"Top" doctors education table

[blackislback]

As i'm new here at HRN, and used HRN much to educate myself, i mean learned much by HRN members like @Egy, @MachoVato, @Portugal25 ,  @Melvin- Moderator, and many other, if continue count i'm afraid will forget someone, so my apologize, if didn't added rest of members helped me much to understand this matter about HT, hairloss, levels of hairloss like norwood-hamilton, good clinics, top clinics, bad clinics, hair mill clinics, all those learned here, and by my adittional research allaround....

Thought about 1 thing last days, as i'm near to decide which clinic/doctor to choose, probably some of top 5 in Turkey, as mentioned ago main reason is my private life's situation, and can't wait 12-18x months for some clinics like dr. Lorenzo, which by opinion is one of best, dr. Bisanga too, and cause of some other complications, flights, but mostly cause of long waiting list, so thing what about i thought, is "who" are these "top" doctors which perform these not so simple HT surgeries, when i say "who" not mean, only their results, websites, prices, social networks, as you know that not all failed cases will be posted at this forum, as not all people who get HT by some of "top" doctors-clinics post at HRN, and some of cases we'll never know, mostly here post members who were active before their HT, trying get here experience, help, how to choose etc. , and in respect of HRN help, get back with results, so my question who are doctors is related to their backrounds, in meaning their education, experience in which area, like Plastics surgery, general surgery, Dermathology, or whatever....

As we know, good education is base for every success in some area, as it's base, as think not so ok surgery perform dr. Urologist, dr. Psychologist, dr. Diabetologist, etc etc. , as in some of hair mill clinics, doctor who is in front of those clinics has no any connection to surgery, but absolute different area, and he acts like a dr. XX who "perform" HT surgery, think no one patient with cardio problems, will  like to hear that his cardio surgery will perform some dr. Dermathologist, instead dr. Cardio-srugeon.

I say this, casue as more researched, more realized, that allaround are many doctors, who just participated in some courses of HT surgery, or worked with some famous HT surgeon, but in that case if no real education at least in any kind of surgery, as some of doctors from list - table i'll post here, for ex. worked in General surgery, in Thoracic surgery, etc. , such doctors can easy adapt to surgey as HT, as worked with much more complicated srugery areas, but if doctors only had some short courses, or non-formal educations by working in some clinics and learned by colleague, did you think it's enough?

In this case, we can say technician who work 5-10 years with famous doctor like dr. Lorenzo, Bisanga, almost have knowledge, like doctor who didn't specialize at least 3-4y in some hospital's surgery, of any surgery area... As docotr who is just graduated general Medicine, has no much experience to perform surgery, if really by formal education didn't practice surgery and got speciaization in some surgery area.

I say this, cause there is just regular doctor - medicine doctor, or in some countries called doctors of general practice, without any kind specialization oficial, as oficial specizalizations in Medicine, usual take 2-4 years depend of country, and it's oficial, to get status of specialist doctor of some area, like spec. Cardio-surgeon, spec. Plastics surgeon, and what's nearest to this HT area is specialization in Plastics surgery, or any other kind surgery experience think is good.

So, would like hear your opinion about this theme, do you think is enough doctor who only graduacted 4-5y faculty of Medicine, without specialzation in any surgery area, perform these HT surgeries, only based on learning in some private clinics, like first assist main doctor, and then by 2-3y, open himself/herself clinics and offer HT surgery services?

Maybe i'm more than other suspicios and careful, and watch things by more sides than need, but ok, it's forum, open discussion ,, and all we can say our opinions ...  I say , cause in area where i work, some job can't perform engineer other area, but only specialized engineer for specific project area. 

Here is about our lifes, heads, as engineer's mistakes can fix by money, payment of mistakes, but if doctors not well educated, mistakes sometimes can't be repaired and money will not help .

Used @Portugal25 nice table as reference for "top" doctors table, from his thread

all credits go to @Portugal25 for his great work, and sure if he agree about using his table as reference, if not, i'll delete my table with "top" doctors education table.

Would like hear your opinions on this theme, what you think is education very important, or you'll accept even it's doctor only doctor of Medicine - bacis education , 4-6 years 1st level university education  - doctor of general practice, and not have formal education in any area of surgery, but just non-formal education by practice in work of private clinics like assisting main doctor?

 

 

P.S.

These information about education found mostly by googling, from different sources like ISHRS, websites of doctors, etc. , and all are oficial informations. List is long, and when open photo, use bigger ZOOM to be able read education of all doctors.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by blackislback
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[Melvin- Admin]

Some really good information here thanks for putting this together

[blackislback]

Tnx for suggestion, will remove red, and put some other or white leave, added diff colors to distinguish coloumns.

