Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well guys, I went with another HT today. The purpose of this one was to fill in with a little more density. As many of you know I have been thinking about doing this for a while. Here are the details; I went to Dr. Keene again. She is really a fine surgeon with vast amounts of experience and knowledge. I received 1000 grafts. One thousand you say? By today's standards that is miniscule. Well, yes and no. I have my reasons. 1) That's a total of 3700 grafts in the front half of my head (my previous HT was 2700). I really don't want to use any more precious grafts or spend any more money on that part of my head. 2) Also, my laxity is good but not great and my density is a little below average. I don't like over taxing my scalp. So I'm conservative - so what? 3) I really didn't need a whole bunch more grafts in the area. I looked pretty good, just needed a little extra. 4) 1000 grafts has many meanings. By that I mean grafts and hair counts can vary dramatically. We used many combined FU's and some naturally occuring double FU's. The result is close to 3000 hairs, as opposed to the average 2.2 hairs per graft, which would have resulted in 2200 hairs. Then if you consider doctors who place mostly 1 and 2 hair grafts, this is more like 2000 of those. 5) Lastly, recovery is much easier from a small procedure. I could tell right away that this one is much easier than the first. I'll post pictures when I get a chance. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 9, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well guys, I went with another HT today. The purpose of this one was to fill in with a little more density. As many of you know I have been thinking about doing this for a while. Here are the details; I went to Dr. Keene again. She is really a fine surgeon with vast amounts of experience and knowledge. I received 1000 grafts. One thousand you say? By today's standards that is miniscule. Well, yes and no. I have my reasons. 1) That's a total of 3700 grafts in the front half of my head (my previous HT was 2700). I really don't want to use any more precious grafts or spend any more money on that part of my head. 2) Also, my laxity is good but not great and my density is a little below average. I don't like over taxing my scalp. So I'm conservative - so what? 3) I really didn't need a whole bunch more grafts in the area. I looked pretty good, just needed a little extra. 4) 1000 grafts has many meanings. By that I mean grafts and hair counts can vary dramatically. We used many combined FU's and some naturally occuring double FU's. The result is close to 3000 hairs, as opposed to the average 2.2 hairs per graft, which would have resulted in 2200 hairs. Then if you consider doctors who place mostly 1 and 2 hair grafts, this is more like 2000 of those. 5) Lastly, recovery is much easier from a small procedure. I could tell right away that this one is much easier than the first. I'll post pictures when I get a chance. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Gorpy, Hey...congratulations on the 2nd HT bro. If 1000 grafts is what you wanted, then don't let anyone tell you differently. 1000 grafts aka 3000 hairs should add some more density in the front, and depending on what the doctor did, should help refine the hairline some as well. I'll be looking forward to seeing your pictures! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member MikeSf Posted February 9, 2007 Regular Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hey Gorpy.. Congrats on the new HT procedure. From my conversation with Dr Keene, she is really tops in her knowledge and professionalism. She personally called me after my inquiry, as opposed to a sales consultant, assistant etc. She answered questions, responded to emails and seems like she has it together. Most important, she turns out superb work...the most obvious reason you are going back to her again. She may be a bit more conservative in terms of graft/donor/density placement, no? But this is NOT a bad thing per se. Looking forward to seeing your results and hearing your happy outcome. Mike SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member John_in_NC Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 extremely smart move. Too many grafts would have unwanted attracted attention to the hair anyway. You want to be seen as the guy with very good hair, not the odd one with Ronald Reagan hair. Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Eman Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 I want to be seen as the odd one with RR hair !! PLLLLEEEAAAASSSE Gorpy, I thought you looked great after the one HT...that hair greed thing seems to get the best of us (I know, for you its just a refinement). My initial HT thread: done and done!! Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairbank Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Gorpy- You sly devil you..... . I knew from your posts you were contemplating but to keep us out of the picture 'til you're done..........shame on you! Hey.......congrats to you. I think what you did with the 1000 grafts will accomplish your goals. You're crown has held on for you so you really just needed more density in front. From your pics, I think your face is nicely framed at the temples and the hairline looks good.....more density is never a bad that. I have a question for you.................how many grafts per sq cm was Dr. Keene able to boost you to without shaving the recipient site (or did she shave it?)