Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Since this patient advocate forum by way of the Coaltion of Hair Transplant Surgeons, includes the highest esteemed surgeons, (and we can assume that any doctor not a Coalition doctor should be avoided), But what might be the doctors and their clinics that we should definitely never do business with at all costs?! take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Since this patient advocate forum by way of the Coaltion of Hair Transplant Surgeons, includes the highest esteemed surgeons, (and we can assume that any doctor not a Coalition doctor should be avoided), But what might be the doctors and their clinics that we should definitely never do business with at all costs?! take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Maxxy Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 (and we can assume that any doctor not a Coalition doctor should be avoided) I have to disagree because a doctor isn't among the coalition doctors on this site, that shouldn't mean he/she should be avoided. While most of the coalition doctors are among the best in the world, they pay to be listed in the coalition. There are a lot of highly respected doctors doing great work, but for whatever reason are not in the coalition - be it their choice or this site's. A doctor should be chosen on his merits and patient-feedback. The question as to which doctors should be avoided is a good one and I look forward to the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member AMR1 Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 If a Doctor is recommended on this site does that make them a member of the Coalition? 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) Sept 1996 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com'>https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) February 1998 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 2475 grafts FUT Dr Mohammed Humayun Mohmand (Pakistan) 27th January 2009 http://www.hti.com.pk 3550 Total Grafts (3000 rear donor area & 400 from beard and 150 breast area) FUE & PRP Treatment with Dr Emrah Cinik (ISHRS), Istanbul, Turkey. 10th October 2017 http://www.emrahcinik.com/ My Blog & Hair loss website story: https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Maxxy Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 No, there are a lot of doctors recommend on this site that are not in the coalition, the coalition doctors have paid a fee to be listed in that section. The coalition doctors have also been visited by Pat to be be reviewed - I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member AMR1 Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 I must say that I agree with Maxxy on this one 100%!! Originally posted by Maxxy:I have to disagree because a doctor isn't among the coalition doctors on this site, that shouldn't mean he/she should be avoided. While most of the coalition doctors are among the best in the world, they pay to be listed in the coalition. There are a lot of highly respected doctors doing great work, but for whatever reason are not in the coalition - be it their choice or this site's. A doctor should be chosen on his merits and patient-feedback. The question as to which doctors should be avoided is a good one and I look forward to the responses. 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) Sept 1996 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com'>https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) February 1998 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 2475 grafts FUT Dr Mohammed Humayun Mohmand (Pakistan) 27th January 2009 http://www.hti.com.pk 3550 Total Grafts (3000 rear donor area & 400 from beard and 150 breast area) FUE & PRP Treatment with Dr Emrah Cinik (ISHRS), Istanbul, Turkey. 10th October 2017 http://www.emrahcinik.com/ My Blog & Hair loss website story: https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairthere Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 DR. JOSEPH KARAMIKIAN in New York City. AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!!! I am the owner/operator of AHEAD INK a Scalp Micropigmentation Company in Fort Lee, New Jersey. www.aheadink.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairthere Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 "hairthere, Was Dr. Karamikian ABHRS certified?" mmhce, I'll answer this from the other thread here. honestly, i have been on these forums since 2006 and i'm not even sure what ABHRS certified means. he could have been. he did show me all types of awards. they meant nothing. the bottom line with an ht doc is doing plenty of research (advice i wish i had followed pre-karamikian). if he has a high online profile and tons of satisfied patients posting their results often, then your doc is probably a safe bet. I am the owner/operator of AHEAD INK a Scalp Micropigmentation Company in Fort Lee, New Jersey. www.aheadink.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Petchski Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Dr Kiely in Ireland has had a few past patients on here recently with little to no growth and higher prices than the elite! -------------------------------------- My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Feller Dr Feller Jan '09 2000 grafts Dr Lorenzo Dec '15 2222 grafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PLEASE GROW PLEASE Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 No, there are a lot of doctors recommend on this site that are not in the coalition, the coalition doctors have paid a fee to be listed in that section. Thats not exactly right as both pay a sponsorship fee. What these docs pay a year is about the same as what 1 patient would pay for a surgery. I think its a hell of a deal for the docs. Even the least popular doc on here gets at least ONE patient a year from this site and probably 10 