[blackislback]

5 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Some really good information here thanks for putting this together

Tnx, yes , idea was just to add informations about education what we call here at HRN "top" HT surgeons, and based on it just to think will do our HT, as usual when vi visit doctors for some other Medicine area, we check their backround, education, experience, their work, to know who will do our surgery, think it's important...

And sure if anyone think we need some other HT surgeons, based on their good results, experiences post here, and i'll modify list.

[ITA]

@blackislbackExcellent information, I would say that between you and the member @Portugal25,  On this forum a new member who is approaching the world of transplants for the first time can know all the information he needs.

[ITA]

6 minutes ago, david2708 said:

The great unknown a lot of the time is the qualification of the so-called 'technicians' who can end up doing most of the work depending on the clinic. The qualification of the Dr is well and good, but a big question will be how much of the surgery is he actually doing.

As he is the Dr, you would hope the technicians would be trained up registered nurses as you would in a surgical procedure but as we know that is not the case in most settings.

Most of the top surgeons usually have technicians who have been by their side for many years, not like hair mills, who hire new technicians, when they have 15/20 procedures scheduled in their clinics for that day.

[Portugal25]

14 hours ago, blackislback said:

As i'm new here at HRN, and used HRN much to educate myself, i mean learned much by HRN members like @Egy, @MachoVato, @Portugal25 ,  @Melvin- Moderator, and many other, if continue count i'm afraid will forget someone, so my apologize, if didn't added rest of members helped me much to understand this matter about HT, hairloss, levels of hairloss like norwood-hamilton, good clinics, top clinics, bad clinics, hair mill clinics, all those learned here, and by my adittional research allaround....

Thought about 1 thing last days, as i'm near to decide which clinic/doctor to choose, probably some of top 5 in Turkey, as mentioned ago main reason is my private life's situation, and can't wait 12-18x months for some clinics like dr. Lorenzo, which by opinion is one of best, dr. Bisanga too, and cause of some other complications, flights, but mostly cause of long waiting list, so thing what about i thought, is "who" are these "top" doctors which perform these not so simple HT surgeries, when i say "who" not mean, only their results, websites, prices, social networks, as you know that not all failed cases will be posted at this forum, as not all people who get HT by some of "top" doctors-clinics post at HRN, and some of cases we'll never know, mostly here post members who were active before their HT, trying get here experience, help, how to choose etc. , and in respect of HRN help, get back with results, so my question who are doctors is related to their backrounds, in meaning their education, experience in which area, like Plastics surgery, general surgery, Dermathology, or whatever....

As we know, good education is base for every success in some area, as it's base, as think not so ok surgery perform dr. Urologist, dr. Psychologist, dr. Diabetologist, etc etc. , as in some of hair mill clinics, doctor who is in front of those clinics has no any connection to surgery, but absolute different area, and he acts like a dr. XX who "perform" HT surgery, think no one patient with cardio problems, will  like to hear that his cardio surgery will perform some dr. Dermathologist, instead dr. Cardio-srugeon.

I say this, casue as more researched, more realized, that allaround are many doctors, who just participated in some courses of HT surgery, or worked with some famous HT surgeon, but in that case if no real education at least in any kind of surgery, as some of doctors from list - table i'll post here, for ex. worked in General surgery, in Thoracic surgery, etc. , such doctors can easy adapt to surgey as HT, as worked with much more complicated srugery areas, but if doctors only had some short courses, or non-formal educations by working in some clinics and learned by colleague, did you think it's enough?

In this case, we can say technician who work 5-10 years with famous doctor like dr. Lorenzo, Bisanga, almost have knowledge, like doctor who didn't specialize at least 3-4y in some hospital's surgery, of any surgery area... As docotr who is just graduated general Medicine, has no much experience to perform surgery, if really by formal education didn't practice surgery and got speciaization in some surgery area.

I say this, cause there is just regular doctor - medicine doctor, or in some countries called doctors of general practice, without any kind specialization oficial, as oficial specizalizations in Medicine, usual take 2-4 years depend of country, and it's oficial, to get status of specialist doctor of some area, like spec. Cardio-surgeon, spec. Plastics surgeon, and what's nearest to this HT area is specialization in Plastics surgery, or any other kind surgery experience think is good.

So, would like hear your opinion about this theme, do you think is enough doctor who only graduacted 4-5y faculty of Medicine, without specialzation in any surgery area, perform these HT surgeries, only based on learning in some private clinics, like first assist main doctor, and then by 2-3y, open himself/herself clinics and offer HT surgery services?

Maybe i'm more than other suspicios and careful, and watch things by more sides than need, but ok, it's forum, open discussion ,, and all we can say our opinions ...  I say , cause in area where i work, some job can't perform engineer other area, but only specialized engineer for specific project area. 

