Dr. Glenn Charles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 38 year old patient who was requesting added density to the frontal 2/3 of thinning area. Dr. Glenn Charles is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wanthairs Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I guess assuming he had full growth he must have very poor hair characteristics because it barely looks any better in the after pctures, espeically as the lighting is much darker in those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hdude46 Posted July 1, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2009 I agree....this guy looks barely any better than before. I respect you dr. charles, and I know you used to work with dr shapiro who might be the best in the biz, but this result is in my opinion, terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member thanatopsis_awry Posted July 1, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2009 The top-down, on a diffuse thinner especially, really tells the tale; here, I dunno, it looks closer to 2k than 4+ IMHO. He def looks better to me, but it just doesn't seem like full growth. ----------- *A Follicles Dying Wish To Clinics* 1 top-down, 1 portrait, 1 side-shot, 1 hairline....4 photos. No flash. Follicles have asked for centuries, in ten languages, as many times so as to confuse a mathematician. Enough is enough! Give me documentation or give me death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PLEASE GROW PLEASE Posted July 1, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2009 What happens alot in surgery is the new hair replaces the existing hair. If he wasnt on propecia and the hair was already weak then it was more then likely permanently shocked out. You would be surprised how many results on here looked like this if the clinic showed a topdown shot. Dr Meija ,Rassman , and many more is good at avoiding those shots as they dont want the true story told . I at least give credit to this doc for showing us this shot from above. Also a doc who once worked with or for another doctor will not guarantee the same type of results. Its the techs that make or break a surgery. Sharon Keene also worked with Shapiro and shes fantastic . I believe Charles works with Epstein now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted July 1, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2009 Any plans by this patient to correct the rest of the top? Doesn't look like 4k? Another 3k might be enough (staying out of the crown) take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aska Posted July 1, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 1, 2009 I doesn't like this resullt, poor HT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest comb Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 ?¤his must be the result of the first session, I'm guessing not more than 2000. Dr Charles can you clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member realhair Posted July 2, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted July 2, 2009 Sorry Dr. Charles but for 4000 plus grafts this is not very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Glenn Charles Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 My Bad guys. This was the result after the first procedure. This case was not supposed to be entered until results of second procedure were obtained. Dr. Glenn Charles is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PLEASE GROW PLEASE Posted July 6, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted July 6, 2009 Dr Charles ,Do you use the same techs as Eppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 No please, Dr. Charles is an independent doctor, why do they keep comparing him to Eppy? Dr.Eppy is done.kaputz. Give Dr.Charles a break. He is a good guy. You guys are funny.Dr.Eppy was even taken out of here. Dr.Charles is in.What happened to Eppy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member M1A1 Posted August 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted August 19, 2009 PGP, Can you clarify your statement that it is the techs that make or break a surgery? Thanks, My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Ron Shapiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 M1A, Ultimately, it takes a staff of experienced and skilled people (surgeon and technicains) to make a hair transplant successful. The technicians play a major role in the procedure. While the surgeon harvests the strip, closes the wound, and makes all the recipient incisions - the technicians sliver and trim follicular units under microscopes and place all the grafts into recipient sites. The mishandling of grafts is the number one cause of less than optimal growth. Since all members of the team handle grafts, it's critical that all team players are on their game. I hope this helps. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member M1A1 Posted August 20, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted August 20, 2009 Bill, Thanks. I guess than the traveling techs that go from one suregon to the other would be inferior in consistent performance and thus, they would have no continuity or experience in working with each other or the surgeon. In terms of probability of positive outcome, the loser would be the patient and the winner would be the doctor due to on time management of labor cost. No? What do you think Bill? Again thanks Bill. Hey PGP, what's your take? Am I off base here. Thanks, My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Ron Shapiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 M1a1, I couldn't have said it better myself... In my opinion, using traveling technicians puts hair transplant patients at unnecessary risk. Traveling technicians are usually part timers who are usually far less experienced with no allegiance to one particular hair restoration surgeon. They also can't be held accountable in the event of a problem because they disappear just as fast as they come. Ultimately, it takes a staff of experienced and skilled people working together as a team to ensure the success of a hair transplant. Thus in my opinion, adding a less experienced part time technician with no experience with a particular surgeon or staff could break the necessary cohesiveness it takes to ensure patients get the best results. A lack of teamwork can put patients at unnecessary risk of potential problems. Ultimately, if one cog in the wheel isn't functioning properly, the whole mechanism can break down. Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that physicians who use traveling technicians can't do quality work. However, I believe it creates additional and unnecessary risks that as a patient, I wouldn't be comfortable with. Thus, in my opinion, the only real benefit to using traveling technicians is the reduced costs the clinic incurs while performing the procedure. Just my two cents... Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Gilbert Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Hello, In reference to the Independent Hair Transplant Technicians. We are not mill tech's (large company's who move tech's state to state with low pay, poor wages, and poor travel conditions. Which does makes for poor job performance. These technicians and doctors are not monitored for quality control.) Please qualify whom you are referring to. I have over 20 years experience, trained by top doctors in the Hair Transplant Field and also have the privilege to still be working with them when needed. As far as creating risks we are at the top of the field in technology and skill, along with cost we are far more expensive. Only a doctor who's concern for the patient is number 1 and needs more staff will employ an Independent Hair Transplant Technician. Local staff with less experience are much more cost effective, if your doctor is only looking at the bottom line. