Senior Member Gettinold Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) So I have a 3" x 3" spot on my crown I was thinking of getting filled in (Also receding hairline I'd like to get reconstructed at some point), but there seems to be alot of differentials between doctors and how many "grafts" will be necessary. Upon looking at charts, etc. on the internet, I figured I'd probably need around 700 grafts to fix my crown. I had sent pics into a place (Link removed by moderator), and the doctor himself emailed me back, saying that I would need about 16-1800 grafts for the back...youch, I guess I was thinking, "hey I can spare $2-$2.5k to get this done now and worry about my hairline later"...Am I off base here? Any suggestions on where to get this done? Edited October 10, 2011 by TakingThePlunge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted October 9, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) Also, any opinions on any of these guys? October Special Scottsdale Institute for Cosmetic Dermatology Atlantis Hair Transplant (Link removed by moderator) Edited October 10, 2011 by TakingThePlunge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Levrais Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) Gettinold, The number of grafts someone needs will vary from person to person depending on hair characteristics and goals for density. But, 700 grafts for the crown would probably not be enough for the area you are describing and you're probably looking more money than you originally planned for. I would suggest clicking on the consult tab above and doing online consults with some of the docs on this forum to get an estimate. Also go to the patient website section and you will see hundreds of cases involving crown work. This should give you an idea of how much coverage you might expect. Edited October 9, 2011 by Levrais typo 5700 FUE in 3 procedures with Dr. Bisanga View my patient website: http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member horses12 Posted October 9, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 im a junior member but this is a great site to get info. in my opinion i would get on meds, propecia, etc for the crown to stabilize the area. also your age will play a part on what you do. you only have so much donor hair and your hair loss could progress over the years. i think on the crown being 3" x 3" i would convert to cm. i think there is about 2.5cm per inch so multiply 2.5 x 3 to get 7.5cm and then multiply 7.5 x 7.5 to get cm2.giving 56.25cm2 now come the density, you start at about 90 hair per cm2, you can go to about 50 hairs per cm2 before you start to notice thinning.now the number of grafts you would need in the crown will be less than the number of hairs, i.e. 2 hair grafts, 3 hair grafts,also if you go fue your expense goes up and your yield will probably be lower than fut procedure. but please check will others on this site that have probably forgot more that i know. but you made your first right decision by checking with this site. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member RCWest Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 Dr. Charles is an excellent doctor and recommended on this site. I didn't know he was affiliated with that Oklahoma clinic. His main clinic is in Florida. I wouldn't trust the Oklahoma clinic unless I was for sure getting Dr. Charles. The Scottsdale Institute and Dr. Friedman are also very good doctors. I've never heard of the Atlantis clinic though. Most people prefer to get their hairlines fixed first as that is what people notice the most. They leave the crown for last. They also try Finasteride or Dutasteride because it is most effective in the crown and a lot of people get enough regrowth in that area to not need a transplant. Finasteride 1.25 mg. daily Avodart 0.5 mg. daily Spironolactone 50 mg twice daily 5 mg. oral Minoxidil twice daily Biotin 1000 mcg daily Multi Vitamin daily Damn, with all the stuff you put in your hair are you like a negative NW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member richie48 Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 (edited) hi getinold Bud your estimate of 700 grafts is way out , the other guys who have commented are talking sence , get on meds to stop any further loss and start to research for a year before even contemplating a ht , if you get this wrong you will regret ever going down the ht route . 3inch x 3inch is approximatly 7.5cms x 7.5cms , just as horses12 pointed out above , thats 56cm2 , you'll need atleast 40 grafts per cm2 to look covered , 56cm2 x 40grafts per cm2 = 2240 grafts so budget for atleast 2240 grafts to cover your 3 inch x 3inch bald patch . I had 2100 grafts in 2007 with Dr Feller to cover an area similar in size to yours , so I have first hand experience of what you need , check out my two old post links below to see how meds helped , then I had a crown area like yours covered with the grafts . http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/155471-dr-feller-uk-patient-richie48-then-now-two-year-trip-meds-9-month-hair-transplant.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/136000-dr-feller-uk-patient-richie48-2100-crown-grafts-15-month-update-pics-very-slowly-getting-better-better.html http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/138494-brand-new-dr-feller-uk-patient-richie48-2100-crown-grafts-19-month-update-pics-baldy-moody-emo-grungy-surfer.html Good luck Richie Edited October 9, 2011 by richie48 2100 crown grafts Dr Feller nov 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 Agree with all of the comments and suggestions. 700 is way too low for what you want to do. Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member El Nino Posted October 9, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 9, 2011 I agree too, 700 grafts is a drop in the ocean for the crown. You really need to start looking at some World Class Surgeons too and don't try to get it done cheap with those cowboys in your first post. My Hair Loss Website - Two HTs with Dr. Rahal and SMP at HIS Hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TakingThePlunge Posted October 10, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 10, 2011 Gettinold, Dr. Shelly Friedman is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network and I highly recommend consulting with him. Click here for a complete list of our recommended physicians worldwide. To learn about our criteria for recommending physicians, click here. Best of luck! David - Former Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant I am not a medical professional. All opinions are my own and my advice should not constitute as medical advice. View my Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted October 10, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted October 10, 2011 Thank you, everyone on this site has been very helpful.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted October 10, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 10, 2011 If it helps you, look at my pictures, I'm scheduled for 4000 grafts! Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mattj Posted October 10, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted October 10, 2011 I've always found that the estimation charts give figures that are too low. This goes as much for their temple/hairline estimations as much as those for the crown. They never take into account hair strand caliber either. Due to the way hairs grow at the crown, a lot of grafts are needed for good coverage. More than most people would expect if they're used to looking at frontal restorations and the number of grafts used in them. Is there much hair remaining in your bald spot? I am a patient and representative of Dr Rahal. My FUE Procedure With Dr Rahal - Awesome Hairline Result I can be contacted for advice: matt@rahalhairline.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member gottitgood4me Posted October 10, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted October 10, 2011 I didn't know he was affiliated with that Oklahoma clinic. His main clinic is in Florida. I wouldn't trust the Oklahoma clinic unless I was for sure getting Dr. Charles. Are you talking about the OK clinic that offers the $3.00 grafts? Affordable Hair restoration? I called them and found out that a doctor in Los Angeles that is recommended on this site travels there for surgeries as well. Guess what? It is $3 per graft in OK and $4 per graft in LA with the same doctor. Please understand, Im not suggesting there is any "funny" business going on because of this. It is just another indicator that we should research and consider that some doctors may offer us discounts. As a matter of privacy, I do not want to name the LA doctor, but with some research you may be able to find out if you wanted. We all have the right to make a profit with our profession, and we all have the right to find the best deal as a consumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted December 20, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 20, 2011 Anyone have any experience with Dr. Haber? He's reasonably close to me here in Ohio, although I sent ome pictures afew weeks ago and never recieved a response. I've also been in contact with the Nuhart clinic in Chicago, but alittle leary of them because of a few things I've read. They will do it all for $6500 though, which is less than alot of places I've talked to. That's definitely more within my budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Janna Posted December 21, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2011 We know Dr. Haber well. I'd try calling or resending photos via email again. Have not heard very good things about Nuhart. Discount now may mean costly repair in the the future so be careful. Patient Care Services & UK Patient Advisor for Shapiro Medical Dr. Ron Shapiro, Dr. Paul Shapiro and Dr. David Josephitis are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. http://shapiromedical.com/info@shapiromedical.com http://shapiromedical.com/contact/request-a-consultation/janna@shapiromedical.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mp96 Posted December 21, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2011 Please listen to the advice above. Honestly, if u dont have the funds for a reputable clinic than dont even bother having this procedure. Save up the cash for a top doc and then u know it will be worth it. U dont want to gamble with this procedure,,,,! Nuhart,,,, i would run if i were you,,,,!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted December 21, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2011 If you dont mind me asking, what did some of yours run you? It seems that I have gotten estimates anywhere from below $5k to $8k...these guys seemed middle of the road, but it also seems that the estimate of grafts vary greatly from one place to the next...anywhere from 1500 to over 3000. Sooooo much varied info out there that its mind-numbing. I'd like to get this done within the next few months, but not going into it blindly either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Mp96 Posted December 21, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted December 21, 2011 Gettinold, Stay with Dr. Haber and forget Nuhart. Seriously dude it's your head if u want a future of costly repairs.. There isnt going to be much of a difference in graft count if u consult with clinics like Haber, SMG, Konier or True and D. U pick any of these u will be safe and they have yr best intrests in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted December 23, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 23, 2011 Appreciate all the great replies....still keeping an eye out. Anyone ever have any experience with Dr. Leonard Aronovitz in Michigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gettinold Posted December 26, 2011 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 26, 2011 nobody had experience with this guy or tessler, his partner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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