Here is about our lifes, heads, as engineer's mistakes can fix by money, payment of mistakes, but if doctors not well educated, mistakes sometimes can't be repaired and money will not help .

Used @Portugal25 nice table as reference for "top" doctors table, from his thread

all credits go to @Portugal25 for his great work, and sure if he agree about using his table as reference, if not, i'll delete my table with "top" doctors education table.

Would like hear your opinions on this theme, what you think is education very important, or you'll accept even it's doctor only doctor of Medicine - bacis education , 4-6 years 1st level university education  - doctor of general practice, and not have formal education in any area of surgery, but just non-formal education by practice in work of private clinics like assisting main doctor?

 

 

P.S.

These information about education found mostly by googling, from different sources like ISHRS, websites of doctors, etc. , and all are oficial informations. List is long, and when open photo, use bigger ZOOM to be able read education of all doctors.

 

 

@blackislbackI fully agree with you and thank you for this valuable information.

If you don’t mind I will add another column on my table to include these observations. 

Thanks

[blackislback]

10 minutes ago, Portugal25 said:

@blackislbackI fully agree with you and thank you for this valuable information.

If you don’t mind I will add another column on my table to include these observations. 

Thanks

You are welcome, and thanks for your great work for inital table, sure you can add this my adittional coloumn - EDUCATION to your table, to have all in one place is more nice and on comprensive way .

I am just sometimes a cautious person, who wants to examine all sides of what will do in soon future, and think education+experience of 1 doctor, called "top" or whatever, is important part to know, his backround, skills, education, to make easier decision who will allow to work about our head ... As all of us like to get surgery by doctor who after MD graduate, ger some specialization in some of surgery areas, or at least had longer experience in some hospitals, clinics with good repuation and there get sepcialization.

[blackislback]

3 hours ago, Egy said:

Most of the top surgeons usually have technicians who have been by their side for many years, not like hair mills, who hire new technicians, when they have 15/20 procedures scheduled in their clinics for that day.

Nice and accurately said. At "top" doctors/clinics, mostly main doctors, for ex. dr. Bisanga, Ferduini, dr. Bicer, or anyone other from "top" doctors, do mostly main part of surgery , like extraction (to avoid damage grafts by technicians) and opening channels mostly do main doctors too, as that's too very important part , and some of doctors do part of implanting graft, and sometimes rest do technicians, as when well extracted grafts and well opened channels on head, implanting is less dificult, and this way usual lead to solid results.

[blackislback]

3 hours ago, david2708 said:

The great unknown a lot of the time is the qualification of the so-called 'technicians' who can end up doing most of the work depending on the clinic. The qualification of the Dr is well and good, but a big question will be how much of the surgery is he actually doing.

As he is the Dr, you would hope the technicians would be trained up registered nurses as you would in a surgical procedure but as we know that is not the case in most settings.

At top doctors/clinics usual is practice, that even technician alo attend serious courses, education in-house or at certified institutes for education for ex. about FUE, or other technics, and some of dr. like dr. Bisanga, and few other, visit other clinics and educate their stuff, think no one top doctor/clinics will allow himself to work with uneducated/unexperienced technicians, as they are their "right" hand, and cause of reputation they will not allow such employees, at some top clinics like Egy wrote some of tehnician work 5-10 years with same doctor, and they get by their doctors education too.

And like posted in previous reply to Egy, at top clinics technicians mostly don't perform most important parts of HT surgery, but usual those which not so critical, and even that part they do under monitoring of main doctor, that makes difference between hair mill and top doctors/clinics, and by that way can make difference hair mill vs. top doctors/clinics.

And btw there is not always qualification of Dr. "well and good" , check x hair mill clinics and you'll see qualifications of doctors, there is doctors who absolute have no any experience in surgery, no specialization, or any degree of eduaction in surgery, else some courses, trainings, 1-2x, and then such doctor perform surgery on your head, and you see 3-4 hair grafts  - multi-grafts on front of your head, hairline , and x other examples... That's why still important we check education of doctors and experience, even those top doctors-clinics, and between them 20s to choose one which by our opinion is best choice for us, sure if more members provide, more informations about other doctors results, member @Portugal25 can expand his table, and add new doctors, and i can check their education-experience, and add info.

Sure all we can make mistakes of declaring some doctors as "top", but that's why this forum exist, as here some doctors/clinics were in recommended list, but cause of later poor results, less care about patients, more bad stories of patients and after-care, bad results, removed from that list, at HRN primacy is on quality, results, facts, and that's why @Portugal25 made his list, and i made this table, just to contribute in some way to get more quality choice for all HRN members , by providing more informations, more views of future choice docotrs.