Tom Rch Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Hi I have a peculiar question that I haven't found the response for anywhere else I have a lot of thick hair(33y) but had a norwood 2.5 hairline so I've been on finasteride for 10 years and had a HT to close the hairline a bit over four years ago for around 1300 grafts in Europe. Everything went excellent , until july 2020 the problem is that since then I had a sudden hair fall of ONLY transplanted hairs out of the blue within a few days on the following occasions: 1- On July 2020 of one section of the right corner hairline hair fell(thinned) 2-On August some transplanted hairs of the left center hairline fell 3-On September the middle of the right hairline thinned 4-On december the left corner of the hairline fell completely 5-Early March 2021 within a few days areas of the entire right side of the hairline (which looked perfectly full and recovered already)thinned out overall The hair grows back without an issue, in all areas, I am wondering what the cause is, I have a lot of grey hair and some transplanted hairs grow back grey too. I was specific to mention the areas of hair fall, because it seems that different sections fell at different times and regrew , but not one exact section went through the sudden loss of hair twice so far Could be wishful thinking but I thought that perhaps the reason of this is that hair cycle of all the transplanted hairs is reset to a similar timing once they are transplanted, and now 4 years or so later of anagen phase, they all go into the telogen, exogen phase within a very close time window of each other and hence what I am experiencing Does that make sense? I'd appreciate to hear what you experts think Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TorontoMan Posted March 17, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tom Rch said: Hi I have a peculiar question that I haven't found the response for anywhere else I have a lot of thick hair(33y) but had a norwood 2.5 hairline so I've been on finasteride for 10 years and had a HT to close the hairline a bit over four years ago for around 1300 grafts in Europe. Everything went excellent , until july 2020 the problem is that since then I had a sudden hair fall of ONLY transplanted hairs out of the blue within a few days on the following occasions: 1- On July 2020 of one section of the right corner hairline hair fell(thinned) 2-On August some transplanted hairs of the left center hairline fell 3-On September the middle of the right hairline thinned 4-On december the left corner of the hairline fell completely 5-Early March 2021 within a few days areas of the entire right side of the hairline (which looked perfectly full and recovered already)thinned out overall The hair grows back without an issue, in all areas, I am wondering what the cause is, I have a lot of grey hair and some transplanted hairs grow back grey too. I was specific to mention the areas of hair fall, because it seems that different sections fell at different times and regrew , but not one exact section went through the sudden loss of hair twice so far Could be wishful thinking but I thought that perhaps the reason of this is that hair cycle of all the transplanted hairs is reset to a similar timing once they are transplanted, and now 4 years or so later of anagen phase, they all go into the telogen, exogen phase within a very close time window of each other and hence what I am experiencing Does that make sense? I'd appreciate to hear what you experts think Thank You Yes this was brought up yesterday by another person. Look up Anagen synchronization, your hairs are all likely shedding as they’ve entered the telegen phase together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member EvoXOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 17, 2021 I wonder how common this is. The thought of all my transplanted hair falling out every 4 years is terrifying. Yeah it grows back but who wants to go through the ugly duckling phase every few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Navthedon Posted March 25, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 25, 2021 This is EXACTLY what I am going through and it scared the hell out of me. Im surprised it hasn't been mentioned as much (that you'll effectively go through an ugly duckling phase every 4 years (give or take). I am hoping it will thicken up but my Dr told me it'll take a few more month. Nervous time for me. If it does Ill have to have surgery again (which I don't want) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ciaus Posted March 25, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 25, 2021 Do you have any pics? Interesting how we have some recurring themes that run towards the conclusion of hair restoration futility. How many actual accounts per user are making the posts is anybody's guess. From the terrified-ing anti-finasteride crowd, saw someone bumping a months-old thread yesterday where a guy was thinking fin was causing insomnia to suggest they try buying a new blanket. The ones where the hairs permanently fall out after a few years without evidence have dried out recently. Wondering if hairs being permanently out of sync is going to be the new bugaboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Navthedon Posted March 26, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 26, 2021 I put up a post last week on this page, You’ll easily find it. I posted some pics on there. How about you? Do you have any pics and when did you notice this “shedding”? Is it improving? I’ve been told to wait 3-4 months before any signs of improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ciaus Posted March 26, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 26, 2021 14 hours ago, Navthedon said: I put up a post last week on this page, You’ll easily find it. I posted some pics on there. How about you? Do you have any pics and when did you notice this “shedding”? Is it improving? I’ve been told to wait 3-4 months before any signs of improvement Doesn't look like we're going to get a reply from the guy that started the thread. He joined the same day he created this topic and hasn't been back since. And it was two days AFTER you started your topic with pictures, so you were probably his 'inspiration.' My antenna goes up when I see suspicious stuff like this. Probably a troll or somebody bitter from a bad transplant trying to spread their misery by encouraging paranoia. