technique, but what is different is his and a few other docs approach to this SAFE area your only suppose to take from, I went aggressively bald very early like many on the forum and dont see a problem going right up to the borders, but many docs just won't do it, and thats the difference, nothing mind boggling, just he sees and trust the process himself A bit wrong but think what you want. Just look at how the donor heals a day or two after surgery, very very few can replicate this. You are getting significantly less trauma to the donor, the combination of homogenous extraction and this increases the amount of available grafts drastically. Edited December 20, 2023 by asterix0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member EricEdwards Posted December 20, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 9:35 PM, mtb said: Had my second hair cut today since my first procedure (not counting Dr Zarev shaving the sides for second procedure). Some before and afters. Also a few of where I came from albeit with different lighting. At this point nearly all the grafts from the second procedure (Oct ‘23) have cycled and fallen out and will start sprouting randomly in the next couple weeks (at least that was my experience with first procedure in Jan ‘23). Still some donor shock loss which should take another two months two recover. Truly an excellent result. What was the overall cost? Forgive me if this was already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Stewie Posted December 20, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 hours ago, asterix0 said: A bit wrong but think what you want. Just look at how the donor heals a day or two after surgery, very very few can replicate this. You are getting significantly less trauma to the donor, the combination of homogenous extraction and this increases the amount of available grafts drastically. Eugenix and a lot of other clinics heal donor fine and quickly too etc, but they are not that way inclined to go beyond the typical safe zone, thats the main difference tbh, I am not saying he isn't great as he is, but he is just willing to do what looks best overall for both donor and head in general 4 x HT - 10806 Scalp - 1800 Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairman22 Posted December 20, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Stewie said: Eugenix and a lot of other clinics heal donor fine and quickly too etc, but they are not that way inclined to go beyond the typical safe zone, thats the main difference tbh, I am not saying he isn't great as he is, but he is just willing to do what looks best overall for both donor and head in general Not true. Look at Bisanga,Freitas Eugenix they all go high up in the donor area. Look at Zoomster & Gatsby they took from high in there donor 12,138 Grafts (hairtransplantation.bg) great example not much different from Gatsby except zarev gets 12k from scalp. Its way ahead of anyone else that is a bad donor & small as well Freitas Extraction Bisanga extraction Zoomster all no different to Zarev arguably they rest go closer to the lateral humps Edited December 20, 2023 by hairman22 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member BackFromTheBrink Posted December 20, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, hairman22 said: Not true. Look at Bisanga,Freitas Eugenix they all go high up in the donor area. Look at Zoomster & Gatsby they took from high in there donor 12,138 Grafts (hairtransplantation.bg) great example not much different from Gatsby except zarev gets 12k from scalp. Its way ahead of anyone else that is a bad donor & small as well Freitas Extraction Bisanga extraction Zoomster all no different to Zarev arguably they rest go closer to the lateral humps I actually find myself wishing hair from higher up my head had been used. It's easy to end up with a band of hair which has neither miniaturised or been extracted from between donor and implanted hair which looks less natural than homogenous extraction. Of course, it does rely on halting your hair loss so that transplanted hair isn't affected by DHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member mtb Posted December 20, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted December 20, 2023 21 hours ago, Grouse said: Incredible! I have my consult with him in 3 months can’t wait. What NW did he say you were heading to, and how strong was your donor? Super impressive results man You'll be impressed. He's a really affable man and very knowledgeable. The new clinic is nice. As an aside Bulgaria is awesome. I made friends with some locals and thought the sights and food were great. If you care about such things you ought to hang out there for a bit. You may not have time or interest though. @Grouse 16 hours ago, THE GAME said: WTF This makes zero sense . Dr Zarev needs to train other doctors . At this point no one can compete with these types kinds results … He's meant to start training in the next year or two. @THE GAME 16 hours ago, Stewie said: its not rocket science, the results are great, what he Is doing is no different from anyone else in terms of technique, but what is different is his and a few other docs approach to this SAFE area your only suppose to take from, I went aggressively bald very early like many on the forum and dont see a problem going right up to the borders, but many docs just won't do it, and thats the difference, nothing mind boggling, just he sees and trust the process himself Perhaps. He does use a smaller punch though. Less heal time, less scarring, more scalp contraction. @Stewie 15 hours ago, MC117 said: Yeah he is levels above the herd. Other might catch up later. I remember during my consultation he told me, he tried some training debut with some docs and when they saw the working time/spent on each person they just gave up haha ! He is a machine, people don't realize enough. ha ha. yeah, I could see a new surgeon watching Dr. Zarev crank out a 20 hour day and think "nah, I'll find another specialty." Dr. Zarev is an incredible work ethic. @MC117 7 hours ago, EricEdwards said: Truly an excellent result. What was the overall cost? Forgive me if this was already answered. 4 euro per graft on the first surgery. 5 euro per graft on the second surgery. He did make some consolation though when he moved more grafts than originally quoted. Seemed very generous of him. 6 hours ago, Stewie said: Eugenix and a lot of other clinics heal donor fine and quickly too etc, but they are not that way inclined to go beyond the typical safe zone, thats the main difference tbh, I am not saying he isn't great as he is, but he is just willing to do what looks best overall for both donor and head in general Perhaps more clinics will extract wider zones over time. @Stewie 3 hours ago, BackFromTheBrink said: I actually find myself wishing hair from higher up my head had been used. It's easy to end up with a band of hair which has neither miniaturised or been extracted from between donor and implanted hair which looks less natural than homogenous extraction. Of course, it does rely on halting your hair loss so that transplanted hair isn't affected by DHT. Yes, it's possible that balding will progress further than anticipated. But that's why I'm glad I have 2,500+ in reserve. And I'm totally fine taking finasteride. Talk of side effects appear to be overblown when compared with the research data. @BackFromTheBrink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted December 20, 2023 Administrators Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 hours ago, hairman22 said: Not true. Look at Bisanga,Freitas Eugenix they all go high up in the donor area. Look at Zoomster & Gatsby they took from high in there donor 12,138 Grafts (hairtransplantation.bg) great example not much different from Gatsby except zarev gets 12k from scalp. Its way ahead of anyone else that is a bad donor & small as well Freitas Extraction Bisanga extraction Zoomster all no different to Zarev arguably they rest go closer to the lateral humps It’s dependent on the patient. For me, the hair below my lateral humps is the thickest and most robust. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member THE GAME Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 Is he 5$ a graft? he is truly a remarkable surgeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted December 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, THE GAME said: Is he 5$ a graft? he is truly a remarkable surgeon Zarev is currently €9 per graft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member THE GAME Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 No i think 9$ is off schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted December 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, THE GAME said: No i think 9$ is off schedule It's the only price he has right now, no on scheduled prices are available. I can't see that changing, for those guys already booked then yeah they would have had it cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member THE GAME Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 Holy crap 9€ is some serious coin when you are talking 12k grafts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Stewie Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 hours ago, THE GAME said: Holy crap 9€ is some serious coin when you are talking 12k grafts Who can actually afford that? Fair play if you can 4 x HT - 10806 Scalp - 1800 Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Armin Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 Well glad that i schedule my consult last month at 5 euros/graft.. and even that way was only to 12/26 lol 10 hours ago, Britanium said: It's the only price he has right now, no on scheduled prices are available. I can't see that changing, for those guys already booked then yeah they would have had it cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member asterix0 Posted December 21, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Armin said: Well glad that i schedule my consult last month at 5 euros/graft.. and even that way was only to 12/26 lol So when would your surgery be, sometime in 2027? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Armin Posted December 21, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, asterix0 said: So when would your surgery be, sometime in 2027? Im counting somewhere in 2028 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Grouse Posted December 22, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 22, 2023 I had a consult in 2026 too but can’t wait another 3 years for surgery just to save a bit of $$$, 9 euros still feels more than reasonable for his results. I bet he’d be booked for years even if he charged 20 euros per graft tbh, hope I get in before prices go up. There’s a lot of bald guys with tens to hundreds of millions in net worth that would pay any price for a full head of hair without meds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Armin Posted December 22, 2023 Regular Member Share Posted December 22, 2023 Ser if you had a consult before 12/2026 please let me take your spot ahah but yeah if you got the money go for it, its worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member mtb Posted December 28, 2023 Author Regular Member Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 months post second procedure. 11 months from first procedure. No real changes. After my first procedure 2 months was the worst of the ugly duckling phase. Can now feel and see a few tiny new hairs. It’s onward and upward from here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted December 28, 2023 Valued Contributor Share Posted December 28, 2023 @mtb two months post op is definitely the lowest point post op. It certainly was for me. Onwards and upwards from here! 👍 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairman22 Posted December 28, 2023 Senior Member Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 hours ago, mtb said: 2 months post second procedure. 11 months from first procedure. No real changes. After my first procedure 2 months was the worst of the ugly duckling phase. Can now feel and see a few tiny new hairs. It’s onward and upward from here. looks so good for 2 months. Your donor after 12k grafts looks incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member bigmistake Posted January 4 Regular Member Share Posted January 4 @mtb probably the best results I have seen congratulations ! Are you on any medication like finastride or dutastride ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted January 4 Administrators Share Posted January 4 On 12/27/2023 at 7:16 PM, mtb said: 2 months post second procedure. 11 months from first procedure. No real changes. After my first procedure 2 months was the worst of the ugly duckling phase. Can now feel and see a few tiny new hairs. It’s onward and upward from here. This is ugly duckling 🤯I can’t wait to see the finished product. 2 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member GeneralNorwood Posted January 4 Regular Member Share Posted January 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said: This is ugly duckling 🤯I can’t wait to see the finished product. Donor is healing well. I think it will look untouched in few months. And this is after 12 k grafts😅 I saw in real life people with destroyed donor just after 6k, but it was of course job of a hairmill. Edited January 4 by GeneralNorwood 1 My first Hair Transplant - Eugenix 3514 Grafts (720 grafts on the temples) - Dr Priyadarshini Das Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member mtb Posted January 5 Author Regular Member Share Posted January 5 On 12/28/2023 at 12:23 AM, hairman22 said: looks so good for 2 months. Your donor after 12k grafts looks incredible. @hairman22 I'm eager for it to fill in but that won't happen for another two months. 15 hours ago, bigmistake said: @mtb probably the best results I have seen congratulations ! Are you on any medication like finastride or dutastride ? I do a half dose of finasteride orally currently. My own choice, not Dr. Zarev's recommendation. I tolerate it just fine. You should look at clinical studies before making the decision. Sides are just not as prevalent as the internet would have you believe. Not to take anything away from men who do get them but the incidence seems very small based on the research. @bigmistake 7 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said: This is ugly duckling 🤯I can’t wait to see the finished product. This time around is so much better! @Melvin- Admin 5 hours ago, GeneralNorwood said: Donor is healing well. I think it will look untouched in few months. And this is after 12 k grafts😅 I saw in real life people with destroyed donor just after 6k, but it was of course job of a hairmill. @GeneralNorwood This time around is so much easier. Not checking in the mirror nearly as often like after the first procedure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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