Lawsuit and Experience with Virginia Surgical Center

[HappyMan2021]

30 minutes ago, Michael D said:

Just wish me luck that it is a good operation. All that I ask.

I havent heard back from an email I sent to a previous customer. I even gave him my cell.

Just wish me luck.

Thanks

you don't even know the name of the doctor performing your surgery. And there are no doctors on the Virginia Surgical website. If this doesn't make you run for the hills then nothing will.

[Al - Moderator]

On 12/17/2022 at 10:42 PM, Michael D said:

How can they stay in business if all of their work is bad? How can they keep the offices open?

 

From your own thinking and posts here you should be able to figure out why they can stay in business. It's because there are enough people like you who insist on going there anyway even after finding out they are not good.

[Al - Moderator]

On 12/17/2022 at 11:12 PM, Michael D said:

They WILL NOT be able to remove MY review if it is a bad one.

 

They probably don't care. If you think you will just sue them if it doesn't come out good, that rarely ever works, especially with bad clinics. I went through it years ago with another unrelated clinic. They will delay the lawsuits as long as possible. The place I went to even sued themselves (each other) in order to delay any other lawsuits going forward because their related internal lawsuit had to be decided before any others could continue. Do you think they were in any hurry to settle the bogus lawsuits between themselves? Of course not. It was all part of their con. Once we were finally granted the right to move forward, they went out of business and opened a new hair transplant company the same day with a new name. At that point we had to file a new suit (i think an addendum or something maybe. I don't remember) trying to claim that the new company is really the out of business company and our suit should go on against the new company. Eventually that was cleared to continue and they just did the same thing again... go out of business and restart a new hair transplant company. Each time they would make a small change to who were the ones heading the company/founding partners. The first time the oldest one retired and they replaced him with someone else who had been working for them for a while. Then they changed some titles and who was in charge of which clinic as they had small chain of 4 or 5 of them. My lawsuit eventually ended because there were too many differences from the original company to still be considered the same. They did this for the next 25 to 30 years until they all eventually retired recently.

 

[Melvin- Admin]

8 minutes ago, BeHappy said:

 

They probably don't care. If you think you will just sue them if it doesn't come out good, that rarely ever works, especially with bad clinics. I went through it years ago with another unrelated clinic. They will delay the lawsuits as long as possible. The place I went to even sued themselves (each other) in order to delay any other lawsuits going forward because their related internal lawsuit had to be decided before any others could continue. Do you think they were in any hurry to settle the bogus lawsuits between themselves? Of course not. It was all part of their con. Once we were finally granted the right to move forward, they went out of business and opened a new hair transplant company the same day with a new name. At that point we had to file a new suit (i think an addendum or something maybe. I don't remember) trying to claim that the new company is really the out of business company and our suit should go on against the new company. Eventually that was cleared to continue and they just did the same thing again... go out of business and restart a new hair transplant company. Each time they would make a small change to who were the ones heading the company/founding partners. The first time the oldest one retired and they replaced him with someone else who had been working for them for a while. Then they changed some titles and who was in charge of which clinic as they had small chain of 4 or 5 of them. My lawsuit eventually ended because there were too many differences from the original company to still be considered the same. They did this for the next 25 to 30 years until they all eventually retired recently.

 

Also, many clinics have you sign paperwork that says results are not guaranteed, so this pretty much absolves them. 

[shiba1985]

Good luck. I didn’t mean to be negative. I hope u have good results.

we have just been around a long time and know the reality. And the odds … 

 

 

[HappyMan2021]

Just piggybacking off of everyone else, it will essentially be impossible to sue for a botched hair transplant. 

Unless you are physically injured in some freak accident during surgery- say you aren't monitored properly during surgery and fall into a coma, or the implantation goes way too deep and fractures your skull, etc. there is no chance of suing. Being "botched" (aesthetically butchered) won't be enough. 

Keeping a potential lawsuit and bad reviews up your sleeve sounds like a bad mindset to have as well. You should have trust and faith in a clinic, not be thinking "if it goes wrong I'm going to wage war on them". If you don't have trust and faith in a clinic, then you shouldn't go through with it. 

If you do indeed still have trust and faith in this clinic, well then I suppose I admire your ability to put your blinders on and ignore everything around you. 