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Mindy, My above post was a general precaution and the additional risks that come along with using traveling technicians. Nowhere did I say anything about specific people nor did I say that surgeons using traveling technicians can't produce optimal work. I made this clear by the above statement that I posted below for your reference: "Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that physicians who use traveling technicians can't do quality work." I do however, believe it's more risky and takes additional quality control methods. Even if you and other traveling technicians work full time and are just as skilled as full time technicians working under a single surgeon, building teamwork and cohesiveness sometimes takes time. Thus, putting new people into the mix can confuse the process without additional quality control practices. I do however, disagree with this statement: "As far as creating risks we are at the top of the field in technology and skill, along with cost we are far more expensive. Only a doctor who's concern for the patient is number 1 and needs more staff will employ an Independent Hair Transplant Technician." This is far too broad and makes it sound like doctors who've hired a full time staff does inferior work to those who employ traveling technicians as needed. Most leading surgeons employ a full time staff to promote cohesive teamwork and familiarity. The trust built betwee physician and technician takes time, but once developed, allows a concerned physician to breathe easier knowing qualified and experienced hands are carefully handling the grafts. Full time regular technicians promote a streamlines process that works like a well oiled machine. You may very well be highly skilled and experience. But are you seriously suggesting I'm incorrect in saying that physicians need to employ additional quality control practices to ensure optimal results? You don't think adding new people into the mix all the time (skilled or not) can't possibly confuse things? Your very words in the email you sent me earlier today prove my point about adding additional quality control practices. "I was recently at Dr. Cooleys office in Charlotte, the staff was more attentive to my work to assure their standards were being meet." Dr. Cooley and his staff employed additional quality control practices to ensure you (his traveling technician) was doing work up to their standards. Now imagine how much additional work a physician would have if he used all traveling technicians all the time? Again, I'm not saying physicians who employ traveling technicians do inferior work. Nor am I suggesting that all traveling technicians are inexperienced and inferior. However, in my opinion, there are additional risks of using traveling technicians and quality physicians utilizing them must be prepared to add additional quality control practices to ensure the patient gets optimal results. All the Best, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Gilbert Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Hello, The statement concerning Dr. Cooley referred to your words saying our work is not monitored. My work was reviewed by the surgeon at the start. I have letters of reference that are go before me. We are hired as an addition to the hair transplant doctors team. To help with additional case's, team members not available. You continue to insinuate that we are not part of the team. There is a trust built between (ps-this is how you spell between, these are the details, we don't miss) the doctors and staff. We are all like family. I'm not quite sure where your spin is coming from. We are always a welcomed addition when we are called, because of our skill we are part of that well oiled machine. Have you had any surgical room experience? I mean no insult but your putting out miss information. Thank you, Mindy Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Mindy, You said, "Hello, The statement concerning Dr. Cooley referred to your words saying our work is not monitored". If you're going to make accusations, please back them up with proof. Where did I say that the work of traveling technicians is not monitored? Are you even reading my words or are you seeing what you want to see to start an argument? You are being far too defensive and aren't reading my words carefully and objectively. Like everyone else, I am entitled to my opinion on the matter. Go back and re-read what I wrote and try to be objective. Then we can talk. As for my experience, I'm a 4 time knowledgable and researched hair transplant patient, the Associate Publisher and moderator of this community, have discussed various procedures and philosophies with dozens of leading hair transplant clinics, and observed surgeries in person and via video. You are making this a black and white issue Mindy whereas I'm not. My opinion is and remains that additional risks exist using traveling technicians. As long as these risks are understood and properly handled, I believe patients can still have optimal results. Best regards, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member vincehair Posted September 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted September 8, 2009 All the Hair Tech stuff aside,this guys HT was a total waste of time. Id rather shave bald then have crypt keeper hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 Mindy and one more thing... You may disagree with my opinion and that is your right. But know that my opinion is shared by many including several leading hair restoration physicians I've discussed this with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Gilbert Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 regarding the derogatory statements about traveling techs: 1) I will concede that I am unable to comment regarding being an HT patient as I haven't had this surgery 2) I will concede that i do not have an opinion regarding being the surgeon performing the HT's as I am not an MD or DO 3) I will concede that some HT tech staffing companies send techs that I wouldn't even consider hiring which creates a large turnover and brand new faces. 4) The surgeons we work with are generally brand new to the HT field. Each time they schedule a weeks worth of surgeries with us, they get the same team which creates a cohesive environment. My question is this: 1) Would you as a patient prefer a brand new doctor who attended a few conventions to perform your HT? Or would you prefer a novice physician to hire experienced technicians who've performed well over 4000 cases each? In our business, we never send a team of techs with less than five years of daily experience. We do not hire unexperienced techs. We also maintain a team leader for each procedure ensuring quality control. With this leader specifying each of techs roll in the surgery, we are confident of not only the quality of performance but also the streamlined efficiency that makes the patients experience a pleasure. Ps: this is DK from www.dkhairtechs.com and Mindy is one the greatest team leaders. I've enjoyed this exchange of opinions greatly and look forward to your response. Sincerely, Denise Kernan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindy Gilbert Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hello, As a patient I'm sure your intentions are noble. The email that was sent to your personal address that included a physicians name you did not print in full. The rest of that email invited you as a patient with limited years exposure in the Hair Restoration field an opportunity to incorporate the surgical technicians experience. Wether we are traveling technicians or located in one office. Speaking personally I have trained doctors that are on your web site. Most doctors who specialize in Hair Transplant Surgery depend on traveling technicians, by traveling our skills stay consistent. All my best, Mindy Gilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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