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TommyLucchese Posted March 26, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 26, 2021 I remember a post from Spex about "seasonal shedding" but haven't heard too much about it in recent times... sometimes my hair does go through periods where it looks thin but it always thickens back up. This thread seems to be talking about something much more severe that I haven't encountered in the 9 years since my HT. Apparently my new hairline fell out twice and grew back without me knowing...? 2,000 grafts FUT Dr. Feller, July 27th 2012. 23 years old at the time. Excellent result. Need crown sorted eventually but concealer works well for now. Propecia and minoxidil since 2010. Fine for 8 years - bad sides after switching to Aindeem in 2018. Switched to topical fin/minox combo from Minoxidil Max in October 2020, along with dermarolling 1x a week. Wrote a book for newbies called Beating Hair Loss, available on Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rch Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 Ciaus you have a sense of humor It seems to be growing back but it is very worrisome , I hope it is the anagen synchronization Torontoman mentioned and that in my case a bunch of hairs together went through it at the same time therefore having a dramatic effect. I do remember researching last year about Spex comments on seasonal shedding but seeing the irregularity as it happened in different months and only affecting the HT area but looks like it is unlikely the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ciaus Posted March 27, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Tom Rch said: Ciaus you have a sense of humor I'm being serious here. Guys coming to this forum for help with their hairloss are often stressed, and more vulnerable to nonsense suggestions and crackpot theories. Every person reading this topic, and other topics like it, should be very skeptical when no evidence like a picture history is provided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rch Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 Sure I see your point it is still funny Some of us may want to protect our privacy for certain reasons and don't post pictures. No one is trying to scare people away, perhaps you quickly perceive it that way. I had the HT 4 years ago and it worked great, I do recommend it, the only issue is the transplanted hair fell over over the last several months. It is regrowing fully though , let's see if it is what Torontoman mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ciaus Posted March 27, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Tom Rch said: Sure I see your point it is still funny Your replies are painting enough of a picture. I'll keep repeating: Every person reading this topic, and other topics like it, should be very skeptical when no evidence like a picture history is provided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rch Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Don't be touchy is not about you my friend Navthedon seems to be going through as well just like possibly others that don't post. Your logic of anyone with privacy concerns and who doesn't spend that much time in here should be ignored and not taken seriously is very obtuse, irrational and emotional Any one with knowledge regading anagen sychronization would really be of help Edited March 27, 2021 by Tom Rch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member caricatura Posted March 27, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Tom Rch said: Don't be touchy is not about you my friend Navthedon seems to be going through as well just like possibly others that don't post. Your logic of anyone with privacy concerns and who doesn't spend that much time in here should be ignored and not taken seriously is very obtuse, irrational and emotional Any one with knowledge regading anagen sychronization would really be of help Don’t mind ciaus, he gets touchy any time someone posts ambivalent information or their worries about HTs, then tries to dispel their posts by claiming they’re on shill accounts. It makes little sense; in fact, there is more incentive (a multi-billion dollar industry) for people to post positive HT stories on here than negative. However, as I see it, the more information—good or bad—the more transparent and helpful to the community. After all, this is a relatively historically novel procedure, and people’s bodies will, especially over time, react differently to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Navthedon Posted March 28, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 6:04 PM, ciaus said: Your replies are painting enough of a picture. I'll keep repeating: Every person reading this topic, and other topics like it, should be very skeptical when no evidence like a picture history is provided. Exactly, with so many hundreds of thousands of HT, where are all the picture of this 3-4 year shedding and (more importantly) the picture of the regrowth (back to full density as regularly discussed). I’ve been trawling this site and the internet and cannot find anything. That’s strange ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member WildBlueberry Posted March 28, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 28, 2021 Do you have pictures showing the full areas then another after the thinning? You must have a very good eye to catch this. Or maybe it’s drastic enough? I’m very curious to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Navthedon Posted March 29, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 29, 2021 I did post a separate topic in this section regarding my thinning (with pics). Just search by username Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Navthedon Posted March 30, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 10:48 PM, WildBlueberry said: Do you have pictures showing the full areas then another after the thinning? You must have a very good eye to catch this. Or maybe it’s drastic enough? I’m very curious to see you can see the from pic has become very "see through" - not sure but I think there are small hairs coming back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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