Hair transplant surgery is nervewracking enough as it is, especially the days leading up to it - so I do genuinely feel bad that you can't just relax and trust the process. 

But you just need to have faith in the hair transplant community - a lot of people here really do know what they are talking about. 

If this was a C-list clinic, mediocre, average - everyone would be saying so. But trust me the forum regulars have seen botched hair transplants time and time again. The community here wouldn't universally be saying to not go through with this if there wasn't truth to it. 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by HappyMan2021

[Pbaird98]

@Michael DBro what’s occurring? You have deleted all the posts you made, did you go ahead with it or cancel? 

[HappyMan2021]

1 minute ago, Pbaird98 said:

@Michael DBro what’s occurring? You have deleted all the posts you made, did you go ahead with it or cancel? 

I forgot @Michael D's surgery is today!

Yes we absolutely need follow up on this. 

My intuition says he deleted the posts because he indeed go through with surgery.

[Pbaird98]

We need a update either way 🙏

[ray35]

Yeah @Michael D chime in brother, consider making a soild post detailing the experience and thoughts, if you ended up going with it.

[Pbaird98]

Just now, ray35 said:

Yeah @Michael D chime in brother, consider making a soild post detailing the experience and thoughts, if you ended up going with it.

If he did then I would hope he creates a thread, after all the discussion here then it would be the right thing to do. 

[Al - Moderator]

I hope he doesn’t think any of us are wishing him bad luck or are against him getting a good result. That is not the case although I can see it can seem like that to someone new who comes on here to post what clinic he is going to and then gets all these responses. If he did get the surgery then I hope it turns out well for him. 

[HappyMan2021]

give us an update please @Michael D

[Pbaird98]

Yeh it’s odd that he deleted all the posts, he was adamant he would be posting a review either way… 

@Michael D over to you 🙏

[stephcurry30]

I am hoping to GOD Mike did not go through with this procedure. @Michael D

If I saw this earlier I would of paid your 1000$ for you to cover your loss of 1k.

God why do scummy hair clinics like this exist. I just don't understand evil people and how they haven't been shut down yet. Absolutely pathetic. 

[Michael D]

Welp, its a few days after the surgery. Everything looking pretty good, so far. Would have been nice if anyone here would have wished me luck. Instead of telling me they hope I get what I deserve, or something like that?

This place Wishing a bad surgery on me???  not even atleast wishing me luck?....and I'm the bad guy??? or Virginia Surgical is the bad guy?? (You pushed me to go with Virginia Surgical, and made me question THIS place)

They ain't perfect at Virginia Surgical. There were some things, I think weren't true that they told me, and their pre and post-op care could be better. They have some things they need to work on. Once they got the money, I felt like I was a bother to them, and after the surgery, even more. Their bedside manner and follow-up after surgery could be better.

The bottom line is if the hair they transplanted stays and grows back. For me, that is a good surgery. Good enough surgery. And that I was able to afford it. Their bedside manner and the warm and fuzzy feel, that you don't get. I was fine with that. Kinda sucks though. They do not make you feel special or wanted, or appreciative of your business at all. If that is what you get for a cheaper price, I'm good.

I am not 100% sure that I got 2000 graphs. I took a pic of what I think were 1k graphs they took out. Later I saw another petri dish or whatever, that was about 3/4 the same as the other one. Then we started the insertion of the graphs. If I got close to 2k. I'm ok, as long as they stay, and grow back. This was much better than paying 20k dollars, which I could never afford, or justify. They should have shown me the 2k graphs, and told me it was 2k, at least. I dunno. I am not accusing them of doing less, but? I dunno?? It was pretty close.

It was a 12-hour surgery and I really appreciate their effort. It was tough for me to sit in the chair that long, with only one break. I can only imagine how hard it was for them. I could never do what they do for a living. Sit in a chair that long doing this type of work.

If they made one change, make you feel appreciated, and better "bedside" manner. Return a text message? With better customer service, I am sure they would have more good reviews and fewer unhappy ones.

