Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 18, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) A long story short, i had about 2700 grafts with Rahal in dec 2008, please see pre, post and one year results. So in jan 2011 i noticed my hair thining again so i contacted rahal and scheduled for next week for 1500 inculding 500 touchup , please see fotos taken today. So what do you guys think, did i lose real hair or the transplaned hair over the past 2.5 years? Do you think 1500 will be good to fill in the gaps? Thank you for your time. cheers, P P.S In terms of labelling, the pics names are accually dates so the pics that have the numbers, 2008 are pre, 2009 one year post, 2011 are taken yesterday. Edited July 19, 2011 by Petro_P ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 18, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 18, 2011 Have you been on propecia or rogaine since your surgery? I'm sure you've probably lost more native hair. Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 18, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 18, 2011 Have you been on propecia or rogaine since your surgery? I'm sure you've probably lost more native hair. No propecia or rogaine. ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Blake Bloxham Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 Petro, In my opinion, it's far more likely that you've continued losing native hairs. Is there a reason why you aren't utilizing preventive medications like minoxidil (Rogaine) and finasteride (Propecia)? Additionally, I think 1,500 grafts should sufficiently thicken the highlighted areas. Good luck! Please keep us updated on your progress. "Doc" Blake Bloxham - formerly "Future_HT_Doc" Forum Co-Moderator and Editorial Assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, the Hair Loss Learning Center, the Hair Loss Q&A Blog, and the Hair Restoration Forum All opinions are my own and my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 Yeah, you're probably losing more of your natural hair. Get on Fin ASAP. Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 As the others have stated, get on the meds and stay on them! If you are spending that kinda money on a transplant, you need to take advantage of the meds to keep your remaining native hair! Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member bonkerstonker Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 It's likely you've lost more natural hair but i have no idea what's going on with your pictures as i couldn't see any labelling. Bonkerstonker! http://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/blog/home-page.asp?WebID=1977 Update I'm now on 12200 Grafts, hair loss has been a thing of my past for years. Also I don't use minoxidil anymore I lost no hair coming off it. Reduced propecia to 1mg every other day. My surgeons were Dr Hasson x 4, Dr Wong x 2 Norton x1 I started losing my hair at 19 in 1999 I started using propecia and minoxidil in 2000 Had 7 hair transplants over 12200 grafts by way of strip but 700 were Fue From Norton in uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 19, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 (edited) It's likely you've lost more natural hair but i have no idea what's going on with your pictures as i couldn't see any labelling. Thank you guys for your comments. In terms of labelling, the pics names are accually dates so the pics that have the numbers, 2008 are pre, 2009 one year post, 2011 are taken yesterday. Edited July 19, 2011 by Petro_P ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mattj Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 The dates are within the image file names. So photos 7,8 and 9 in the sequence are from 2009. As your hair was thin overall throughout the recipient area prior to surgery, without the aid of treatments a lot of it could've been lost since then. Maybe all of it. This means that you could be left with only grafted hair in this area. Dr Rahal's recommendation of 1500 grafts will really make a difference, bringing back the density with strong hairs not undergoing miniaturization, and the result could possibly surpass the original. Best of luck next week. I am a patient and representative of Dr Rahal. My FUE Procedure With Dr Rahal - Awesome Hairline Result I can be contacted for advice: matt@rahalhairline.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 Petro Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to get in to Dr Rahal so quick? Have you had this scheduled for a long time? Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member orlhair1 Posted July 19, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 19, 2011 It does look like you continued to lose native hairs resulting in the thinning. You really should consider using fin & rogaine to slow or stop your hair loss. Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUT 6/14/11 - 3048 grafts Surgery - Dr. Ron Shapiro FUE 1/28/13 & 1/29/13 - 1513 grafts http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/orlhair1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 20, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 PetroJust out of curiosity, how did you manage to get in to Dr Rahal so quick? Have you had this scheduled for a long time? I booked it last jan 2011 for next week. ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 20, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 The dates are within the image file names. So photos 7,8 and 9 in the sequence are from 2009. As your hair was thin overall throughout the recipient area prior to surgery, without the aid of treatments a lot of it could've been lost since then. Maybe all of it. This means that you could be left with only grafted hair in this area. Dr Rahal's recommendation of 1500 grafts will really make a difference, bringing back the density with strong hairs not undergoing miniaturization, and the result could possibly surpass the original. Best of luck next week. Thank you mattj, is it common practice to implant new grafts around old grafted hairs with out damaging either? ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 I booked it last jan 2011 for next week. That makes more sense ! Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mattj Posted July 20, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2011 Thank you mattj, is it common practice to implant new grafts around old grafted hairs with out damaging either? It's definitely common practice. I see from your photos that you had grafts planted around native hairs during your first procedure. (This is also common practice.) Those hairs were undamaged, they grew back, but went on to be lost due to the continuation of the balding process. Planting new grafts around existing ones is actually considered safer overall as the hairs already present come from outside of the balding area, making them stronger than hairs that are facing the effects of androgenic alopecia. As you'll know, Dr Rahal is very careful and uses magnification, so actually causing direct harm to grafts is not something you need to worry about. I am a patient and representative of Dr Rahal. My FUE Procedure With Dr Rahal - Awesome Hairline Result I can be contacted for advice: matt@rahalhairline.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 21, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2011 It's definitely common practice. I see from your photos that you had grafts planted around native hairs during your first procedure. (This is also common practice.) Those hairs were undamaged, they grew back, but went on to be lost due to the continuation of the balding process. Planting new grafts around existing ones is actually considered safer overall as the hairs already present come from outside of the balding area, making them stronger than hairs that are facing the effects of androgenic alopecia. As you'll know, Dr Rahal is very careful and uses magnification, so actually causing direct harm to grafts is not something you need to worry about. Thank you mattj, i can sleep better at night now. ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member corvettester Posted July 23, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) Yes, I'd say that 1,500 grafts will complete or reestablish what you lost. Good luck with that. Dr. Rahal will take care of you nicely. Definitely get back on the meds to prevent further loss. Corvettester Edited September 19, 2011 by corvettester My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Dorin 1,696 FUT with Dr. Dorin on October 18, 2010. 1,305 FUT with Dr. Dorin on August 10, 2011. 565 FUE with Dr. Dorin on September 14, 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NEWHAIRPLEASE Posted July 23, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 23, 2011 Yes 1500 will help a lot. Get back on meds Newhairplease!! Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:) 4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads My Hairloss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 26, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 26, 2011 So i saw Dr. Rahal today and we agreed on 2000+ grafts. Wish me luck guys for my surgery tomorrow as i hope it it will be my last for long a time. Speak in few days. P ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member NeedAdjusting Posted July 27, 2011 Regular Member Share Posted July 27, 2011 Good luck Petro, let us know how it goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted July 29, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) I ended up having around 2300 grafts inculding around 600 touchups. Please find post op pic below. Everything went great from start to finish, looking forward for the next few months. will keep you guys updated. Edited July 29, 2011 by Petro_P ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mattj Posted July 29, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted July 29, 2011 A good thing about this second procedure is that as the grafts have been planted among those already existing, once those old grafts grow back you'll soon return to looking how you did pre-op; and those hairs will hide the newly sprouting grafts, covering them during the time when they offer the least cosmetic benefit. In other words, you'll probably find the post-op 'doldrums' phase easier this time, with your hair gradually thickening up. It should all come together nicely. This should be a very dense result. I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. Here's to good growth - and to early growth! I am a patient and representative of Dr Rahal. My FUE Procedure With Dr Rahal - Awesome Hairline Result I can be contacted for advice: matt@rahalhairline.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted September 1, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 1, 2011 So far most of the transplanted hair has fallen, i think. ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HARIRI Posted September 1, 2011 Senior Member Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thats a great scar Petro.. So thin. Wish mine was like that. I advice to shave your head to look better and start grow you hair after 4 months. Plug removal + Strip scar revision - Dr. Ali Karadeniz (AEK)- May 23, 2015 Plug removal + 250 FUE temple points- Dr. Hakan Doganay (AHD)- July 3, 2013 Scar Tricopigmentation- Dr. Koray Erdogan (ASMED)- May 3, 2013 2500 FUT (Hairline Repair)- Dr. Rahal- July 26, 2011 My Hair Treatments: 1- Alpecin Double Effect Shampoo (Daily) 2- Regaine Solution Minoxidil 5% (2 ml once a day) 3- GNC Ultra NourishHair™ (Once a day) 4- GNC Herbal Plus Standardized Saw Palmetto (Once a day) My Rahal HT thread http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/164456-2500-fut-dr-rahal-hairline-repair.html[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Petro_P Posted September 1, 2011 Author Regular Member Share Posted September 1, 2011 Thats a great scar Petro.. So thin. Wish mine was like that. I advice to shave your head to look better and start grow you hair after 4 months. Thanks hariri, but that is the old scar, i hope the new one will be the same! I will cut my hair this weekend, yah i really need a haircut. ----------------------------------- Dr. Rahal 2745 grafts (3-Dec-08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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