?? I'm very curious as I, too, have thought about densing up my frontal 1/3 along with having a little hairline/widows peak/temple work done, but I'd really like to know what kind of density can be achieved without shaving down?? I'm very curious about this, my friend. Well done...........I look forward to seeing the pics as you have time to post them. Hairbank 1st HT 1-18-05 - 1200 FUT's 2nd HT 2-15-06 - 3886 FUT's Dr. Wong 3rd HT 4-24-08 - 2415 FUT's Dr. Wong GRAND TOTAL: 7501 GRAFTS current regimen: 1.25mg finasteride every other day My Hair Loss Weblog Disclaimer: I'm not a Doctor (and have never played one on TV ) and have no medical training. Any information I share here is in an effort to help those who don't like hair loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member the B spot Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 It's not the size.............. Good for you Gorpy!!!! You have been a mainstay here for quite awhile now, and if you feel you need a 1000 grafts or so to refine your look, then by all means, bully for you!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us. Good Luck and Happy Growing!!!! Go Cubs! 6721 transplanted grafts 13,906 hairs Performed by Dr. Ron Shapiro Dr. Ron Shapiro and Dr. Paul Shapiro are members of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HK500 Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Nice going Gorpy, sounds like this last HT was fairly similar to my situation. I am hoping to see your pics soon. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Siporin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairbank Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Originally posted by hairbank:Gorpy- You sly devil you..... . I knew from your posts you were contemplating but to keep us out of the picture 'til you're done..........shame on you! Hey.......congrats to you. I think what you did with the 1000 grafts will accomplish your goals. You're crown has held on for you so you really just needed more density in front. From your pics, I think your face is nicely framed at the temples and the hairline looks good.....more density is never a bad thing. I have a question for you.................how many grafts per sq cm was Dr. Keene able to boost you to without shaving the recipient site (or did she shave it?)?? I'm very curious as I, too, have thought about densing up my frontal 1/3 along with having a little hairline/widows peak/temple work done, but I'd really like to know what kind of density can be achieved without shaving down?? I'm very curious about this, my friend. Well done...........I look forward to seeing the pics as you have time to post them. Oops! That's what I get for trying to edit my poor spelling on a previous post........sorry for the dup, fellas! Hairbank 1st HT 1-18-05 - 1200 FUT's 2nd HT 2-15-06 - 3886 FUT's Dr. Wong 3rd HT 4-24-08 - 2415 FUT's Dr. Wong GRAND TOTAL: 7501 GRAFTS current regimen: 1.25mg finasteride every other day My Hair Loss Weblog Disclaimer: I'm not a Doctor (and have never played one on TV ) and have no medical training. Any information I share here is in an effort to help those who don't like hair loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 9, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 First of all, thanks to all of you for your support. It REALLY does make a difference. Eman, in my case, I wouldn't really call it hair greed. I'll post some pics to show why I think I needed this to get where I wanted. Bank, I actually didn't ask Dr. Keene about the density per cm2. We just discussed the strategy of where to place them. Plus, as I mentioned before, density is also relative to the number of hairs. HOWEVER, my Spidey like Sense allowed me to estimate graft density , I think it was about 25 per cm2 in some areas, less in others - keeping in mind that it was just to fill in areas that needed it most. Dr. Keene can certainly go at a higher density than that, even without shaving the recipient area. I don't want to start a war here guys, but Dr. Keene does not agree that shaving or buzzing the head allows for better determination of the true exit angle of the hair. She lectures on it regularly to the medical community. If you have technical questions as to her reasoning, I suggest you ask her. I won't pretend to know all of the technical details. Just keep in mind that doctors do not agree on everything. BTW - Dr. Keene is the Chairperson of the ISHRS convention this fall in Vegas. Also - since this was a small procedure Dr. Keene and I had a great conversation for a couple of hours during the procedure. At first she is busy counting grafts and incisions so she can't talk much, but after that, while SHE was meticulously placing the grafts we were able to discuss every thing from cloning to lateral slits. P.S. I'm on drugs right now, so please excuse any typos or garbled sentences ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You Go Gorpy! I am jealous now! As you know I am considering a HTP with Dr.Keene. I have been doing my resaerch with the help of this great forum. I live in Az but wasn't convinced on going to Dr.Keene. Her pic's don't seem to be as dramatic as let's say Dr. Hasson's pic's. In fact some of Dr. Hassons results seem a bit unbelievable. Please keep us posted as to your progress. Keep on Growin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member nobuzz4me Posted February 9, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Gorpy, Congratulations on HT2! Who here would not want 1000 more grafts??? It will make a difference. I think you are wise not to tax the scalp, too much tension is tough on the grafts and the closure. I think it may tend to reduces the shockloss as well. I never had any that I can tell. JMO - I am no expert. I chose the conservative route like you as well. I do not look good bald, so buzzing my hair was not an option for me, therefore, I chose a doc who would not require it. Love to see the pics, heal fast my friend! NoBuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 9, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2007 Here's a couple of pics showing why I wanted some more. Notice the slight see through of the temple and behind area. The second one shows how the center line is pretty good, but the temple areas and behind could his some thickness. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 10, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 And here's the result of ht 2. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 10, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 And another. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member NervousNelly Posted February 10, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 Glad for you Gorpy. I personally believe that 1000 grafts will make a hell of a difference especially averaging 3000 hairs. I have followed your progress with 1st HT and thought that Dr. Keene did an awesome job. It is easy for the surgeon to just start placing grafts but she framed your face well and provided a very natural look for your age and hair texture. Can't wait to see the finished product. Keep us posted. NN Dr.Cole,1989. ??graftcount Dr. Ron Shapiro. Aug., 2007 Total graft count 2862 Total hairs 5495 1hairs--916 2hairs--1349 3hairs--507 4hairs--90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 10, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 Thanks Nervous, I'm hoping there is minimal shock loss as well. It certainly feels better than last time and seems to be healing quickly. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member hairbank Posted February 10, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 Hey Gorpy, The work looks great. It appears all the grafts were placed in the temples and frontal 1/3, correct? Also, Dr. Keene didn't require you to shave down, correct? It looks like your hair is just wet where the grafts were placed but I wanted to make sure. I'll be anxious to follow the progess..........happy healing and growing! Hairbank 1st HT 1-18-05 - 1200 FUT's 2nd HT 2-15-06 - 3886 FUT's Dr. Wong 3rd HT 4-24-08 - 2415 FUT's Dr. Wong GRAND TOTAL: 7501 GRAFTS current regimen: 1.25mg finasteride every other day My Hair Loss Weblog Disclaimer: I'm not a Doctor (and have never played one on TV ) and have no medical training. Any information I share here is in an effort to help those who don't like hair loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 10, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2007 That's correct Bank. The grafts were placed in the temples and frontal 3rd. The hair is not cut. My existing hair is just wet and nappy, it's kind of hard to see. They were constantly spraying it with what I think was Saline solution during the procedure. ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Gorpy, Pics look great man! I'm sure once it all grows in, that will give you some extre density and a more refined hairline as well! Happy growing (and waiting...) Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HK500 Posted February 11, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 11, 2007 Gorpy, Thanks for posting your most recent pictures. Your case is very similar to mine, I also just got a small HT and I was looking for a bit of refining and added density. You look very good and the results will be great, it's nice for me to see such a similar situation. My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Siporin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gorpy Posted February 13, 2007 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 13, 2007 Hi HK, After looking at your blog, I see what you mean. I look forward to watching your progress. Your transplant looks good! ____________ 2700 Total Grafts w/ Keene 9/28/05 663 one's = 663 1116 two's = 2232 721 three's = 2163 200 four's = 800 Hair Count = 5858 1000 Total Grafts w/Keene 2/08/07 Mostly combined FU's for 2600+ hairs My Photo Album See me at Dr. Keene's Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Bushy Posted February 13, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 13, 2007 It really looks great, Gorpy. Really. Dr. Keene makes some of the most natural hairlines around. Continued good luck! ____________________________________ My blog. HT1: 4063 grafts by Dr. Hasson, 12/9/03 HT2: 3537 grafts by Dr. Hasson, 5/15/06 Total grafts: 7,600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MrJobi Posted February 14, 2007 Senior Member Share Posted February 14, 2007 Congrats Gorpy I had 1400 my first & 1476 the 2nd.. My scalp was really tight the 2nd time so I cannot see how any doc could safely take more skin out.. I am going for my 3rd and my doc ( Dr. True) said we will do as many as we can SAFELY.. No sense in making a wider scar due to tension.. I like the conservative approach as it allows me to adjust to my needs as I age.. another 1400-2000 should make a big difference Good luck JOBI 1417 FUT - Dr. True 1476 FUT - Dr. True 2124 FUT - Dr. True 604 FUE - Dr. True My views are based on my personal experiences, research and objective observations. I am not a doctor. Total - 5621 FU's uncut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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