In ending: There are 2 parts to a good hair transplant, I think? One is a good surgery, that is on them. The other is the patient doing good post-op. Take your pills, not touching your hair, stay out of the sun, spray the saline solution, and all that stuff. I have everything ready to stay in the house for the next week or so. That is a week and a half staying in the house total, and doing everything that I can to make this surgery a success. Maybe those bad reviews were from patients that did not do their part after the surgery???  If I would have paid 20k dollars I would have expected more. I paid much less. I'm good with what I got. I did sign a bunch of stuff. I don't know what I signed. Was like joining the Navy all over again, LOL!! I did take a lot of pictures. Pics there at the office (some I snuck), when I got home, the day after,... today...Gonna be what it's going to be.  I hope and think It's going to be a good outcome. I am going to do my part and do everything I can for a good outcome. If a good outcome. One that I am happy with. I am going to go back and have the back done next winter. 

Hoping that I can get some good wishes this time.

 

[Michael D]

Dont get me wrong. I am glad this place is here, and I wish I would have found it sooner. It is what it is, and I am hoping I get a good outcome from the surgery. Thank you everyone, and Merry Christmas.

[ray35]

59 minutes ago, Michael D said:

Dont get me wrong. I am glad this place is here, and I wish I would have found it sooner. It is what it is, and I am hoping I get a good outcome from the surgery. Thank you everyone, and Merry Christmas.

Hey Michael, yeah buddy Merry Christmas to you also! So you went ahead with it! Ok well congratulations, hope you tend to the grafts well in these early days and very much hope it was a good procedure! 

If you care to share the experience here I'd be interested in reading it, you sound pretty optimistic so that's good! Cheers!

[HappyMan2021]

1 hour ago, Michael D said:

Dont get me wrong. I am glad this place is here, and I wish I would have found it sooner. It is what it is, and I am hoping I get a good outcome from the surgery. Thank you everyone, and Merry Christmas.

@Michael D good to hear fron you! Hope the surgery went well.

Would be great if you could share your experience, any post op pictures, etc.

[Michael D]

Thanks guys! I have a post waiting to be approved. Telling more how it went. Merry Christmas to you both!

[Michael D]

35 minutes ago, ray35 said:

Hey Michael, yeah buddy Merry Christmas to you also! So you went ahead with it! Ok well congratulations, hope you tend to the grafts well in these early days and very much hope it was a good procedure! 

If you care to share the experience here I'd be interested in reading it, you sound pretty optimistic so that's good! Cheers!

Linda gave me a small can of Saline spray with some minerals or something in it. Told me 5 times a day. I had seen some other videos or something saying every 20 mins. I bought another can of saline spray and have been doing it every hour or so. Maybe more often? average about an hour? More often couldn't hurt?

I washed my hair first time yesterday. Baby shampoo with some water. Just poured it on. Waited a lil bit then rinsed with a cup of water a few times. Tap dry with a paper towel and let it air dry the rest of the way. Honestly, I think I got a pretty good job done. I hope.

A neat thing about the swelling. There isn't much, but it's there and has fallen down to my eyes now. I took my fingers and massaged the swelling away from my eyes and to the side. It worked!

 

[ray35]

Yep sounds like you're doing well... careful sleeping. It'll be uncomfortable the first seven days but best to just endure that. And keep spraying for at least 3 days is general rule of thumb. It keeps the crusts from drying out and potentially affecting grafts by sticking to them I beleive, that's the thought there.  

[Michael D]

1 minute ago, ray35 said:

Yep sounds like you're doing well... careful sleeping. It'll be uncomfortable the first seven days but best to just endure that. And keep spraying for at least 3 days is general rule of thumb. It keeps the crusts from drying out and potentially affecting grafts by sticking to them I beleive, that's the thought there.  

Sleep? What is that? lol! I get about 2 hours at a time. I got the neck pillow thing.

I'm going to spray the saline for a couple more days. The back of the head too. The salt is supposed to help heal too. Can't hurt spraying too much I guess. I'm going to do everything I can., my part of the surgery at home.

[Michael D]

Sorry I flipped out and erased my posts. I was very nervous and anxious, heck you name it and it was going on in my head. 

[stephcurry30]

4 hours ago, Michael D said:

Sorry I flipped out and erased my posts. I was very nervous and anxious, heck you name it and it was going on in my head. 

Can you provide any phoros?