or more. Stay away from all Illinois docs except for Konior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 There are a lot of highly respected doctors doing great work, but for whatever reason are not in the coalition - be it their choice or this site's. Maxxy, I am inclined to believe that you are right, since the surgeon must exhibit quality work, before submitting that to this forum, before admittance to the Coalition. So yes, because a surgeon is not on the Coalition, that does not negate the fact that he/she is producing quality work outside of that sphere. And then we must make a full circle, in that we must accept some risk in choosing a non-Coalition doctor, in order to aid building the reputation of such a doctor, before he/she can become a Coalition member. Does that make sense? take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member AMR1 Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 So does that mean that the patients are paying high price's for the doctors that are recommended in the Coalition? so this forum is promoting those doctors as they pay fee's towards being in the coalition? I think that Coalition or Non-Coalition Doctors should only be judged by there end results,patient reviews etc it does not make the superior or better doctor's just because they are part of the Coalition. Please note this is only my opinion I could be wrong if so please correct me 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) Sept 1996 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com'>https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) February 1998 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 2475 grafts FUT Dr Mohammed Humayun Mohmand (Pakistan) 27th January 2009 http://www.hti.com.pk 3550 Total Grafts (3000 rear donor area & 400 from beard and 150 breast area) FUE & PRP Treatment with Dr Emrah Cinik (ISHRS), Istanbul, Turkey. 10th October 2017 http://www.emrahcinik.com/ My Blog & Hair loss website story: https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member AMR1 Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Do you have a list of recommended doctors that have preformed well in the past but NOT part of the Coalition, it is only fair that they are also listed on this site as recommended doctors but as a non paying member of the Coalition 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) Sept 1996 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com'>https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 1600 grafts FUT Mr May (UK) February 1998 https://www.wimpoleclinic.com 2475 grafts FUT Dr Mohammed Humayun Mohmand (Pakistan) 27th January 2009 http://www.hti.com.pk 3550 Total Grafts (3000 rear donor area & 400 from beard and 150 breast area) FUE & PRP Treatment with Dr Emrah Cinik (ISHRS), Istanbul, Turkey. 10th October 2017 http://www.emrahcinik.com/ My Blog & Hair loss website story: https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 a list of recommended doctors that have preformed well in the past but NOT part of the Coalition, Interesting view point....a past year book of sorts. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ej Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hi MMHCE Avoid any clinic in Greece at all costs ! Greece is good for a holiday but not a hair transplant ! Go with a doc off here with plenty of good feedback ! Take care Ej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Maxxy Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Ah ok, I didn't realise non-coalition doctors were also paying a fee, but my oppinion still stands - doctors should not be avoided simply because they are not in the coalition, I would also like to point out that I was not saying anything against the site for charging doctors a fee to be in the coalition. On that note, could Bill or anyone who knows tell me if the fee is the same for recommened doctors as it is for coalition doctors (I'm just curious)? My surgeon, Dr. Pathomvanich, is not in the coalition, however he is highly respected by fellow surgeons and patients alike. There was a recent dicussion regarding him being recommended by this site Dr. Pathomvanich He is not a member of the coalition and until recently, was not recommened on this site. I did my research on Dr. Pathomvanich and came to the conclusion that he was an excellent doctor and highly respected, resulting in me having my surgery performed by him and his staff. My point is, Dr. Pathomvanich did not become a good doctor overnight. Just because he is not a member of the coalition it doesn't mean he should be avoided - or negate the fact he is an excellent surgeon. I'm sure there are other doctors the above would apply to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 My point is, Dr. Pathomvanich did not become a good doctor overnight. Just because he is not a member of the coalition it doesn't mean he should be avoided - or negate the fact he is an excellent surgeon. I'm sure there are other doctors the above would apply to. That's exactly what I am saying. But there must be a distinction between gray and black...those you are not recommended on the Hair Transplant Network, but are good surgeons. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PLEASE GROW PLEASE Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Doctor Path does have a good rep. When looking for WOW results on this site at least it usually comes from the coalition docs. One of my favorite clinic BHR is not on here also. So yes there are other docs out there that are really good but this they surely arent a dime a dozen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Maxxy Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 I personally wasn't suggesting they are a dime a dozen, simply that there are very good surgeons outside the coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ej Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Dr Pathomvanich is not in Greece , nor has he likely been there , so you should be ok Regards Ej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Wow, you really have a thing against Greece ej ... Dr. Pathomvanich practises in Thailand I believe. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member thanatopsis_awry Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 The more obvious hacks aside....docs that spring to mind that I'd caution people to *at the very least* do deep, detailed investigation into would be Armani (kinda obvious, actually, lol), Cole, and Umar. Just realized they are all big boys on the FUE scene.... ----------- *A Follicles Dying Wish To Clinics* 1 top-down, 1 portrait, 1 side-shot, 1 hairline....4 photos. No flash. Follicles have asked for centuries, in ten languages, as many times so as to confuse a mathematician. Enough is enough! Give me documentation or give me death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 19, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Just realized they are all big boys on the FUE scene.... "Big boys" as "pretending" to be good with FUE or majority of their works are FUE? take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 It's amazing how a thread like this can attract a lot of replies and quickly. Whereas I have no interest in providing a list of surgeons to avoid, I want to clear up a few misunderstandings. All surgeons recommended by this community are approved for recommendation based on providing state of the art hair transplant surgery with excellent results. Our standards for recommendation can be found by clicking here. Surgeons who have a longer and stronger proven track record of performing large densely packed megasessions of ultra refined follicular unit hair grafting are among the few invited into the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. To learn about the differences between surgeons who are recommended and members of the Coalition, click here. Both recommended and Coalition surgeons pay a sponsorship fee to help support and keep this community running. Surgeons don't charge more to their patients due to being recommended here however, the costs and fees vary from clinic to clinic. We run our community of doctors much like an elite educational university. Only those we prescreen and we feel meet our high standards are invited to join. Those who decide to join must pay a sponsorship fee much like students pay a tuition. The benefit of joining this community is obvious. Physicians who meet our standards and are approved for recommendation enjoy high levels of online visibility on our highly popular web community. Additionally, because we keep our standards high for the benefit of patients, our recommendations are credible. Surgeons who no longer produce consistent positive results are promptly removed from recommendation. Removing physicians for failing to continue to provide quality results consistently or not standing behind their patients can be equated to a student failing out of school or breaching their high standards of ethics. However, just because a surgeon is not recommended by this community, doesn't mean they are necessarily sub-par. Some quality surgeons simply choose not to participate in our community while others who we feel do not meet our standards have been turned down. Our community focuses on doctors who do quality work rather than the opposite, which is why we don't have a "black list" of sorts. Recommended or not, we feel it's in a patient's best interest to do their due diligence in researching all surgeons they are considering. Surgeons we recommend, must continue to do high quality work with consistent result and stand behind their patients to keep their recommendation or Coalition membership. I hope this helps answer some of the questions. See also, How We Recommend Hair Transplant Surgeons. Best wishes, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member thanatopsis_awry Posted February 19, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 19, 2009 Originally posted by mmhce:Just realized they are all big boys on the FUE scene.... "Big boys" as "pretending" to be good with FUE or majority of their works are FUE? The majority (if not all) of their work def is FUE, and I find them to be the biggest promoters of it (pound4pound). Armani I am certain I wouldn't let touch me even were *I* were the one getting paid. Cole has been steeped in controversy and has horrible transparency, and though I've seen some very good results and don't think it's impossible to get a great HT from him (which I don't think is even a possibility w/ Armani) I've heard various horror stories, as well. Umar turns me off by his lack of transparency, which I find especially troubling when dealing with *SUCH* a new, volatile way of doing HTs (re: body-hair-mega-FUE...including a big promotion of using nape hair). Also, and without calling a spade a spade....several of his most....vocal....passionate....patients....are an *extreme* turn-off to me after seeing how they operate over time on various forums. FWIW, if I had to bet I'd still say Umar is the king of BHT, but I'm not sure what that truly means (especially juxtaposed to people's expectations and his pitch). One man's opinion, and whether someone goes to any of the above I truly don't care insofar as I care for them taking the time to do exhaustive research and make a sound decision -- after that I just wish them the best like I'd wish any HT patient the best! ----------- *A Follicles Dying Wish To Clinics* 1 top-down, 1 portrait, 1 side-shot, 1 hairline....4 photos. No flash. Follicles have asked for centuries, in ten languages, as many times so as to confuse a mathematician. Enough is enough! Give me documentation or give me death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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